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Richard Labrecque, aka Khaleph Alendis

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Jul 26, 2001, 12:03:18 PM7/26/01
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I would like to have a confirmation that if I play Enticement, it is
an action directed and that, normaly, only the prey can attempt to
block it.

Enticement [FN]
Cardtype: Action
Discipline: Serpentis
Only usable if you control the Edge.
[ser] (D) Burn the Edge to cause your prey to burn 2 pool. Your
minions cannot attempt bleed actions for the remainder of the turn.
[SER] As above, but your prey burns 3 pool.

The reason I think it's a directed action is that the card have a D on
it and that the target of the action is the prey. (Since it's the
prey that will burn the pool)

But a player here think that it's an undirected action since, for him,
that action target something I controle, the Edge, not something
controled by an other meth.

6.2.2. of the rulebook: «If the action is not directed at another
Methuselah (or at something controlled by another Methuselah), then
the action is called undirected and can be blocked by the acting
Methuselah's prey or predator, with the prey getting the first
opportunity to block.»

So, my question is : Enticement is a directed or undirected action ?

Thank you.

Richard Labrecque, aka Khaleph Alendis
VEKN Canada : http://www.oricom.ca/melkor/khaleph/index_ang.htm

Skippy

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Jul 26, 2001, 12:31:59 PM7/26/01
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"Richard Labrecque, aka Khaleph Alendis" <kha...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Directed, by card text.
If it makes it easier to understand, you are targeting your prey's pool,
burning the edge a result of your action.


> Thank you.
>
> Richard Labrecque, aka Khaleph Alendis
> VEKN Canada : http://www.oricom.ca/melkor/khaleph/index_ang.htm


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LSJ

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Jul 26, 2001, 4:40:47 PM7/26/01
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Card text isn't sufficient, however, since the (D) symbol is only
a reminder.

>If it makes it easier to understand, you are targeting your prey's pool,
>burning the edge a result of your action.

The action targets one's prey, yes.

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Henrik

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Jul 26, 2001, 5:59:30 PM7/26/01
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LSJ skrev i meddelandet <3B6D...@MailAndNews.com>...

"Skippy" <ski...@nospamming.tamu.edu> wrote:
>"Richard Labrecque, aka Khaleph Alendis" <kha...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>message news:38b3422c.01072...@posting.google.com...
>> I would like to have a confirmation that if I play Enticement, it is
>> an action directed and that, normaly, only the prey can attempt to
>> block it.
>>
>> Enticement [FN]
>> Cardtype: Action
>> Discipline: Serpentis
>> Only usable if you control the Edge.
>> [ser] (D) Burn the Edge to cause your prey to burn 2 pool. Your
>> minions cannot attempt bleed actions for the remainder of the turn.
>> [SER] As above, but your prey burns 3 pool.
>>

One quite confusing thing about this card is that it nowhere says that you
have to control the edge yourself. I'd say it would be fair for someone to
assume that the card is a d-action versus the one controling the edge, and
if successfull causes the edge to be burned and prey to lose 2/3 pool. IMHO
not much on the card contradicts this, although I believe it's intended that
you must posess the edge yourself, and make a d-action versus your prey. I
therefore argues for that the card is clarified on the official site.

Another question: If the action fails, the edge is not burned, right? But
can another minion bleed later?

/Henrik

Pat Ricochet

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Jul 26, 2001, 7:27:52 PM7/26/01
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>
> LSJ skrev i meddelandet <3B6D...@MailAndNews.com>...
> "Skippy" <ski...@nospamming.tamu.edu> wrote:
>> "Richard Labrecque, aka Khaleph Alendis" <kha...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> message news:38b3422c.01072...@posting.google.com...
>>> I would like to have a confirmation that if I play Enticement, it is
>>> an action directed and that, normaly, only the prey can attempt to
>>> block it.
>>>
>>> Enticement [FN]
>>> Cardtype: Action
>>> Discipline: Serpentis
>>> Only usable if you control the Edge.

^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^


>>> [ser] (D) Burn the Edge to cause your prey to burn 2 pool. Your
>>> minions cannot attempt bleed actions for the remainder of the turn.
>>> [SER] As above, but your prey burns 3 pool.

> One quite confusing thing about this card is that it nowhere says that you
> have to control the edge yourself.

???

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James Coupe

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Jul 26, 2001, 6:35:29 PM7/26/01
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In message <B78611A8.5E58%sp...@socrates.gatech.edu>, Pat Ricochet
<sp...@socrates.gatech.edu> writes

>>>> Enticement [FN]
>>>> Cardtype: Action
>>>> Discipline: Serpentis
>>>> Only usable if you control the Edge.
> ^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^
>>>> [ser] (D) Burn the Edge to cause your prey to burn 2 pool. Your
>>>> minions cannot attempt bleed actions for the remainder of the turn.
>>>> [SER] As above, but your prey burns 3 pool.
>
>> One quite confusing thing about this card is that it nowhere says that you
>> have to control the edge yourself.
>
>???

Also note the <X> to <Y> phrasing.

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Mike Courtois

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Jul 26, 2001, 6:56:51 PM7/26/01
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"Pat Ricochet" <sp...@socrates.gatech.edu> wrote in message
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Also odd is that when your prey burns the 3 pool, it doesn't say on the card
that it has to be 3 of **their** own pool. I see a great strategy coming
along here. Player A burns player C's edge to complete an Enticement
action. Player B, burns the required 3 pool from player A's blood pool.
I'm gonna build this deck and play it in the National Chumpionships. :)

-Robert


Henrik

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Jul 26, 2001, 7:05:33 PM7/26/01
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James Coupe skrev i meddelandet ...

>In message <B78611A8.5E58%sp...@socrates.gatech.edu>, Pat Ricochet
><sp...@socrates.gatech.edu> writes
>>>>> Enticement [FN]
>>>>> Cardtype: Action
>>>>> Discipline: Serpentis
>>>>> Only usable if you control the Edge.
>> ^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^
>>>>> [ser] (D) Burn the Edge to cause your prey to burn 2 pool. Your
>>>>> minions cannot attempt bleed actions for the remainder of the turn.
>>>>> [SER] As above, but your prey burns 3 pool.
>>
>>> One quite confusing thing about this card is that it nowhere says that
you
>>> have to control the edge yourself.
>>
>>???
>
>Also note the <X> to <Y> phrasing.
>

Damn


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