Question for Jon.
Steve Bucy
Hi Jon,
Don't mean to start off with a nasty question, but this one came up on
Friday so...
Anson has only one blood left. He does a bleed action with Legal
Manipulations for +2 bleed. Before a block is announced the guy with
Anson decides to play Aire of Elation to get rid of the card. What
happens now since Anson has to pay for the Aire of Elation immediately
and can no longer pay for the Legal Manip.
1.) Does the action continue with Anson bleeding at 4. Or
2.) Does the action fizzle (since the action card is gone) leaving Anson
sitting there with no blood. Or
3.) Does the action continue unless it was directed at someone besides
your prey (using Legal Manip) in which case it would fizzle.
We had a unconclusive debat about this one. Please help us out.
Steve Bucy
L. Scott Johnson
Steve Bucy <tb...@lainet.com> writes:
>Hi Jon,
Well, since Jon hasn't been around since his initial post five days ago
(including two full would-be "working" days), I hope you won't mind if
I field this one instead....
(sigh)
>Anson has only one blood left. He does a bleed action with Legal
>Manipulations for +2 bleed. Before a block is announced the guy with
>Anson decides to play Aire of Elation to get rid of the card. What
>happens now since Anson has to pay for the Aire of Elation immediately
>and can no longer pay for the Legal Manip.
>1.) Does the action continue with Anson bleeding at 4. Or
>2.) Does the action fizzle (since the action card is gone) leaving Anson
>sitting there with no blood. Or
>3.) Does the action continue unless it was directed at someone besides
>your prey (using Legal Manip) in which case it would fizzle.
2) is correct.
If you cannot pay the cost of an action when that action is to be
resolved (after all block attempts/reactions/action modifiers), then
the action fizzles and no effect is produced. This was answered in
the specific case of equipping with a palatial estate (a 2-blood cost)
with the acting vampire having only 1 blood when it came time to resolve
the action. [TOM 951215]
Note that you still cannot attempt an action if you don't have the blood
necessary to pay for the action at the time the action is announced.
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Dave Green
Steve Bucy (tb...@lainet.com) wrote:
: Anson has only one blood left. He does a bleed action with Legal
: Manipulations for +2 bleed. Before a block is announced the guy with
: Anson decides to play Aire of Elation to get rid of the card. What
: happens now since Anson has to pay for the Aire of Elation immediately
: and can no longer pay for the Legal Manip.
Seems to me that Anson should have paid for the Legal Manip.
when he declared the action, so he wouldn't have the blood to
play Aire of Elation at all. In the case the action is
blocked, he would get the LM blood back to use in combat. This
is how we play here, anyway. I don't know if that is the
official interpretation, but it fits the rules as they are
printed, and works, too.
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for all those useless cards
Steve Bucy
dc...@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Dave
Officially Anson doesn't have to pay for
the action until it is successful.
Steve Bucy
Danny Oscar Kip
: : Anson has only one blood left. He does a bleed action with Legal
: : Manipulations for +2 bleed. Before a block is announced the guy with
: : Anson decides to play Aire of Elation to get rid of the card. What
: : happens now since Anson has to pay for the Aire of Elation immediately
: : and can no longer pay for the Legal Manip.
: Seems to me that Anson should have paid for the Legal Manip.
: when he declared the action, so he wouldn't have the blood to
: play Aire of Elation at all. In the case the action is
: blocked, he would get the LM blood back to use in combat. This
: is how we play here, anyway. I don't know if that is the
: official interpretation, but it fits the rules as they are
: printed, and works, too.
I agree, that's sortof how we play it here as well, except we don't physically
take the blood off till we are sure it goes off (lazy buggers we are ;)
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>Dave Green (dc...@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
>: Steve Bucy (tb...@lainet.com) wrote:
>
>: : Anson has only one blood left. He does a bleed action with Legal
>: : Manipulations for +2 bleed. Before a block is announced the guy with
>: : Anson decides to play Aire of Elation to get rid of the card. What
>: : happens now since Anson has to pay for the Aire of Elation immediately
>: : and can no longer pay for the Legal Manip.
>
>: Seems to me that Anson should have paid for the Legal Manip.
>: when he declared the action, so he wouldn't have the blood to
>: play Aire of Elation at all. In the case the action is
>: blocked, he would get the LM blood back to use in combat. This
>: is how we play here, anyway. I don't know if that is the
>: official interpretation, but it fits the rules as they are
>: printed, and works, too.
>
>I agree, that's sortof how we play it here as well, except we don't physically
>take the blood off till we are sure it goes off (lazy buggers we are ;)
The rules state you don't pay for a action
until it is successful. When you are lazy
you are doing it right...
Steve Bucy