Bauble continued
Michael
Aggravated damage - Thanks
Bauble - another question...
>===== Original Message From LSJ <vte...@MailAndNews.com> =====
>>++++++++++
>>A Mind Rape'd minion receives Vicissitude the turn it is picked up by the
>>MR'ing player. The player then has the minion play Bauble:
>> [...]
>>When the minion (now weapon) is handed back to the original player, who
>>controls the option to remove the Bauble card? The minion's controller or
>>the
>>player who played the Bauble?
>
>"you" - the controller of the Bauble card, which is the controller of the
>minion the Bauble card is on, since Bauble is a minion card [1.6.3]
>
That doesn't seem to follow the same pattern on minion cards like Seeds of
Corruption. Even though I played it, if I am removed from the table, it
stays
on the table because it is controlled by the minion (whether it wants it or
not).
I had thought the card would be under the control of the minion it was on
rather than the individual player who played the card. So if "I" still
control the card, I would effectively hamstring an opponent's minion until I
decide to release it or I am removed from the table?
Bauble - Vicissitude - Action - 2 Blood cost
Text: (i) +1 stealth action. Put this card on the acting vampire. Search
your
library and put a non-unique, non-location equipment card on another minion
you control. Do not pay the cost to equip. The vampire with this card cannot
take actions, block, or vote. You may burn this card and the chosen
equipment
card during your untap phase or when the vampire with the chosen equipment
leaves the controlled region. (S) As above, but you may burn this card and
the
chosen equipment at any time.
Additionally, the cards states the effect of Bauble is burned at inferior
during your Untap phase or when the affected vampire leaves the controlled
region. I am assuming that there is no choice on the leaving controlled
region clause. If the minion is Banished, then if/when it reappears, it is
no
longer Bauble'd. Correct?
Michael Eichler
Prince of Ramstein
Joe Churchill
>
>Bauble - Vicissitude - Action - 2 Blood cost
>Text: (i) +1 stealth action. Put this card on the acting vampire. Search
>your
>library and put a non-unique, non-location equipment card on another minion
>you control. Do not pay the cost to equip. The vampire with this card cannot
>take actions, block, or vote. You may burn this card and the chosen
>equipment
>card during your untap phase or when the vampire with the chosen equipment
>leaves the controlled region. (S) As above, but you may burn this card and
>the
>chosen equipment at any time.
>
>Additionally, the cards states the effect of Bauble is burned at inferior
>during your Untap phase or when the affected vampire leaves the controlled
>region. I am assuming that there is no choice on the leaving controlled
>region clause.
Incorrect the Baubled vampire 'may burn this card and the chosen equipment' it's
not required that the vampire burn the bauble and equipment ever.
>If the minion is Banished, then if/when it reappears, it is no longer >Bauble'd. Correct?
He should still be baubled as it's a minion card i believe.
Joe Churchill
Editor: Tzimisce Clan Newsletter
www.warghoul.com
Michael
It just seems a little odd and definitely evil that the Bauble effect could
be
used against another player if their minion is temporarily stolen via Mind
Rape and they can not remove it by any means as the card is controlled by
the
person who played the card. Or at least that is how I read LSJ's return
message.
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LSJ
>It just seems a little odd and definitely evil that the Bauble effect could
>be
>used against another player if their minion is temporarily stolen via Mind
>Rape and they can not remove it by any means as the card is controlled by
>the
>person who played the card. Or at least that is how I read LSJ's return
>message.
As stated in my return message, the Bauble card is controlled by the
controller
of the minion it is on. This follows from the rulebook section that I cited
in my original return message: [1.6.3], quoted here: "By default, a minion
card ... is controlled by the controller of the minion it is on."
Therefore it can be burned by the controller of the minion it is on, per
card text and rulebook rules.
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LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
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