Shackles of Enkidu question
d
burn clause become effective with all the rest of the shackle text
after it is used?
Cardtype: Equipment
Clan: Gangrel
Cost: 2 pool
Unique equipment.
Before range is chosen in a round of combat, you may put the Shackles
on any minion opposing the vampire with this card; (you still controls
this card, however). Combat ends. The Shackled minion does not untap
(as normal) during his or her untap phases; he or she burns 2 blood
during each of your untap phases. Any minion may burn this card as a
(D) action.
witness1
> Okay, so can a minion burn this card before it is placed, or does the
> burn clause become effective with all the rest of the shackle text
> after it is used?
The latter:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/bfba2ab2834bf572
> Can Shackles be burned by a minion before it has shackled someone?
No. (Well, except by generic "burn equipment" effects, contesting,
etc.)
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Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules:
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/
witness1
Blooded Sand
> On Jul 15, 1:44 pm, d <david.corsonknow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Okay, so can a minion burn this card before it is placed, or does the
> > burn clause become effective with all the rest of the shackle text
> > after it is used?
>
> The latter:
>
>
> > Can Shackles be burned by a minion before it has shackled someone?
>
> No. (Well, except by generic "burn equipment" effects, contesting,
> etc.)
>
> --
> LSJ (vtes...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
> Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules:http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/
>
> witness1
Why not? Card states "May be burned as a D action by any minion" There
is no clause stating only after use. It is equipment while on the
equipping minion. There is just a single statement stating it may be
burned. please explain reasoning. Thanks
LSJ
For the same reason that the Gangrel equipping it is not the "Shackled" minion.
Shackles is odd - it serves as equipment between then time you equip with it and
the time you shackle an opposing minion.
After that, it serves as a shackling device that has certain effects on the
Shackled minion and can be burned as a (D) action.
Salem
is it still equipment when it is shackling someone?
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LSJ
Yes. And, if transferred, it will shackle the minion it is on.
ben...@gmail.com
Even if Shackles of Enkidu worked the way you think it does, it
still wouldn't be any good.
- Ben Peal
d
I agree that Shackles are a) overly expensive and b) not good enough
to build any serious deck around. So you'd think I would agree with
the obvious conclusion: don't ever play the card.
However.... the Shackles are actually the single strongest combat ends
card in the game. So even though they are so expensive, if you want
the card that says "Don't mess with me" the best, Shackles is it.
xcver
mean a minion stealing the shackles wouldn't suffer the negative
effect but that could fit fluff-wise I think).
How about this?
Cardtype: Equipment
Clan: Gangrel
Cost: 2 pool
Unique equipment.
Before range is chosen in a round of combat, the Bearer may put the
Shackles
on any minion opposing the vampire with this card; (you still
controls
this card, however). Combat ends. A minion who has received the
Shackles in combat does not untap
(as normal) during his or her untap phases; he or she burns 2 blood
during each of your untap phases and any minion may burn this card as
a
(D) action.
Blooded Sand
See, that is written in such a way that it is now only burnable as a D
action once it has been transferred.
Blooded Sand
I understand why the gang equipping with it is not the shackled
minion. But nowhere does the card state that the D action is only
available after shackling has occurred. All it says is that this card
may be burnt as a D action. No time or state restrictions are given.
So how does this work?
LSJ
> I understand why the gang equipping with it is not the shackled
> minion. But nowhere does the card state that the D action is only
> available after shackling has occurred. All it says is that this card
> may be burnt as a D action. No time or state restrictions are given.
> So how does this work?
It works by fiat, if that's what you're looking for.
ben...@gmail.com
Do you really want corrected text for this card? Really? Really?
You really want to see this card reprinted? Really?
- Ben Peal
Jozxyqk
Blooded Sand
Sweet! :)
That is the most straightforward way possible.
I like it!!!!
:-)
Blooded Sand
> http://dnn.vtes.net/Portals/17/cards/891/Library/card2008716142634.jpg
Man, I wanted to write a "Lol rofl blah de blah" but that is far too
hilarious to be demeaned like that!
Really funny.. ;)