Killer combo

[Rekoil]

I was recently the victim of a fairly interesting tactic:

1. Bring out Malkavian vampire with capacity 3 or 4.
2. Play Fame on said Malkavian during master phase.
3. Play Rack on same vampire..
4. Bring out Muddled Vampire Hunter.
5. Hit Malk with MVH; he or she goes into torpor, prey loses three blood.
6. Next turn, use rack to give blood to get out of torpor, then hit 'em
with the MVH again...continue until prey is dead.

--Christopher Woodfield - Rek...@aol.com
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"I will not torment the emotionally frail...I will not torment the
emotionally frail..."

[Greg Zuvich]

what about stopping this with a simple minor boon card? hmmm...

Greg Zuvich, Jedi Knight and Opinionated Bastard Extraordinaire
ju...@gladstone.uoregon.edu

[ANDREW WALL]

In article <3hjfvv$7...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> rek...@aol.com (Rekoil) writes:
>From: rek...@aol.com (Rekoil)
>Subject: Killer combo
>Date: 11 Feb 1995 18:07:43 -0500

I'm not sure, but I don't think that the rack gives blood to you when you're
in Torpor? Is there a ruling on that?

-AWOL

[Ted Cabeen]

Josh Hsu (jo...@merle.acns.nwu.edu) wrote:
: >> 1. Bring out Malkavian vampire with capacity 3 or 4.

: >> 2. Play Fame on said Malkavian during master phase.
: >> 3. Play Rack on same vampire..
: >> 4. Bring out Muddled Vampire Hunter.
: >> 5. Hit Malk with MVH; he or she goes into torpor, prey loses three blood.
: >> 6. Next turn, use rack to give blood to get out of torpor, then hit 'em
: >> with the MVH again...continue until prey is dead.

This works better with a Tremere and a Chantry you can put the vamp into
torpor and take him outagain before your enemies get a chance to
diablerize.
--

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[Bob Ellison]

> : >> 1. Bring out Malkavian vampire with capacity 3 or 4.
> : >> 2. Play Fame on said Malkavian during master phase.
> : >> 3. Play Rack on same vampire..
> : >> 4. Bring out Muddled Vampire Hunter.
> : >> 5. Hit Malk with MVH; he or she goes into torpor, prey loses three blood.
> : >> 6. Next turn, use rack to give blood to get out of torpor, then hit 'em
> : >> with the MVH again...continue until prey is dead.

> This works better with a Tremere and a Chantry you can put the vamp into
> torpor and take him outagain before your enemies get a chance to
> diablerize.

Yup. Good defenses against this strategy:
- Steal the Rack
- Bum's Rush the MVH with any Brujah or Toreador that can dodge the
first strike and get a second
- If your opponent is using a Chantry (or any other overly useful
location :-), use Arson or Rampage to take out the place, or
Disputed Territory to steal it
- Oust your opponent ;-)

papillo the reptilian

[L. Scott Johnson]

You can never enter combat with another Minion under your own control.
(Ruling from Tom, if common sense isn't enough)

rho...@hamilton.edu (Harpua J. Howard) writes:

>In article <awall.702...@bernard.pitzer.edu>,
>aw...@bernard.pitzer.edu (ANDREW WALL) wrote:

>the rack will give you blood in torpor (minion you control, not ready
>minion), but the question i have, is whether or not the Muddled Vamp
>Hunter can attack your own minions. i seem to remember some sort of
>ruling saying you can't take a directed action against yourself because
>it's unblockable (assuming this is a directed action, which i think it
>is). the Muddled hunter does not have stealth, making him easy to block
>(provided you have at least four blood on the blocking vamp. and he's
>attacking YOU)

>just my thoughts. if it's not official, it should be. as for current
>solutions, what about bum's rush on the vamp hunter. a little skin of
>steel would fix that little prick!

>Harpua

[Paul Schaaf]

The only strikes that you can't dodge are "combat ends" and additional
strikes where you don't have additional strikes to match. And since you
don't need to dodge a "combat ends" strike, you can effectively dodge
"any" one strike including a "first strike". And for each additional
strike that you have, you can dodge one more. This is assuming that you
have enough dodge cars of course.

---------
Paul Schaaf
sch...@u.washington.edu

On 17 Feb 1995, Harpua J. Howard wrote:

> In article <3ho4cl$j...@tadpole.fc.hp.com>, pap...@fc.hp.com (Bob Ellison)

> one minor problem. you can't dodge a first strike, because dodge is a
> strike. you can do what you've said, but use any vampire that has
> fortitude instead, and use skin of steal (preventing all the damage) then
> hit the MVH>
>
> Harpua
>
>