Derange and Camarilla Titles
Christoph Scherer
most probably this question has already been answered some time, but
anyhow...
what happens if Derange is played on a vampire with a camarilla title? Can a
!Malk be a Prince, or even the Toreador Justicar?
thx in advance...
cs
Reyda
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no
a titled camarilla vampire under the effect of derange yields his title
immediatly. He is considered Sabbat (malk antitribu) and now can't call
camarilla only referendums, nor play Tradition cards. If you put it on a
justicar, you can really screw your target's deck. If the Derange is burned,
he regains his old title cause he is no more Sabbat.
Halcyan 2
>>
>> most probably this question has already been answered some time, but
>> anyhow...
>> what happens if Derange is played on a vampire with a camarilla title? Can
>a
>> !Malk be a Prince, or even the Toreador Justicar?
>>
>> thx in advance...
>> cs
>
>no
>a titled camarilla vampire under the effect of derange yields his title
>immediatly. He is considered Sabbat (malk antitribu) and now can't call
>camarilla only referendums, nor play Tradition cards. If you put it on a
>justicar, you can really screw your target's deck. If the Derange is burned,
>he regains his old title cause he is no more Sabbat.
Yeah. Titles like Primogen, Prince, Justicar, and also Inner Circle are tied to
the sect of the vampire. So when you get Deranged, unless you also have a Writ
of Acceptance, you become Sabbat and lose your title. And as Reyda said, if you
become Cam again (i.e. by moving the Derange), you regain your title UNLESS it
was contested during your vampire's time of Sabbat-ness. If a different vampire
acquires that same title while your originally titled vampire is Sabbat, then
your vampire immediately yields so when he returns to the Cam, he finds he no
longer has a title.
Halcyan 2
The Lasombra
"Christoph Scherer" <csch...@frankfurt.fcb.com> wrote:
> what happens if Derange is played on a vampire with
> a camarilla title?
The victim loses the effects of the title and can't play cards
requiring their title until the cease to be Malkavian Antitribu.
> Can a !Malk be a Prince, or even the Toreador Justicar?
No.
Unless they have a Writ of Acceptance, any Malkavian Antitribu
will be Sabbat by default, and cannot be a Prince, Primogen,
Inner Circle, or clan specific Justicar.
This is answered in section 10 of the Sabbat War rulebook,
quoted here:
"A vampire must belong to the appropriate sect to receive a
title. If a vampire with a title changes clans or sects to a clan
or sect inappropriate for his title, he loses the benefit of the
title until his clan or sect changes appropriately. "
http://lasombra.tripod.com/rulebook.htm#10
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Alf Behrends
tied to
> the sect of the vampire. So when you get Deranged, unless you also have a
Writ
> of Acceptance, you become Sabbat and lose your title. And as Reyda said,
if you
> become Cam again (i.e. by moving the Derange), you regain your title
UNLESS it
> was contested during your vampire's time of Sabbat-ness. If a different
vampire
> acquires that same title while your originally titled vampire is Sabbat,
then
> your vampire immediately yields so when he returns to the Cam, he finds he
no
> longer has a title.
Do you have a qoute for that ruling?
Alf
LSJ
Rulebook, section 10.
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Tim Eijpe
Kooks 'n Crooks deck. As I had enough pressure on him early on he only
had 2 vampires out of which the Justicar was Deranged 4 times over the
game. Pretty much an easy ride. So yet another easy counter to the ToGP
decks!
Tim
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