What to do with 12 Illusions of the Kindred? (need Deck Idea)
Martin Tibor Major
I just traded myself 12 Illusions of the Kindred and since I never
ever played it and Ravnos is by far not a familiar clan to me, what do
you guys suggest I should play with them? Any deck list is highly
appreciated!
Martin
Dasein
wrote:
I'm not an expert either but I once encountered one of these decks; it
brought out ravnos illusions that played trap and apparition (usual
combo), possibly other damage sources and/or presses, so tried to bin
the opposing vampire and then played Amaranth to eat it. The blood
hunt is called on the Illusion vampire, not the real one; it burns or
doesn't, no matter, since it's not real anyway.
Can't remember how it got into combat (rushing, bleeding or blocking).
There are obvious problems here such as ousting potential, combat
ends, etc.
Brum
I've heard of such a deck with the Ravnos with Dementation.
Bleed power for the "real" Vampires and Coma - Amaranth for the
Illusions.
Bums rush and Kindred Spirits were the actions of the deck.
I'm sure by tomorrow Norm will have something like that here. ;)
Tiago
Nikolaj "Lord of the Betrayers" Wendt
wrote:
I liked my old deck of multirushing Alexandra.
Give her a chimerstry card or preferably eye of hazimel. She rushes,
plays illusions and the incoming ALexandra untaps the original one,
then the illusion tries to burn the vamp with the agg ani strike and
amaranth, sprinkle in some celerity.
I used to also have a soul gem module in it to allow alexandra to
amaranth as well or to bleed without fear of archon investigation.
Good times.
Alf
When the illusion would be burned during combat you choose wether it
is going in your ash heap or removed from the game. This means you
could use Redeem the lost Soul or do something else funny from there
on :-)
In addition there was some pondering about using CHI PRO vampires with
Body of Sun to ensure the burning part, which means 8 caps at 4 blood
can play BoS and will burn. Although this is easily foiled by S:CE of
course.
I'm too lazy to search for the link right now but I'm sure it's out
there.
-Alf
Dasein
I heard of such a deck. The combat combo I heard about was the cel
card (cant' remember the name) where you can burn X to get X
additional strikes. The fake Alexandra, after untapping the real one,
burns 10 blood for 10 additional strikes, which puts most people down
(who don't have skin of steel) :)
XZealot
wrote:
Illusions of Kindred + Amarath + Possession = Illusion burnt in
bloodhunt, but possessed to permanent control.
Ian Forrestal can do it with Gisela Harden as back up
Deck Name : Ian's Pretend Friends
Author : Norman S. Brown Jr
Description :
This is an Ian Forrestal deck where he uses Illusions of the Kindred
to put a vampire into play who can play Breath of Thanatos at superior
necromancy, then you play Amaranth on the vampire going to torpor.
You burn your own vampire in the bloodhunt by using Gisela's title,
and if you can make Ian Forrestal a cardinal. The deck is light on
master pool gain so you will have to use superior governs to enhance
your pool. You can possess your own burnt vampires back into play.
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 5 max: 8 average: 7.25
------------------------------------------------------------
5x Ian Forestal 8 AUS DOM THA !Tremere:2
3x Gisela Harden, The 7 FOR NEC aus dem priscus Harbinger:2
1x Andrea Giovanni 7 DOM NEC pot vic Giovanni:2
1x Gillespi Giovanni 7 DOM NEC POT aus Giovanni:2
1x Kanimana Belghazi 7 AUS DOM NEC pro Nagaraja:2
1x Isabel Giovanni 5 DOM NEC pot Giovanni:2
Library [90 cards]
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Action [16]
11x Govern the Unaligned
1x Magic of the Smith
3x Possession
1x Rutor's Hand
Action Modifier [14]
5x Call of the Hungry Dead
4x Conditioning
5x Seduction
Action Modifier/Combat [8]
8x Breath of Thanatos
Action Modifier/Reaction [5]
5x Spectral Divination
Ally [1]
1x Ambrosius, The Ferryman (Wraith)
Combat [16]
7x Amaranth
7x Illusions of the Kindred
2x Thoughts Betrayed
Equipment [3]
1x Eye of Hazimel
1x Ivory Bow
1x Sargon Fragment, The
Master [13]
1x Chimerstry
1x Creepshow Casino
1x Elder Library
1x Erciyes Fragments, The
3x Haven Uncovered
1x Necromancy
1x Powerbase: Rome
4x Villein
Political Action [3]
1x Anarchist Uprising
1x Banishment
1x Cardinal Benediction
Reaction [11]
9x Deflection
2x On the Qui Vive
Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Sat Nov 13 08:55:48 2010]
suoli
>
> In addition there was some pondering about using CHI PRO vampires with
> Body of Sun to ensure the burning part, which means 8 caps at 4 blood
> can play BoS and will burn. Although this is easily foiled by S:CE of
> course.
Dr. John Dee's Illusion can play Thoughts Betrayed twice to get to 0
blood and then Burst for 2R agg. Doesn't care about maneuvers or S:CE
and has a platform that can play Ankara Citadel, Second Trad,
Deflection and Parity Shift.
The Lasombra
>Hi folks!
Hello, Martin.
There are 39 decks featuring Illusions of the Kindred collected here:
So Long, and Thanks For all the Fish
by David Cherryholmes seems to be the only tournament winning deck
with more than 2 copies.
Martin Tibor Major
> On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 22:40:26 -0800 (PST), Martin Tibor Major wrote:
> >Hi folks!
>
> Hello, Martin.
>
> >I just traded myself 12 Illusions of the Kindred and since I never
> >ever played it and Ravnos is by far not a familiar clan to me, what do
> >you guys suggest I should play with them? Any deck list is highly
> >appreciated!
>
> There are 39 decks featuring Illusions of the Kindred collected here:
>
>
> So Long, and Thanks For all the Fish
> by David Cherryholmes seems to be the only tournament winning deck
> with more than 2 copies.
>
> http://www.thelasombra.com/decks/twd.htm#2k3charlottejune
Thank you all for the imput, I really do appreciate. So far I think I
will build the deck around Lizette with Immortal Grapple, Claws of the
Dead and Amaranth. The original Lizette can also get Enkil Cog, which
is always fun :)
Nick M
Here is the deck I used to play. Trapparition with Amaranths:
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 4 max: 6 average: 5.08333
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4x Salbatore Bokkengr 4 CHI for pro Ravnos:2
3x Joaquina Amaya 6 ANI CHI FOR Ravnos:2
3x Khalil Ravana 5 CHI ani for pre Ravnos:2
2x Vaclav Petalengro 6 ANI CHI for pot Ravnos:2
Library [60 cards]
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Action [6]
3x Bum's Rush
3x Harass
Combat [39]
6x Amaranth
11x Apparition
5x Dead-End Alley
8x Illusions of the Kindred
9x Trap
Equipment [1]
1x Treasured Samadji
Master [12]
1x Elder Library
2x Fame
2x Haven Uncovered
2x Park Hunting Ground
2x Path of Paradox, The
1x Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The
2x Storage Annex
Reaction [2]
2x Forced Awakening
Juggernaut1981
>
> - Show quoted text -
Isn't there a Trapparition Deck that also used Horrid Reality?
Basically you Rush, Illusion w/CHI enters combat, play trap, they fish
for an Assault Rifle using Horrid Reality and then the gun gets
shuffled back into the library after blammo-ing the nuts off your
opponent. Toss in some other silly shennanigans like a few prevent
cards and you can splatter almost anyone to the wall except Count
Germaine and maybe Lucian the Perfect.
John Flournoy
wrote:
Here's an Illusions deck that won a small (9-man) tourney here in 2003
- I imagine it could be made better with some new cards, but it's at
least another starting point...
Deck Name: Gabrin the Pimp
Created By: Cecil Cicirello
Description: This deck uses illusions of the kindred to bring out one
of the vampires in the crypt. All the Vampires (Except Gabrin) have +1
strength (or a strike for 2) and are large enough to take the damage
while in close. If I were to play this deck again, I would add a bit
more rush and blood of acid.
Crypt: (17 cards, Min: 36, Max: 40, Avg: 9.76)
----------------------------------------------
6 Silvia Giovanni ANI DOM for NEC POT vic 10, Giovanni
6 Lambach ANI AUS DOM pre VIC 10, Tzimisce, Cardinal
3 Goratrix ANI AUS DOM THA vic 10, Tremere Antitribu
2 Gabrin ANI CHI dom for 8, Ravnos
Library: (90 cards)
-------------------
Master (14 cards)
1 Barrens, The
2 Blood Doll
1 Fame
5 Recruitment
1 Tension in the Ranks
4 Visit from the Capuchin
Action (6 cards)
6 Bum's Rush
Reaction (14 cards)
6 Deflection
2 Ignis Fatuus
6 Wake with Evening's Freshness
Combat (51 cards)
6 Amaranth
9 Carrion Crows
9 Drawing Out the Beast
11 Illusions of the Kindred
9 Thoughts Betrayed
7 Trap
Combo (5 cards)
4 Draba
1 Ritual of the Bitter Rose
-John Flournoy
Brum
Lambach ADV can get the Eye of Hazimel.
Then, all you do is rush with the Eye, use Illusions and the new AUS
VIS guy beat and amaranth.
Saves card slots and uses a vampire nobody really used before for
anything good.
Tiago Brum
Alf
>
> Illusions of Kindred + Amarath + Possession = Illusion burnt in
> bloodhunt, but possessed to permanent control.
Why would anyone bother with a bloodhunt against the Illusion while
knowing it will burn anyway?
You'd be lucky to pull that trick even once without having vote lock,
me thinks.
-Alf
Lönkka
wrote:
> Hi folks!
>
>what do
you guys suggest I should play with them?
Hmmm, quite a while ago I recall a local player (Matti) using
Illusions to bring out plenty of Alexandras who naturally did her
untap thingy during the short while in play.
Don't recall anything else about the deck, but obviously it had to
have Toreadors in it. Them mostly not having Chimestry doesn't really
make this easy a deck to build...
-Janne/Lönkka
Petri Wessman
where he played Illusions with some Ravnos (don't recall which one)
repeatedly until he got Lorenzo Detuono. Then he did something nasty
(agg strike?) and used Lorenzo's special to permanently steal the
opposing vampire. Awesome the first time I saw it work, even though he
stole my geared-up Petaniqua :D
-Petri
suoli
> A local player (sorry, don't quite remember who) had an amusing deck
> where he played Illusions with some Ravnos (don't recall which one)
That would be Porphyrion.
> repeatedly until he got Lorenzo Detuono. Then he did something nasty
> (agg strike?)
Yeah, anything from Coma to Grapple+Slam+Disarm.
> and used Lorenzo's special to permanently steal the
> opposing vampire.
Ideally, the next step would be to throw the stolen minion off the
balcony of Khobar Towers.
> Awesome the first time I saw it work, even though he
> stole my geared-up Petaniqua :D
>
> -Petri
And what a rare privilege. Worst deck I ever made x_x
Petri Wessman
> That would be Porphyrion.
Ah, yes.
> And what a rare privilege. Worst deck I ever made x_x
Well, it *did* get mucho points for style and "whoah, didn't see that
one coming!" :D
-Petri
Oortje
Deck Name: Alexandra in you face!
Author: Oortje
Description:
Alexandra gets the eye.\r\nWith the eye enter combat, play illusion.\r
\nIllusion untaps alex!!\r\nIllion does the best he can to burn the
other minion.\r\nAnd repeat untill you drop.
Crypt (69 cards; Capacity min=11 max=11 avg=11)
===============================================
69x Alexandra 11 dom ANI AUS CEL PRE Toreador:2
Library (69 cards)
==================
Master (4)
1x Giant's Blood
3x Vast Wealth
Action (15)
5x Ambush
5x Bum's Rush
5x Nose of the Hound
Equipment (5)
5x Eye of Hazimel
Combat (45)
10x Amaranth
5x Aura Reading
15x Illusions of the Kindred
15x Lightning Reflexes
Created with Secret Library v0.9.3. (Nov 15, 2010 16:57:39)
XZealot
I absolutely agree, which is why I included a decklist.
The Lasombra
>How about this?
>Deck Name: Alexandra in you face!
>Author: Oortje
>Description:
>Alexandra gets the eye.
>With the eye enter combat, play illusion.
>Illusion untaps alex!!
>Illusion does the best he can to burn the
>other minion.
>And repeat untill you drop.
>Crypt (69 cards; Capacity min=11 max=11 avg=11)
>===============================================
>69x Alexandra 11 dom ANI AUS CEL PRE Toreador:2
>Library (69 cards)
>==================
>Master (4)
> 1x Giant's Blood
> 3x Vast Wealth
>Action (15)
> 5x Ambush
> 5x Bum's Rush
> 5x Nose of the Hound
>Equipment (5)
> 5x Eye of Hazimel
>Combat (45)
>10x Amaranth
> 5x Aura Reading
>15x Illusions of the Kindred
>15x Lightning Reflexes
Needs maneuvers or presses, I'd recommend Flash, and possibly a Song
in the Dark or two.
witness1
Or Zip Gun.
-witness1
GreenO
Even if you win the bloodhunt referendum:
"If the illusionary vampire is burned in combat (ending combat), the
acting Methuselah chooses whether he is sent to the ash heap or
removed
from the game. [RTR 20001020] "
You have to be the acting methuselah to burn rather than remove the
illusion from the game. The best chance using Amaranth is the
Alexandra deck posted elsewhere on this thread, or else use Body of
Sun at inferior.
An Illusions/Thoughts Betrayed/Body of Sun deck is probably playable,
but the Alexandra trick is much better if you can burn her and use
Redeem the Lost Soul and untap a load of Toreador to bleed/vote in the
same turn. Maybe a AAA variant of some sort?
M
XZealot
> "If the illusionary vampire is burned in combat (ending combat), the
> acting Methuselah chooses whether he is sent to the ash heap or
> removed
> from the game. [RTR 20001020] "
Seriously? Can we get a confirmation from LSJ?