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(LSJ) Ilomba on Byzar

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floppyzedolfin

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Dec 14, 2010, 10:27:41 AM12/14/10
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Hi
Suppose an Ilomba is on Byzar.
Some effect would burn Byzar.

a - Does Ilomba's cardtext get triggered? That is: Would a retainer on
a vampire be burned "at the same time" the vampire would be burned?

In my example, Byzar had 0 torpor counter. He diablerizes someone with
no blood when having 0 blood himself, and the blood hunt referendum
would burn him.
b -He probably ends up in torpor, but is it with 1 or with 2 counters?
(is it someone's choice?)

Thanks,
Pascal.

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Byzar
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Harbinger of Skulls
Group: 6
Capacity: 10
Discipline: dom pre AUS FOR NEC OBF
Sabbat: If Byzar would be burned, put a burn counter on him and move
him to torpor instead. If he has three burn counters, remove him from
the game. +1 stealth.

Ilomba
Cardtype: Retainer
Animal with 1 life. Requires a Laibon.
Put Ilomba on any minion (this is a +1 stealth (D) action if that
minion is controlled by another Methuselah). If Ilomba would burn a
life (or would otherwise be burned), this minion burns a blood or life
instead. If he or she cannot, he or she is burned. A minion may have
only one Ilomba.

LSJ

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Dec 14, 2010, 10:43:21 AM12/14/10
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On Dec 14, 10:27 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
> Suppose  an Ilomba is on Byzar.
> Some effect would burn Byzar.
>
> a - Does Ilomba's cardtext get triggered?

No.

> That is: Would a retainer on
> a vampire be burned "at the same time" the vampire would be burned?

No.

> In my example, Byzar had 0 torpor counter. He diablerizes someone with
> no blood when having 0 blood himself, and the blood hunt referendum
> would burn him.
> b -He probably ends up in torpor, but is it with 1 or with 2 counters?
> (is it someone's choice?)

One.
The blood hunt referendum passes, so he would be burned, so he gets a
counter and goes to torpor instead.

There's nothing to activate Ilomba's text, so the presence of Ilomba
doesn't come into play in the question.

Juggernaut1981

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Dec 14, 2010, 9:10:05 PM12/14/10
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LSJ,
I suspect the question is...

Byzar has Retainer X or Equipment X.
Byzar is burned by Effect Y.

Does Retainer/Equipment X go to the ashheap as Byzar gets burned OR
does Byzar's text preserve the Equipment/Retainer X as well?

floppyzedolfin

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Dec 14, 2010, 9:16:04 PM12/14/10
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The answer is: Byzar doesn't burn, he's sent to torpor. Equipment /
Retainers / cards on him that aren't burned when he is sent to torpor
aren't burned.

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