question for rulemongers

[Rob Bush]

Last night, we were playing and a rules question came up that we couldn't find an answer
to. I'd appreciate it if anyone could help us out.

The situation- Renegade garou armed with Ivory Bow and a Hawg maneuvers to long, hits
vampire (causing aggravated damage) and sends the Kindred to torpor.

The Question - Can the garou use his additional strike once the vampire is in torpor to
do more aggro, possibly burning the vamp? Can he press once a vamp goes to torpor and
continue to pound the snot out of his lifeless body?

When the player tried this, everyone in the group said, "No, gangrel-boy, sending a vamp
to torpor ends combat." He disagreed, and challenged us to find it in the rule book.
Well, we were unable to find any definitive ruling, and we got into one of those classic
discussions about how "if he's lying there in torpor right at my feet, why CAN'T I chew
on his head?!" and so on.

If any of you rules gurus (not Garous!) can point me to an official ruling that supports
either argument, I'll consider it a major boon! Really, it was degenerating to the level
of "well when he goes to torpor, the Methuselah shows up, backs the garou down and
whisks him off to his haven" (!) Please help!!!

(BTW- has anyone else noticed that when disputing rules V:tES players refer to V:tM as
"the real world"?

As in: "in the REAL WORLD, Rotschreck would mean that just as you pulled the trigger on
your flamethrower, you realized that you had a backpack full of napalm. That freaked you
out so much, you went into torpor."

Am I the only one who finds that kinda weird? ;)

Drink Deeply,

R.Bush

[The Corrupter]

On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Rob Bush wrote:

> The Question - Can the garou use his additional strike once the
> vampire is in torpor to do more aggro, possibly burning the vamp? Can
> he press once a vamp goes to torpor and continue to pound the snot out
> of his lifeless body?

No. Once a vampire goes to torpor, combat ends.

You might need LSJ for a reference...

> (BTW- has anyone else noticed that when disputing rules V:tES players
> refer to V:tM as "the real world"?
>
> As in: "in the REAL WORLD, Rotschreck would mean that just as you
> pulled the trigger on your flamethrower, you realized that you had a
> backpack full of napalm. That freaked you out so much, you went into
> torpor."

> Am I the only one who finds that kinda weird? ;)

No. I find it kind of weird, but I catch myself doing it constantly. :)

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[Shawn F. Carnes]

Rob Bush wrote:

> The situation- Renegade garou armed with Ivory Bow and a Hawg maneuvers to long, hits
> vampire (causing aggravated damage) and sends the Kindred to torpor.
>

> The Question - Can the garou use his additional strike once the vampire is in torpor to
> do more aggro, possibly burning the vamp? Can he press once a vamp goes to torpor and
> continue to pound the snot out of his lifeless body?

OFFICIAL: The moment a vampire goes to torpor, combat is over. Any
additional strikes a minion may have had are ignored. Hope it helps!

--Shawn F. Carnes
Game Designer and Developer, Wizards of the Coast, Inc
WotC NetRep for rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad
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[L. Scott Johnson]

The Corrupter <sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu> writes:

>On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Rob Bush wrote:

>> The Question - Can the garou use his additional strike once the
>> vampire is in torpor to do more aggro, possibly burning the vamp? Can
>> he press once a vamp goes to torpor and continue to pound the snot out
>> of his lifeless body?

>No. Once a vampire goes to torpor, combat ends.

>You might need LSJ for a reference...

I live only to quote:

Subject: Re: Newbie Questions
From: aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie)
Date: 1995/11/17
Message-Id: <48hrir$7...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>

>6) Agg. Damage: I do aggrevated damage. During strike, I hit. Opponent
>takes aggrevated damage. Can I now take additional strikes? Additional
>Presses?

No, and no. Combat ends during strike resolution.

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