Gratiano loses his Priscus title (LSJ)

sath...@o2.pl

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Jul 4, 2005, 10:08:44 AM7/4/05

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Ok. It created a lot confusion on our national forum. SO

Gratiano becomes Regent and loses his Priscus title. Can he casts his
vote in prisci subreferendum if:

a) there are other Prisci on the table

b) there are no other Prisci in play.

I would say that it is yes in both cases, but we need some confirmation

Sathriel

Colin McGuigan

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Jul 4, 2005, 10:23:08 AM7/4/05

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Yes, he always gets his "extra" vote in the Prisci sub-referendum. Even
if Fall of the Sabbat has been played.

--Colin McGuigan

James Coupe

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Jul 4, 2005, 2:45:36 PM7/4/05

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In message <gsadnXSQ3te...@speakeasy.net>, Colin McGuigan

<magu...@BGONEspeakeasy.net> writes:
>Yes, he always gets his "extra" vote in the Prisci sub-referendum.

Corner-case quibble: not always - Seeds of Corruption will stop it, for
instance.

>Even if Fall of the Sabbat has been played.

Yeah, that one's pretty evil. :-)

I remember the screams when people realised this was possible with
Regent, and how broken it was going to be. Never really set the world
alight. Nice to see that some people are still working on it, though.

Is it wrong to want to add Legendary Vampire into the mix, too?

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LSJ

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Jul 4, 2005, 4:14:45 PM7/4/05

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Colin McGuigan wrote:

> sath...@o2.pl wrote:
>> Gratiano becomes Regent and loses his Priscus title. Can he casts his
>> vote in prisci subreferendum if:
>>
>> a) there are other Prisci on the table
>>
>> b) there are no other Prisci in play.
>>
>> I would say that it is yes in both cases, but we need some confirmation
>
> Yes, he always gets his "extra" vote in the Prisci sub-referendum. Even
> if Fall of the Sabbat has been played.

Correct.

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Omael

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Jul 5, 2005, 2:30:29 PM7/5/05

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What's the deal with regent and fall of the sabbat? you get one but and
noone can rush you, right?

Matthew T. Morgan

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Jul 5, 2005, 2:39:55 PM7/5/05

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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005, Omael wrote:

> What's the deal with regent and fall of the sabbat? you get one but and
> noone can rush you, right?

It's not playable if the Sabbat has already fallen since it says "Put this
card on a Sabbat vampire you control with a capacity above 7." Otherwise,
yeah. If the Sabbat were to fall with Regent already in play, the Regent
would still get a single vote and the rush action would not be usable.
Nor could the card be transferred via diablerie.

Matt Morgan

Emmit Svenson

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Jul 5, 2005, 4:55:54 PM7/5/05

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Matthew T. Morgan wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Jul 2005, Omael wrote:
> > What's the deal with regent and fall of the sabbat? you get one but and
> > noone can rush you, right?
>
> It's not playable if the Sabbat has already fallen since it says "Put this
> card on a Sabbat vampire you control with a capacity above 7."

Well, you could still play it on Mata Hari. That would give her a
(non-title) vote and the inactive title of Cardinal, which would make
her independent 2-vote title go away. When the player controlling Fall
of the Sabbat was ousted, her Cardinal title would be active and newly
reactivated Sabbat could rush her.

Matthew T. Morgan

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Jul 5, 2005, 5:02:20 PM7/5/05

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This would only work if she'd gone Into the Fire. I don't think Mata
Hari's ability lets her hold a Sabbat title without actually being Sabbat.
If she hadn't gone Into the Fire, she'd be swapping her "2 votes" title
for that of Cardinal, which instantly becomes inactive regardless of
whether or not the Sabbat has fallen because she's the wrong sect.

She would gain the extra vote and could get rushed by Sabbat if there were
any. Sounds like a great deck!

Matt Morgan

James Coupe

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Jul 6, 2005, 3:56:41 AM7/6/05

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In message <1120596954.2...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,

Emmit Svenson <emmits...@hotmail.com> writes:
>Matthew T. Morgan wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Jul 2005, Omael wrote:
>> > What's the deal with regent and fall of the sabbat? you get one but and
>> > noone can rush you, right?
>>
>> It's not playable if the Sabbat has already fallen since it says "Put this
>> card on a Sabbat vampire you control with a capacity above 7."
>
>Well, you could still play it on Mata Hari.

I'm not sure you could, since the card doesn't actually *require* a
member of the Sabbat, it just goes on one.

LSJ

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Jul 6, 2005, 6:41:44 AM7/6/05

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James Coupe wrote:
> In message <1120596954.2...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> Emmit Svenson <emmits...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>>Matthew T. Morgan wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 5 Jul 2005, Omael wrote:
>>>
>>>>What's the deal with regent and fall of the sabbat? you get one but and
>>>>noone can rush you, right?
>>>
>>>It's not playable if the Sabbat has already fallen since it says "Put this
>>>card on a Sabbat vampire you control with a capacity above 7."
>>
>>Well, you could still play it on Mata Hari.
>
> I'm not sure you could, since the card doesn't actually *require* a
> member of the Sabbat, it just goes on one.

Right. You just have to control one -- it needn't be ready, so the
card doesn't require one.

anc...@vampirethemasquerade.com

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Jul 20, 2005, 6:42:07 AM7/20/05

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And, on a simmilar note, can Regent Gratiano cast the sub-referendal
vote in one favour, and his regular four votes in the other?

Daneel

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Jul 20, 2005, 7:28:45 AM7/20/05

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On 20 Jul 2005 03:42:07 -0700, <anc...@vampirethemasquerade.com> wrote:

> And, on a simmilar note, can Regent Gratiano cast the sub-referendal
> vote in one favour, and his regular four votes in the other?

No way. A vampire can only cast his or her votes in one way (and must
cast all available votes in the same way).

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Daneel