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The Lasombra

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Mar 31, 2002, 7:05:57 AM3/31/02
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Scoured the google archives for this, but couldn't find LSJ
answering the question, so here it is again:


Setup:

I have my prince, Volker, take a Fifth Tradition action.
The vampire to receive the blood is not one that I control.

Fifth Tradition is a directed action when the target vampire
is not controlled by the acting vampire's Methuselah.

ie, Only the controller of the receiving vampire can block the
action without the help of Eagle's Sight, Falcon's Eye, or Anneke.


Resolution:

Are all of the statements in the Setup correct?

Will they all apply to the superior Obeah version of Renewed Vigor?

Reference:

Online Card Text:
The Fifth Tradition: Hospitality [Jyhad, V:TES]
Cardtype: Action
Cost: 1 blood
Requires ready prince or justicar. +1 stealth action.
Choose a controlled vampire. That vampire gains enough blood from the
blood bank to reach full capacity.


Renewed Vigor [BL]
Cardtype: Action
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Obeah/Fortitude
+1 stealth action.
[for] Put this card on this acting vampire. During your untap phase, if
this vampire is in torpor, you can burn this card to move him or her to
your ready region. A vampire can have only one Renewed Vigor.
[obe] Move a vampire in torpor to his controller's ready region, or
restore an ally or retainer to his or her starting life (with life
counters from the blood bank).
[OBE] Choose any other vampire. That vampire gains enough blood from the
blood bank to reach full capacity.

Online Rulebook:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/
section 6.2.2.1 Who May Attempt to Block
If the action targets another Methuselah (or something controlled by
another Methuselah), then the action is called directed, and the
Methuselah who is the target (or controls the target) of the action may
use her ready untapped minions to attempt to block the action.

Carpe noctem.

Lasombra

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LSJ

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Mar 31, 2002, 3:19:46 PM3/31/02
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The Lasombra wrote:
>
> Scoured the google archives for this, but couldn't find LSJ
> answering the question, so here it is again:
>
> Setup:
>
> I have my prince, Volker, take a Fifth Tradition action.
> The vampire to receive the blood is not one that I control.
>
> Fifth Tradition is a directed action when the target vampire
> is not controlled by the acting vampire's Methuselah.
>
> ie, Only the controller of the receiving vampire can block the
> action without the help of Eagle's Sight, Falcon's Eye, or Anneke.
>
> Resolution:
>
> Are all of the statements in the Setup correct?

Yes.

> Will they all apply to the superior Obeah version of Renewed Vigor?

Yes.

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Shaun McIsaac

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Mar 31, 2002, 3:55:06 PM3/31/02
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If it was directed, it would say "(D) : blah blah blah"

Never Anonymous

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Mar 31, 2002, 5:03:37 PM3/31/02
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"Shaun McIsaac" wrote very simplistically:

> If it was directed, it would say "(D) : blah blah blah"


The (D) symbol is only reminder text.
Only the target of the action determines whether or not
an action is directed. Read the rulebook, section 6.2.2
about Resolving Block attempts for the following quote:

"As a convenience, when a card describes an action that is
typically directed at another Methuselah, the card's text
will usually include a (D) symbol as a reminder that the
action is typically directed."


Also:

" If the action targets another Methuselah (or something controlled
by another Methuselah), then the action is called directed, and the
Methuselah who is the target (or controls the target) of the action
may use her ready untapped minions to attempt to block the action.

If the action is not directed at another Methuselah (or at something

controlled by another Methuselah), then the action is called

undirected* and can be blocked by the acting Methuselah's prey
or predator, with the prey getting the first opportunity to block."

"*The one type of action that may cause confusion is the political
action, so it is worth noting here that all political actions are
undirected, no matter how many, how few or which Methuselahs can
be affected by the outcome of the referendum. This is because the
action calls the referendum, which involves all Methuselahs.
It doesn't target any one Methuselah specifically (not to be
confused with the terms of the referendum, which can in some
cases be set to affect a single Methuselah)."


See also page 26 of the Jyhad Rulebook, section 13.3.1
Who May Block Whom:

"Actions that directly affect another Methuselah are called directed
actions and can only be blocked by that Methuselah's minions."


See also page 20 of the VTES Rulebook, section 6.3.1 Directed Actions:

"Directed Actions: These are actions that directly affect another
Methuselah, one of her minions, or a card a Methuselah controls. An
action directed against another Methuselah may only be blocked by the
minions of that Methuselah."

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