"Become Anarch" vs. "Anarch Counter" in the uncontrolled region

Jozxyqk

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Jul 22, 2008, 4:22:43 PM7/22/08

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When a vampire is Banished or otherwise enters the uncontrolled region, his
cards and counters are out of play.

This means, for example, that if the vampire became an anarch by way of the
Seattle Committee ("put an anarch counter on"), he would not be an anarch
while uncontrolled.

What about a vampire who becomes anarch via, for example, Twilight Camp
("make that vampire anarch") and gets banished? Is that uncontrolled
vampire an anarch, or his original sect?

LSJ

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Jul 22, 2008, 4:25:34 PM7/22/08

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Both are anarch.

Jozxyqk

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Jul 22, 2008, 5:28:26 PM7/22/08

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> Both are anarch.

Does the same go for the Go Anarch card and Galaric's Legacy*?
That's definitely a card on a minion supplying an effect.

There's a real reason that I asked the question:
I am designing a deck wherein some Laibon vampires may become anarchs by
way of Anarch Converts, but they may somehow get banished and the deck
may contain Mbare Market. And so if the vampires got banished, I would
want to know if they were Laibon or Anarchs while uncontrolled, and to
possibly explore alternative go-anarch mechanics if there were a way
to exploit both things.

* Given that all 3 cards have been reprinted for the Storyline, I wonder
if they've been reworded to reflect the new templating, abandoning the
"anarch counter" for the "become an anarch" wording. I guess we'll find
out soon!

JH

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Jul 24, 2008, 12:55:58 PM7/24/08

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On Jul 23, 12:28 am, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote:

According to ruling regarding discipline masters on April 2nd, 2006 I
would presume that no cards that say "This vampire ..." function when
attached to a vampire in the uncontrolled region. That would make it
so that Go Anarch and Galaric's Legacy (which are attached to the
vampire) wouldn't function. Cards that use counters (Anarch Secession,
Seattle Committee) are a bit unclear.

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LSJ

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Jul 28, 2008, 9:36:08 AM7/28/08

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Jozxyqk wrote:
> LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>> Jozxyqk wrote:
>>> When a vampire is Banished or otherwise enters the uncontrolled region, his
>>> cards and counters are out of play.
>>>
>>> This means, for example, that if the vampire became an anarch by way of the
>>> Seattle Committee ("put an anarch counter on"), he would not be an anarch
>>> while uncontrolled.
>>>
>>> What about a vampire who becomes anarch via, for example, Twilight Camp
>>> ("make that vampire anarch") and gets banished? Is that uncontrolled
>>> vampire an anarch, or his original sect?
>
>> Both are anarch.
>
> Does the same go for the Go Anarch card and Galaric's Legacy*?
> That's definitely a card on a minion supplying an effect.

REVERSAL: The Seattle Committee counter doesn't work on the Banished vampire
(neither would any of the other anarch counters).

And also, Go Anarch and other cards would similarly not work in the uncontrolled
region.