Ritual Challenge

[Michael Kelly]

With the rewrite of the card giving it +1 hand damage, are
multiple Ritual Challenges cumulative?

[Alec Chang]

I would imagine that the card would state that a vampire may play only
one per game, but since I haven't ever seen a V:tES Ritual Challenge,
I have no idea.

Alec Chang

[Michael Gerdau]

In article <32C992...@lmsc.lockheed.com>,

Michael Kelly <ke...@lmsc.lockheed.com> wrote:
>With the rewrite of the card giving it +1 hand damage, are
>multiple Ritual Challenges cumulative?

Hi Mike,

I'm not aware of any ruling forbidding that (and thus it should
be allowed as of now).

However I believe the RTR will rule that it is not cumulative as
is "Pulse of the Canaille".
(if they don't I'm in for a houserule saying exactly that :-)

Michael
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[L. Scott Johnson]

m.ge...@elmshorn.netsurf.de (Michael Gerdau) writes:
>In article <32C992...@lmsc.lockheed.com>,
>Michael Kelly <ke...@lmsc.lockheed.com> wrote:
>>With the rewrite of the card giving it +1 hand damage, are
>>multiple Ritual Challenges cumulative?

>Hi Mike,

>I'm not aware of any ruling forbidding that (and thus it should
>be allowed as of now).

>However I believe the RTR will rule that it is not cumulative as
>is "Pulse of the Canaille".
>(if they don't I'm in for a houserule saying exactly that :-)

Card text from the WotC site:

Ritual Challenge
1 blood
Gangrel
Action
+1 stealth action
If this action succeeds, put this card on the acting Gangrel. The vampire
gets +1 hand damage each combat. A vampire may have only one Ritual
Challenge card.

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[John Whelan]

Justin (Jus...@bgrace.demon.co.uk) wrote:

[snip]

: It's also important to note that a Jyhad Ritual Challenge on Zack North
: (Jyhad version) will do nothing (he already *has* 2 hand damage), but a
: V:TES version on a Jyhad Zack North will give him 2+1=3 hand damage, as
: will a V:TES version on the V:TES Zack North.

My understanding is that Jyhad cards should always be played as though
they have V:tES text, so it should not make any difference what card you
use. If this is not the case, then the Jyhad versions of Soul Gem of
Etrius must be very valuable, for they have 0 pool cost, as opposed to 2.

: When was Pulse of the Canaille ever cumulative?

I think you misunderstood him. Ritual Challenge is not cumulative as is
Pulse of the Canaille (not cumulative).

John Whelan

[Justin]

In article <t7+zyo7y...@elmshorn.netsurf.de>, Michael Gerdau
<m.ge...@elmshorn.netsurf.de> writes

>In article <32C992...@lmsc.lockheed.com>,
>Michael Kelly <ke...@lmsc.lockheed.com> wrote:
>>With the rewrite of the card giving it +1 hand damage, are
>>multiple Ritual Challenges cumulative?
>
>Hi Mike,
>
>I'm not aware of any ruling forbidding that (and thus it should
>be allowed as of now).
>
>However I believe the RTR will rule that it is not cumulative as
>is "Pulse of the Canaille".
>(if they don't I'm in for a houserule saying exactly that :-)
>

>Michael
>--

Ritual Challenge (either version) gives the Gangrel upon whom it is
played hand damage of two (basically, even though it is 2 hand damage in
Jyhad and +1 in V:TES)

However, the card (again, either version) then says that ONLY ONE Ritual
Challenge may be played on a Gangrel. Thus, you *couldn't* play a Jyhad
one and then a V:TES one on the same vampire.

It's also important to note that a Jyhad Ritual Challenge on Zack North
(Jyhad version) will do nothing (he already *has* 2 hand damage), but a
V:TES version on a Jyhad Zack North will give him 2+1=3 hand damage, as
will a V:TES version on the V:TES Zack North.

When was Pulse of the Canaille ever cumulative?
I've only got Jyhad and Sabbat Pulses, so I can't say what the V:TES
Pulse actually says, but I would hope that it restricts the Pulse to
just one per vampire like the Sabbat versions.
Then at least it's marginally fair when you're going up against an
Auspex/Obfuscate bleed deck
Justin Grace

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[L. Scott Johnson]

In article <5b1ihi$5...@amanda.dorsai.org>,

jbwh...@dorsai.org (John Whelan) wrote:
>
> My understanding is that Jyhad cards should always be played as though
> they have V:tES text, so it should not make any difference what card you
> use. If this is not the case, then the Jyhad versions of Soul Gem of
> Etrius must be very valuable, for they have 0 pool cost, as opposed to 2.

VtES Soul Gem has errata that it costs 0 pool.

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[Fabricio Olsson]

On Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:29:04 +0000, Justin <Jus...@bgrace.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

>In article <t7+zyo7y...@elmshorn.netsurf.de>, Michael Gerdau
><m.ge...@elmshorn.netsurf.de> writes
>>In article <32C992...@lmsc.lockheed.com>,
>>Michael Kelly <ke...@lmsc.lockheed.com> wrote:
>>>With the rewrite of the card giving it +1 hand damage, are
>>>multiple Ritual Challenges cumulative?
>>
>>Hi Mike,
>>
>>I'm not aware of any ruling forbidding that (and thus it should
>>be allowed as of now).
>>
>>However I believe the RTR will rule that it is not cumulative as
>>is "Pulse of the Canaille".
>>(if they don't I'm in for a houserule saying exactly that :-)
>>
>>Michael
>>--
>
>Ritual Challenge (either version) gives the Gangrel upon whom it is
>played hand damage of two (basically, even though it is 2 hand damage in
>Jyhad and +1 in V:TES)
>
>However, the card (again, either version) then says that ONLY ONE Ritual
>Challenge may be played on a Gangrel. Thus, you *couldn't* play a Jyhad
>one and then a V:TES one on the same vampire.
>
>It's also important to note that a Jyhad Ritual Challenge on Zack North
>(Jyhad version) will do nothing (he already *has* 2 hand damage), but a
>V:TES version on a Jyhad Zack North will give him 2+1=3 hand damage, as
>will a V:TES version on the V:TES Zack North.

wrong: any card from jyhad should be played with the new vtes
wording!!!!.................Nat