(LSJ) Shango Remains / Psyche!
floppyzedolfin
Here are a couple of questions about Psyche!, related to the Assamite
Reliquary.
1/ Is it possible to use the Reliquary: Shango Remains after a combat,
in order to draw a Psyche! and play it ?
2/ Is it possible to use the Reliquary: Shango Remains after the
opponent played Psyche!, in order to draw an Obedience ?
Thanks !
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Cardtexts :
Psyche! -- Type: Combat -- Discipline: Celerity -- Cost: None --
Text:
[cel] Press.
[CEL] Only usable at the end of combat when both combatants are still
ready. Begin another combat with the opposing minion.
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Reliquary: Shango Remains -- Type: Equipment -- Clan: Assamite --
Cost: None --
Text: Equipment.
Choose an Assamite in your ash heap or burn 1 pool to choose an
Assamite in your uncontrolled region. Remove that Assamite from the
game or burn this reliquary. Once per turn, if this Assamite is ready,
he or she may burn 1 blood to give you +2 hand size for the remainder
of the turn; this ability cannot be used during combat.
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Obedience -- Type: Reaction -- Discipline: Dominate -- Cost: None --
Text: Only usable when this reacting vampire is about to enter combat
with an acting younger vampire.
[dom] Untap the acting vampire, do not tap this reacting vampire, and
end the current action (and combat). The acting vampire cannot attempt
the same action this turn.
[DOM] As above, but do not untap the acting vampire.
LSJ
> Hello,
>
> Here are a couple of questions about Psyche!, related to the Assamite
> Reliquary.
>
> 1/ Is it possible to use the Reliquary: Shango Remains after a combat,
> in order to draw a Psyche! and play it ?
No. Psyche! has an earlier timing window.
> 2/ Is it possible to use the Reliquary: Shango Remains after the
> opponent played Psyche!, in order to draw an Obedience ?
Yes.
Orpheus
> floppyzedolfin wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Here are a couple of questions about Psyche!, related to the Assamite
>> Reliquary.
>>
>> 1/ Is it possible to use the Reliquary: Shango Remains after a
>> combat, in order to draw a Psyche! and play it ?
>
> No. Psyche! has an earlier timing window.
>
>> 2/ Is it possible to use the Reliquary: Shango Remains after the
>> opponent played Psyche!, in order to draw an Obedience ?
>
> Yes.
Why is that ? When Psyche is played, aren't we right away in a new combat ?
In which case Shango shouldn't be usable... ?
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Orpheus
LSJ
> LSJ wrote:
>> floppyzedolfin wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Here are a couple of questions about Psyche!, related to the Assamite
>>> Reliquary.
>>>
>>> 1/ Is it possible to use the Reliquary: Shango Remains after a
>>> combat, in order to draw a Psyche! and play it ?
>> No. Psyche! has an earlier timing window.
>>
>>> 2/ Is it possible to use the Reliquary: Shango Remains after the
>>> opponent played Psyche!, in order to draw an Obedience ?
>> Yes.
>
> Why is that ? When Psyche is played, aren't we right away in a new combat ?
No.
Obedience can still be played, for example.
Chris Berger
So, Shango Remains can be played as an "interrupt" then?
LSJ
No, but it can be tapped once combat had ended, like Obedience can be.
Robert Scythe
> >> Obedience can still be played, for example.
>
> > So, Shango Remains can be played as an "interrupt" then?
>
> No, but it can be tapped once combat had ended, like Obedience can be.
Do you mean by 'tapped' that its effect can be used, since neither
R:SR nor Obedience actually 'tap' as far as V:TES terms are concerned?
Now the real question since I cannot seem to find the relevant
clarifications:
How is it that Psyche! has a timing window that will not allow R:SR to
be used to find and play it? Psyche! is played after the combat
(meaning you downsize from an Aura Reading and can replace DNR till
after combat cards, etc.) and R:SR's restriction is "this ability
cannot be used during combat". If you can use R:SR after someone has
played a Psyche! to find an Obedience, why can you not use R:SR after
a combat is over to increase your handsize and find a Psyche! with
which to play?
LSJ
> How is it that Psyche! has a timing window that will not allow R:SR to
> be used to find and play it? Psyche! is played after the combat
> (meaning you downsize from an Aura Reading and can replace DNR till
> after combat cards, etc.) and R:SR's restriction is "this ability
> cannot be used during combat". If you can use R:SR after someone has
> played a Psyche! to find an Obedience, why can you not use R:SR after
> a combat is over to increase your handsize and find a Psyche! with
> which to play?
Because Psyche! (and Coordinated Attacks) are "magic" -- they are combat cards
that are played at the end of combat. Not quite in combat and not quite after.
That's why a blocker's Psyche! gets to be played before the acting controller's
Hidden Lurker, for example.
librarian
Ahh, the "magic" of card text...
best -
chris
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Robert Scythe
> Because Psyche! (and Coordinated Attacks) are "magic" -- they are combat cards
> that are played at the end of combat. Not quite in combat and not quite after.
>
> That's why a blocker's Psyche! gets to be played before the acting controller's
> Hidden Lurker, for example.
"Magic" huh. Well, to go with that, would Haven Hunting's effect be
considered a "magic" effect as well? Before the acting players HL and
the such? Or does this "magic" category only apply to combat cards
(not effects) that can be played at the end of combat? Though it seems
that there may be some effects that can happen during this "magic"
window.
LSJ
Haven Hunting shares the window used by Hidden Lurker and Fast Reaction.
bwross
> Or does this "magic" category only apply to combat cards
> (not effects) that can be played at the end of combat? Though it seems
> that there may be some effects that can happen during this "magic"
> window.
Yep, the magic seems to be things that are played during combat.
Psyche is a combat card and can only be played during combat,
therefore it must get played and immediately resolved on the "magic"
combat side of the end-of-combat line. Things that are not useable
during combat (reactions, action modifiers, Shango Remains) have to
wait until the other side of the line because they can't be played
until then.
I'm guessing that Haven Hunting has to wait for the other side of the
line because it doesn't have the prerogative of having to trigger and
be resolved during combat. It waits because it can wait. Psyche
cannot.
Brent Ross