The VTES Precon Decklist Bashing Challenge
atomweaver
Duplicated from another thread, here's a deckbuilding challenge to you...
Using only the cards contained in two precon starters of your choice,
generate a decklist you think would be competitive in a mid-size
constructed tournament(not a qualifier or championship, but assume strong
local players, and, say 20 participants). Duplicating a starter is
acceptable. Choosing more recent precons (3rd Ed, LOB, KMW) is preferred
(but not mandatory). Alternatively, you could choose to substitute the
content of VTES Player's Kit for one precon. If you've got the stones to
play it For Real in a sanctioned event, so much the better, let us know how
you do.
The goals here are
1) to challenge your m@dd deckbuilding skills!!
2) to generate some ideas for competitive decks that new/early players
might look to for inspiration and direction for their own collecting
efforts.
Also, I think these decklists could go a long way as evidence against the
(false) perceived need for big investment in cards in order to build
competitive decks.
If we can figure out some fair way to determine whose decklist is best,
I'll mail that person some cards, including one each of the last few
Mariana Gilbert and Dan Murdock's in my promo box, from the Buonocore
Stash.
Regards,
DaveZ
Atom Weaver
librarian
from the Buonocore
> Stash.
Whatever happened to that dude?
best -
chris
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atomweaver
@newsfe06.phx:
> atomweaver wrote:
>
> from the Buonocore
>> Stash.
>
>
> Whatever happened to that dude?
>
AFIAK, he's still making the Big Bucks, working at "The Man's Brokerage and
Investments, Pvt Ltd". Work like that can consume a lot of hours... I'll
try to touch base with The Evil One, and get an update.
Regards,
DaveZ
Atom Weaver
"Let me tell you the story about a girl named Keith..."
Kevin M.
> Using only the cards contained in two precon starters of your
> choice, generate a decklist you think would be competitive in a
> mid-size constructed tournament(not a qualifier or championship, but
> assume strong local players, and, say 20 participants). Duplicating
> a starter is acceptable. Choosing more recent precons (3rd Ed, LOB,
> KMW) is preferred (but not mandatory). Alternatively, you could
> choose to substitute the content of VTES Player's Kit for one precon.
> If you've got the stones to play it For Real in a sanctioned event,
> so much the better, let us know how you do.
Where is The Hza when we need him? ;)
Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas
"Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles
you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
"Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier
Kevin M.
> Also, I think these decklists could go a long way as evidence
> against the (false) perceived need for big investment in cards in
> order to build competitive decks.
Who has ever said this? If they did, they are being foolish. $20 can get
you two of the same starter; put them together and in 30 minutes you can
have a seriously good deck, even tournament-quality. Maybe Tier1.5
instead of Tier1, but, as an example, I would put two BH !Malk starters
against 80% of the decks I see in tournaments any day.
The Blacker Hand !Malks v1.0 by Kevin Mergen 3/2/07
CRYPT: 12 MIN:26 MAX:38 AVE:8.000
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2 Hannibal 10 AUS DEM OBF Cardinal, (D)Steal 2 from a Sabbat vamp
2 Aristotle 9 AUS DEM OBF [no title], +1 hand size, +1 stealth
2 Imogen 8 AUS DEM obf Archbishop, <useless ability>
2 Kite 7 AUS DEM obf Bishop, +1 intercept
2 Korah 7 AUS DEM OBF Priscus
2 Dolphin 6 AUS DEM OBF [no title]
LIBRARY: 90
Master 8
4 Blood Doll
2 Powerbase: Madrid
2 Institution Hunting Ground
Action/Political 22 (10/12)
10 Kindred Spirits
10 Kine Resources Contested
2 Sabbat Priest
Action Modifier 40 (30 stealth/8+bleed/2+vote)
8 Cloak the Gathering
8 Lost in Crowds
8 Faceless Night
4 Forgotten Labyrinth
2 Deny
8 Eyes of Chaos
2 Telepathic Vote Counting
Reaction 14
6 Forced Awakening
6 Telepathic Misdirection
Combat 6
6 Coma
- Perhaps a bit large of a crypt, but I'd like to make sure that the votes
are passing, and the +10 pool from the Kindred Spirits will help that
- All intercept is abandoned for stealth/bleed+vote
- All reactions are abandoned aside from 6x wake/deflect (and no, I don't
care that I will lose a blood)
- There are 10x Kindred Spirits = +10 bleed/+10 pool
- There are 8x Eyes of Chaos = +16 bleed
- There are 10x KRC = 30 damage
- There are 30 stealth cards, so you should have ~2 always in your hand
- There are 6x Coma = GO TO TORPOR and DO NOT UNTAP
- Tap and kill your prey! Easy!
Try and beat that! ;D
regie...@gmx.de
since single (or double)copies of many rares (if you use the sames
starter twice) do not make that much sence in a constructed deck where
a handfull of commons would be a better choice. so heres my idear when
bulding the deck you can trade rares for a fixed numer of uncommons or
commons and uncommens for a fixed numer of commones but not the other
way (people fill usualy trade you a good number of cards of lesser
rarety but not so often the other way round!). commons and uncommons
you trade have to be from 3rd, kmw or lob to ensure they be easy to
obtain. all trades should be listetd in the decklist so new players
can see that its still just 2 precons with trading that will always be
achivable (especialy with the quality of precon rares)
that gives us more flexebility in deckbuilding and gives new players
the feel that they can not only bulid on a budget deckt that are
competitiv but also have a great number of deck to build to choos
from.
exact numbers of the trade is up for discussion if the idear is liked
in general
J
Took a challenge and used the Nos and !Nos starters...
Is fairly toolboxy
Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 13, Max: 31, Avg: 5.41)
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1 Dani ani 2 Nosferatu
Antitribu
1 Regilio aus obf 3 Nosferatu
1 Laurent de Valois ani dom obf 4 Nosferatu
1 Josef ani obf obt 4 Nosferatu
Antitribu
1 Gemini ani obt pot OBF 5 Nosferatu
1 Calebros obf pot ANI 5 Nosferatu
1 Olivia vic OBF POT 5 Nosferatu
Antitribu
1 Christanius Lionel pot ANI OBF 6 Nosferatu
Antitribu
1 Beast ani cel OBF POT 7 Nosferatu
Antitribu
1 Teresita for ANI OBF POT 7 Nosferatu
Antitribu
1 Nikolaus Vermeulen ani for obf POT 7 Nosferatu
1 Cailean dom ANI OBF POT PRE10 Nosferatu
Antitribu
Library: (90 cards)
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Master (9 cards)
4 Blood Doll
1 Fame
1 Nosferatu Kingdom
1 Shanty Town Hunting Ground
1 Slum Hunting Ground
1 Spawning Pool, The
Action (12 cards)
3 Ambush
1 Army of Rats
1 Arson
3 Bum`s Rush
4 Computer Hacking
Action Modifier (9 cards)
3 Faceless Night
3 Lost in Crowds
3 Spying Mission
Reaction (14 cards)
6 Cats` Guidance
5 Guard Dogs
2 Pack Tactics
1 Delaying Tactics
Combat (35 cards)
3 Behind You!
5 Carrion Crows
1 Disarm
4 Increased Strength
2 Mighty Grapple
3 Taste of Vitae
3 Thrown Gate
4 Thrown Sewer Lid
3 Aid from Bats
1 Canine Horde
3 Fake Out
3 Pushing the Limit
Retainer (4 cards)
4 Raven Spy
Equipment (2 cards)
1 Laptop Computer
1 Sport Bike
Combo (5 cards)
5 Swallowed by the Night
Ector
atomweaver:
> All,
>
> Duplicated from another thread, here's a deckbuilding challenge to you...
>
> Using only the cards contained in two precon starters of your choice,
> generate a decklist you think would be competitive in a mid-size
> constructed tournament(not a qualifier or championship, but assume strong
> local players, and, say 20 participants). Duplicating a starter is
> acceptable. Choosing more recent precons (3rd Ed, LOB, KMW) is preferred
> (but not mandatory). Alternatively, you could choose to substitute the
> content of VTES Player's Kit for one precon. If you've got the stones to
> play it For Real in a sanctioned event, so much the better, let us know how
> you do.
>
started :) Please look my !Malk August newsletter for a deck built
with two !Malk starters of Third Edition:
Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 16, Max: 33, Avg: 6,0)
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2 Apache Jones aus for obf DEM 5 !Malk
2 Uncle George aus DEM dom obf 5 !Malk
1 Beauregard Crueller aus dem obf 4 !Malk
2 Rodolfo pro AUS DEM OBF 8 !Malk bishop
2 Persephone Tar-Annis cel pot AUS DEM OBF 8 !Malk
1 General Perfidio Dios dem obf AUS 5 !Malk bishop
1 Harold Zettler vic AUS DEM OBF POT 9 !Malk
1 Bloodfeud obf 2 !Malk
Library: (80 cards)
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Master (13 cards)
4 Blood Doll
2 Dementation
2 Effective Management
1 Institution HG
2 Secure Haven
2 Vox Senis
Action (12 cards)
2 Call, The
10 Kindred Spirits
Action Modifier (28 cards)
6 Cloak the Gathering
8 Confusion
4 Elder Impersonation
8 Eyes of Chaos
4 Lost in Crowds
Reaction (8 cards)
4 On the Qui Vive
4 Telepathic Misdirection
Ally (2 cards)
2 Escaped Mental Patient
Combo (7 cards)
2 Deny
5 Swallowed by the Night
Combat (8 cards)
2 Behind You!
6 Read Intentions
BTW, this sort of challenge is my life :) I constantly recruit
newbies, and I have to explain them how to get a decent deck without
huge investments. Thanks for the great idea!
It would be even more great if you manage to push some WW officials to
try playing such decks against the normal decks. I've already asked
for printing the "kits" suitable for newbies (e.g. a CEL/POT Rush kit,
FOR/PRE voting kit and so on) - but they printed a pile of not-to-good
cards in their Player's Kit, so it's nearly useless. You know, a
starter isn't always a good base for a deck: why a newbie should be
restricted to one clan?
Yours,
Ector
Alias
two BH !Nossie starters.
Built to show that the two-starter method works even with average
starters and non-cheesy tactics :)
Optionally, make some cosmetic changes (Guard Dogs->Forceds; Calebos,
Kendrick->Nigel, Calebros, Amelia), using the couple of Disarms for
trade. Or sell the Disarms, thus cutting your costs by one third.
competitive? hard to tell, but I would surely take such a deck to a
tournament without a risk of embarassing myself :)
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 8 average: 6.17
------------------------------------------------------------
2x Calebos 8 ANI OBF POT cel bishop !Nosferatu:2
2x Beast, The Leather 7 OBF POT ani cel !Nosferatu:2
2x Kendrick 7 ANI POT aus obf priscus !Nosferatu:2
2x Teresita, The Godm 7 ANI OBF POT for !Nosferatu:3
2x Christanius Lionel 6 ANI OBF pot !Nosferatu:2
2x Dani 2 ani !Nosferatu:2
Library [80 cards]
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Action [5]
5x Ambush
Action Modifier/Combat [8]
8x Swallowed by the Night
Combat [34]
4x Behind You!
6x Carrion Crows
4x Increased Strength
2x Mighty Grapple
4x Taste of Vitae
6x Thrown Gate
8x Thrown Sewer Lid
Equipment [4]
2x IR Goggles
2x Laptop Computer
Master [7]
4x Blood Doll
1x Fame
2x Nosferatu Kingdom
Reaction [16]
6x Cats' Guidance
10x Guard Dogs
Retainer [6]
6x Raven Spy
Johannes Walch
> exact numbers of the trade is up for discussion if the idear is liked
> in general
Good idea.
I would propose I pretty conservative approach:
1 Uncommon = 2 Commons
1 Rare = 4 Commons
1 Power Rare (Dreams, War Ghoul) = Another Rare
Also the trades should be listed under the decklist.
They should be reasonable as well, no one will trade for a Crusade.
We could archive the results somewhere as a "Beginners Guide to Cheap
V:TES", that would be an awesome resource for new players. We can also
find people to translate, perhaps.
Johannes
regie...@gmx.de
tradet are avalibel in the recent starters
3 x Cesewayo
3 x Khalu
2 x Tatu Sawosa
2 x Ismitta
2 x Uzoma
4 x blood doll
2 x tension in the ranks
1 x base hunting ground
2 x new in town
2 x celerety
2 x pulse of th canalie
4 x eagal sight
6 x forced awakening
3 x my enemys enemy
2 x fast reaction
6 x quicken sight
4 x .44 magnunm
2 x sniper rifle
1 x improvised flamethrower
6 x ancesters insight
6 x pursiute
3 x telepathic tracking
6 x projectile
4 x taste of vitae
67 card from the osebo starters
1 x auspex C
6 x blur C
3 x minion tap C
3 x acrobatics C
3 x enhanced senses C
4 x telepathic misdirection C
1 x fame U
1 x krcg news radion U
1 x rumor mill, tabloid newspaper U
23 card to trade
20 C
3 U
1 x enemy of my enemy + 2 x psycic projections + 2 x osebo kholo = 18
common ? (3 for a starter fix 6 if its excelent?)
1 x telepathic tracing 2 x ir gogel 3 x improvised flamethrower = 12
commons (or 3 uncommons and 3 commons in this case)
dont think that those are hard trades to make even the ir gogels can
be tradet for auspex, enhanced sences, arcrobatics or the like ...
feedback very welcome
cards i'd like to add not found in recent startes would be 1 x
dragounboud (expensiv :( ) and some better vamps (need sup aus and
cel) plus conceald weapons
cut the aus and cel master cards and tweak combat card numbers to make
space ...
if anyone takes this to a tournament plz let me know very interested
on how it preforms :)
on the topic of archiving, i dont know if what i'm writing now is
total c**p but wouldn't it be possible to have a beginners section on
thelasombra with these deck and lot of other infos for newbs basic
startegy, trading etc ?
Fabio 'Sooner' Macedo
the original deck, but still with the occasional intercept/proactive
combat card, not to mention the usual extra bleeding capability
provided by Iron Glare.
I'm sad Guruhi Are The Land can't make the final cut, though. It's
either it + equipments or more Iron Glares. Since only two vampires
are Magaji, no wonder why Iron Glare is the preferred choice.
Deck Name : Two Starters - Guruhi doubled
Author : Fabio Sooner
Description :
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 4 max: 10 average: 7.5
------------------------------------------------------------
3x Ugadja 10 ABO ANI POT PRE dom for magaji Guruhi:4
3x Sobayifa 8 ANI PRE aus pot pro spi magaji Guruhi:3
2x Aren, Priest of Es 7 POT PRE ani obf Guruhi:4
2x Batsheva 6 ANI PRE obt pot Guruhi:4
2x Lumumba 4 PRE ani Guruhi:4
Library [90 cards]
------------------------------------------------------------
Action [2]
2x Charming Lobby
Action Modifier [24]
2x Awe
6x Bewitching Oration
4x Change of Target
6x Iron Glare
6x Voter Captivation
Action Modifier / Reaction [2]
2x Guruhi Kholo
Combat [12]
4x Pushing the Limit
6x Staredown
2x Terror Frenzy
Equipment [2]
2x Blood Tears of Kephran
Master [17]
2x Dummy Corporation
1x Elder Library
1x Giant's Blood
1x Legendary Vampire
6x Minion Tap
2x Palace Hunting Ground
2x Storage Annex
2x Sudden Reversal
Political Action [21]
1x Ancient Influence
2x Ancilla Empowerment
2x Banishment
5x Conservative Agitation
2x Domain Challenge
6x Kine Resources Contested
2x Overseer
1x Political Stranglehold
Reaction [10]
6x Cats' Guidance
4x Wake with Evening's Freshness
regie...@gmx.de
use encahnt kindred to power out more vamp. and use force march to do
it quicker or to untap after grabbing a bakh nagk
3 Jibade el-Bahrawi
2 (3) Ubende
2 Honorine Ateba
2 Shasa Abu Badr
3 (2) Ganhuru
not quiet sure which to favor ubende or ganhuru sugestions welcome
Master
4 x blood doll
1 x port hunting ground
2 x sudden reversal
2 x misdirection
1 x heidelberg castle gemany
2 x celerety
1 x fortitude
2 x information highway
3 x life in the city
Actions
10 x enchant kindret
6 x leagal maipulation
2 x entrancement
Action modifiers
8 x force march
2 x kiss of ra
Combat
8 x side strike
3 x sideslip (in case you run agains agravted damage)
Reactions
6 x wake with evenings freshness
Allies
4 x Procurer
67 cards from the ishtari starter
6 x unflincing presistance
4 x prusiute
2 x blood doll
4 x minon tap
7 x bagh nagk
23 card to trade (again all card can be found in recent starters)
23 C
rares are not soo good here but 2 x daring the dawn can be tradet = 8
commons
uncommons come to the rescue 6 x alecrety 4 x change of traget 1 x
heidelberg castle = 22 commons
and even 4 majesty can be tradet = 4 commons
more than enough to compleat the deck not much to add her after that.
a better vamp. selection to cut the master displins and make room vor
some good rare equip, may be?
Fabio 'Sooner' Macedo
These use 1x Anathema deck + 1x !Brujah (3rd Edition).
It's still a bruise n' vote deck using pot/for/obf and just a card or
two requiring [cel], but with a little more (and cheaper) stealth and
block deterrents (such as Hidden Lurker, Rabbat and Hektor's specials
and a little more combat punch).
Deck Name : The New Anathema (Anathema + Brujah Anti 3rd Starters)
Author : Fabio Sooner
Description :
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 4 max: 10 average: 7.5
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2x Armin Brenner 10 CEL FOR POT PRE ani obf archbishop !
Brujah:4
2x Hektor 9 CEL POT PRE QUI for priscus !
Brujah:4
2x Count Germaine Adv 8 CEL FOR POT PRE obf
Brujah:4
2x Mata Hari 7 CHI OBF aus for qui 2 votes
Ravnos:4
2x Rabbat, The Sewer 7 ANI FOR OBF pot
Nosferatu:4
2x Wolfgang 4 for obf pot
Nosferatu:3
Library [90 cards]
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Action [4]
1x Aranthebes, The Immortal
3x Enchant Kindred
Action Modifier [21]
5x Bewitching Oration
2x Forced March
1x Forgotten Labyrinth
3x Hidden Lurker
4x Iron Glare
1x Rebirth
5x Voter Captivation
Action Modifier/Combat [3]
3x Swallowed by the Night
Action Modifier/Reaction [2]
2x Scalpel Tongue
Combat [25]
2x Increased Strength
1x Mighty Grapple
4x Pursuit
1x Skin of Steel
2x Soak
4x Taste of Vitae
4x Thrown Gate
2x Torn Signpost
5x Undead Strength
Equipment [1]
1x Sengir Dagger
Event [1]
1x Restricted Vitae
Master [13]
1x Amusement Park Hunting Ground
4x Blood Doll
1x Creepshow Casino
1x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Dummy Corporation
3x Haven Uncovered
1x Slum Hunting Ground
1x Society of Leopold
Political Action [16]
2x Banishment
1x Disputed Territory
1x Diversity
1x Dogs of War
3x Free States Rant
6x Kine Resources Contested
1x Reinforcements
1x Reins of Power
Reaction [4]
2x On the Qui Vive
2x Wake with Evening's Freshness
Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Fri Mar 02 10:41:55 2007]
...
The second deck will come in another post.
Fabio 'Sooner' Macedo
ended up with 1x more copy of Mata Hari, Wolfgang and Rabbat than what
is really available.
This requires some changes in the last deck (basically, take Rebirth
and the Slum HG out and insert 2x Bribes, since now the crypt is short
of 1 titled, 2 Nosferatu and 2 Red List vampires). Here's the correct
version:
Deck Name : The New Anathema (Anathema + Brujah Anti 3rd Starters)
Author : Fabio Sooner
Description :
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 10 average: 7.34
------------------------------------------------------------
2x Armin Brenner 10 CEL FOR POT PRE ani obf archbishop !
Brujah:4
2x Hektor 9 CEL POT PRE QUI for priscus !
Brujah:4
2x Count Germaine Adv 8 CEL FOR POT PRE obf
Brujah:4
1x Antara 8 CEL FOR QUI aus obf pre
Assamite:4
1x Mata Hari 7 CHI OBF aus for qui 2 votes
Ravnos:4
1x Rabbat, The Sewer 7 ANI FOR OBF pot
Nosferatu:4
1x Father Juan Carlos 6 PRE aus cel pot tha !
Brujah:4
1x Wolfgang 4 for obf pot
Nosferatu:3
1x Jayne Jonestown 2 PRE !
Brujah:4
Library [90 cards]
------------------------------------------------------------
Action [4]
1x Aranthebes, The Immortal
3x Enchant Kindred
Action Modifier [22]
5x Bewitching Oration
2x Bribes
2x Forced March
1x Forgotten Labyrinth
3x Hidden Lurker
4x Iron Glare
5x Voter Captivation
Action Modifier/Combat [3]
3x Swallowed by the Night
Action Modifier/Reaction [2]
2x Scalpel Tongue
Combat [25]
2x Increased Strength
1x Mighty Grapple
4x Pursuit
1x Skin of Steel
2x Soak
4x Taste of Vitae
4x Thrown Gate
2x Torn Signpost
5x Undead Strength
Equipment [1]
1x Sengir Dagger
Event [1]
1x Restricted Vitae
Master [12]
1x Amusement Park Hunting Ground
4x Blood Doll
1x Creepshow Casino
1x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Dummy Corporation
3x Haven Uncovered
1x Society of Leopold
Political Action [16]
2x Banishment
1x Disputed Territory
1x Diversity
1x Dogs of War
3x Free States Rant
6x Kine Resources Contested
1x Reinforcements
1x Reins of Power
Reaction [4]
2x On the Qui Vive
2x Wake with Evening's Freshness
Here's the fighty-bleedy one, 80 cards.
Deck Name : Count Germaine's Gang (Anathema + Brujah Anti 3rd
Starters)
Author : Fabio Sooner
Description :
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 3 max: 9 average: 6.92
------------------------------------------------------------
2x Hektor 9 CEL POT PRE QUI for priscus !Brujah:4
2x Count Germaine Adv 8 CEL FOR POT PRE obf Brujah:4
2x Count Germaine 8 CEL FOR POT PRE obf Brujah:4
2x Urraca 7 ANI CEL POT pre bishop !Brujah:4
2x Father Juan Carlos 6 PRE aus cel pot tha !Brujah:4
1x Alessandro Garcia 4 pot pre pro !Brujah:4
1x Smash 3 pot pre !Brujah:4
Library [80 cards]
------------------------------------------------------------
Action [4]
1x Aranthebes, The Immortal
3x Enchant Kindred
Action Modifier [14]
2x Aire of Elation
2x Alacrity
2x Approximation of Loyalty
2x Forced March
2x Hidden Lurker
4x Iron Glare
Combat [41]
3x Acrobatics
1x Fast Hands
5x Flash
2x Increased Strength
1x Mighty Grapple
3x Nimble Feet
4x Pursuit
1x Skin of Steel
2x Soak
4x Stunt Cycle
4x Taste of Vitae
4x Thrown Gate
2x Torn Signpost
5x Undead Strength
Equipment [3]
2x Leather Jacket
1x Sengir Dagger
Master [12]
1x Amusement Park Hunting Ground
4x Blood Doll
1x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Dummy Corporation
3x Haven Uncovered
1x London Evening Star, Tabloid Newspaper
1x Society of Leopold
Political Action [1]
1x Reinforcements
Reaction [5]
2x On the Qui Vive
3x Wake with Evening's Freshness
Bram Vink
your predator doesnt get votelock.
2x Toreador Antitribu Starter Deck
2x Greta Kircher
2x Jost werner
1x Lachlan, Noddist
2x Miller Delmardigan
2x Venere Carboni
1x Lolita
1x Ian Wallingford
1x Sabrina
-- 70 cards
Masters: 7
4x Short-Term Investment
2x Palla Grande
1x Fetish Club HG
--
Action Modifiers: 8
4x Stealth Ritus
4x Bewitching Oration
--
Reactions: 18
4x Quicken Sight
8x Telepathic Misdirection
6x WWEF
--
Combat: 15
4x Acrobatics
4x Blur
6x Sideslip
1x Concealed Weapon
--
Political Action: 7
6x Consanguineous Boon
1x Crusade: Miami
--
Action: 12
4x Revelations
4x Legal Manipulations
--
Equipment: 3
3x Poker
atomweaver
@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
It adds complexity to the challenge, and to the message to new players.
In case it wasn't clear, I'm really considering these decklists as
advertising for new players..
"Bash these two precons together, and the deck is tournament worthy"
is a far stonger message in support of the game's affordability than
"bash these two precons together, go trade with some locals to get these
10-12 cards, and if they don't have them, well its OK but the deck won't
be quite as good as it might be... you can tweak it later when you find
the cards"
I'd prefer to stay on message, and keep the challenge simple.
This idea could certianly be implemented, but maybe in a trade-league
type format for journeymen VTESsers, who are a bit further along the
Fivefold Path
Good input though, thanks!
DaveZ
Atom Weaver
Matthew T. Morgan
to bleed, when to stay untapped and when to suck it up, I present:
2 Akunanse starters!
Crypt:
3 Uchenna ABO ANI FOR 7, Akunanse, magaji
3 Amavi pre pro ABO ANI FOR 8, Akunanse
2 Sanjo abo chi ANI FOR 6, Akunanse
2 Meno Ngari abo 2, Akunanse
2 Dolie abo ani 3, Akunanse
I've dropped Kamiri wa Ithero. He just doesn't bring enough to this party
for 10 pool. A few vamps from the booster packs like Nkule, Jubal and
Hasani will greatly enhance this crypt.
Library: (90 cards)
Master (16 cards)
2 Abombwe
1 Barrens, The
6 Blood Doll
1 Effective Management
1 Jungle Hunting Ground
1 KRCG News Radio
2 Life in the City
1 Major Boon
1 Sudden Reversal
Doubled the Abombwe cards (since half the crypt only has abo) and the
Blood Dolls (best card in the deck). Dropped the sketchy Parthenon (trade
it to another noob) + Secret Horde tech, complicated Rotschreck and highly
situational Vox Domini. Major Boon is also maybe a bit complex for a new
player and would be a good candidate to swap if keeping Rotschreck is
desired.
Action (14 cards)
1 Army of Rats
6 Computer Hacking
6 Harass
1 Tier of Souls
Army of Rats and Tier of Souls can't really be defended very well with the
stupid Rats' Warning, so there's only one of each. Doubled Computer
Hackings and Harass. Harass has better synergy with the press combat
Abombwe features and it's not that likely there will be a lack of targets.
If copies of Nkule can be acquired to go with Uchenna, a few No Secrets
From the Magaji will really improve this deck.
Action Modifier (12 cards)
4 Devil-Channel: Throat
4 Freak Drive
4 Predator`s Mastery
Dawn Operation ranges from problematic to useless. Rarely will it find a
happy medium in constructed play. Better to double the Freaks.
Political Action (0 cards)
Yeah. This isn't a vote deck.
Reaction (8 cards)
4 Instinctive Reaction
4 Rat`s Warning
This deck would be greatly enhanced by including a fistfull of Predator's
Communion. A newbie Akunanse player should make haste to acquire several
of these very useful commons. Also, I wish the Instinctive Reactions were
Cats' Guidance. Since they aren't, I'll just add one. Unseen Hibernation
is too prayerish.
Combat (36 cards)
2 Canine Horde
4 Carrion Crows
4 Devil-Channel: Hands
8 Invoking the Beast
6 Rolling with the Punches
4 Skin of Steel
4 Song of Serenity
4 Unflinching Persistence
I doubled everything except the Devil-Channel: Hands (4 seem sufficient).
This is actually quite a good selection of combat, but 20 cards is a
little lean for a fighty constructed deck. Some Tastes of Vitae (4 or so)
would be great here, but they aren't available in any booster packs that
are currently in print. The 3rd Edition !Brujah starter is currently the
best place to get them.
Ally (0 cards)
Gregory Winter is a great card, but I'm not seeing the synergy here.
Retainer (1 cards)
1 Owl Companion
The owl is nice. Ravens would be better. At any rate, one should be
plenty.
Equipment (2 cards)
1 Laptop Computer
1 Reliquary: Akunanse Remains
Bleed permanents are a great plan in a deck that has Freak Drives. I'd be
tempted to add a second Laptop, but by my count, I've just hit 90 cards.
Combo (1 cards)
1 Akunanse Kholo
It doesn't really help the principle goal of the deck, but it's too good
not to include.
--
atomweaver
news:vSRFh.58503$iE2....@newsfe10.phx:
> atomweaver <atomw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Also, I think these decklists could go a long way as evidence
>> against the (false) perceived need for big investment in cards in
>> order to build competitive decks.
>
> Who has ever said this? If they did, they are being foolish. $20 can
> get you two of the same starter; put them together and in 30 minutes
> you can have a seriously good deck, even tournament-quality. Maybe
> Tier1.5 instead of Tier1, but, as an example, I would put two BH !Malk
> starters against 80% of the decks I see in tournaments any day.
Kev,
Check out the "No VTES in Hamburg, Germany?" thread. I've heard this
argument a fair few time myself, in soliciting demoes here in Flat
Raccoon CT. People a very used to CCGs being an expensive proposition.
Its the foul reputation of our game's peers (MtG, VS, YuGoi, L5R and the
rash of anime-stuff thats come out recently) which sullies our good
name, and its a tough rep to shake.
Good lists everyone! I'm printing and saving them all, thanks!
I'm thinking that the appraisal of these lists will happen Iron Chef
style. We'll get a panel of 3-5 illustrious judges (newsgroup
luminaties who don't submit lists of their own, maybe a few WW
employees) to assess them, and award points based on various categories
of performance, along with some lesser section for success in meeting
the technical requirements of the challenge. Any one who wants to also
help in building the structure of that judging system is welcome to
submit ideas.
DaveZ
Atom Weaver
atomweaver
news:2007030209...@fnord.io.com:
> For the newbie who doesn't mind learning the hard way when to rush,
> when to bleed, when to stay untapped and when to suck it up
Kenny Rogers is choking on some fried chicken somewhere due to this
infringement on "The Gambler" ;-)
Good list, Matt, thanks!
DZ
AW
atomweaver
@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com:
> Not the best, for sure, but a funny deck, which will work ok. Hope
> your predator doesnt get votelock.
>
> 2x Toreador Antitribu Starter Deck
>
Definite style points awarded for the use of weaker clan decks. Thanks
Bram!
DZ
AW
Dorrinal Blackmantle
Tremere Antitribu
Third Edition Bruise and Bleed
Crypt [12]
------------------------------
1x Lucubratio
3x Paul Cordwood
2x Ladislas Toth, the Torch
2x Frondator
2x Alejandro Aguirre
2x Janine
Here I would like to take advantage of Paul Cordwood's special ability
-- I think it will help get a crucial Govern the Unaligned or Rutor's
Hand through. I dropped Uta Kovacs so I could focus on the tight
govern chain. A new player would greedily bring out Paul then Govern
to his/her heart's content.
Library [90]
------------------------------
Action [17]
2x Dominate Kine
10x Govern the Unaligned
1x Graverobbing
2x Harass
2x Rutor's Hand
Light on the rush because of all the intercept available. You will
use all your combat cards.
Action Modifier [14]
7x Bonding
7x Threats
Your Governs will be split between influence and bleed: keeping this
many modifiers makes sure that the bleeds that land count.
Combat [24]
10x Apportation
12x Theft of Vitae
2x Walk of Flame
I can't resist the Walk of Flame. If animalism retainers are popular
in your neck of the woods then Weather Control is a better choice.
Equipment [2]
2x Helicopter
Master [11]
4x Blood Doll
2x Dominate
2x Golconda: Inner Peace
2x Thaumaturgy
1x University Hunting Ground
Reaction [22]
6x Enhanced Senses
4x On the Qui Vive
8x Redirection
4x Spirit's Touch
Ran out of room for the rest of the Spirit's Touch. If I had access
to boosters I would replace the two Helicopters above with two more On
the Qui Vive.
--
Dorrinal Blackmantle
Chantry Elder of Salt Lake City
John Flournoy
out the handful of cards that might be useful to a !Tremere deck are
VERY useful to a !Tremere deck: 5(!) wakes, 6 more thefts, 3 more
Rutor's, Valerius, more Blood Dolls, even a couple of Dummy
Corporations:
Crypt (12 cards)
1 Alejandro Aguirre ani aus dom tha 5, Tremere antitribu
1 Cohn Rose aus dom pre THA 5, Tremere
1 Frondator dom tha AUS 5, Tremere Antitribu
1 Janine aus dom tha 4, Tremere Antitribu
1 Ladislas Toth for AUS DOM THA 7, Tremere antitribu,
Archbishop
1 Lucubratio AUS DOM POT PRE THA 10, Tremere Antitribu,
Archbishop
2 Paul Cordwood obf pre AUS DOM THA 8, Tremere Antitribu,
Bishop
2 Uta Kovacs ser AUS DOM THA 8, Tremere Antitribu
1 Valerius Maior nec pre AUS DAI DOM THA 7, Tremere
1 Valerius Maior nec pre AUS DAI DOM THA 7, Tremere Antitribu
Library: (90 cards)
Master (14 cards)
5 Blood Doll
1 Dominate
2 Dummy Corporation
1 Golconda: Inner Peace
1 Thaumaturgy
1 Recruitment
1 Rotschreck
1 Strained Vitae Supply
1 University Hunting Ground
Action (14 cards)
1 Dominate Kine
5 Govern the Unaligned
1 Graverobbing
2 Harass
1 Recure of the Homeland
4 Rutor`s Hand
Action Modifier (9 cards)
4 Bonding
1 Sleeping Mind, The
4 Threats
Reaction (22 cards)
3 Sense the Sin
3 Enhanced Senses
2 On the Qui Vive
4 Redirection
5 Spirit`s Touch
5 Wake with Evening's Freshness
Combat (31 cards)
6 Apportation
2 Blood Fury
2 Blood Rage
12 Theft of Vitae
2 Walk of Flame
3 Weather Control
-John Flournoy
Bram Vink
> "Bram Vink" <jja.v...@hccnet.nl> wrote in news:1172846767.480219.173480
Barons/!tor:
1x Mattheus, FS 10, AUS PRE CEL Priscus
1x Donatien 9, AUS PRE cel Cardinal
1x Lachlan 8, AUS PRE CEL AB
1x Venere 8, AUS PRE CEL Priscus
1x Jessica adv. 8, AUS PRE CEL Bishop
1x Jessica 7, AUS PRE CEL Bishop
1x Ira Rivers 7, AUS pre CEL Prince
1x Jost Werner 6, AUS PRE
1x Ian Wallingford 6, aus PRE CEL Bishop
1x Michael Luther 4, aus pre
1x Lolita 3, pre
1x Sabrina 4, aus pre cel
Library (73 cards)
Master (13)
1 Fetish Club Hunting Ground
1 Palla Grande
2 Short-Term Investment
2 Zillah's Valley
2 Sudden Reversal
1 Secure Haven
3 Minion Tap
1 Anarch Troublemaker
Action Modifier (17)
6 Bewitching Oration
2 Stealth Ritus
2 Under The Skin
1 Alacrity
2 Change of Target
1 Aire of Elation
3 Voter Captivation
Reaction (15)
5 Telepathic Counter
4 Telepathic Misdirection
6 Wake with Evening's Freshness
Combat (7)
3 Sideslip
1 Dodge
1 Fast Hands
2 Majesty
Action (7)
2 Legal Manipulations
2 Revelations
3 Enchant Kindred
Political Action (14)
4 Consanguineous Boon
1 Crusade: Miami
1 Disputed Territory
3 Kine Resources Contested
1 Domain Challenge
2 Conservative Agitation
2 Anarchist Uprising
The Lasombra
wrote:
>All,
> The goals here are
Or, I'll make you famous:
http://www.TheLasombra.com/dbc/dbc.htm
http://www.TheLasombra.com/whatsnew.htm
XZealot
> 1) to challenge your m@dd deckbuilding skills!!
It is not I who am mad. It is I who am crazy.
> 2) to generate some ideas for competitive decks that new/early players
> might look to for inspiration and direction for their own collecting
> efforts.
>
> Also, I think these decklists could go a long way as evidence against the
> (false) perceived need for big investment in cards in order to build
> competitive decks.
>
> If we can figure out some fair way to determine whose decklist is best,
> I'll mail that person some cards, including one each of the last few
> Mariana Gilbert and Dan Murdock's in my promo box, from the Buonocore
> Stash.
Deck Name :
There is room for all of God's Creatures, Right beside my mashed
potatoes.
Author : Norman S. Brown Jr
Description :
This deck is made from 1 Malkavian Antitribu Black Hand Starter and 1
Brujah Antitribu 3rd Edition Starter.
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 3 max: 10 average: 7.17
------------------------------------------------------------
2x Armin Brenner 10 CEL FOR POT PRE ani obf archbishop !
Brujah:4
2x Hektor 9 CEL POT PRE QUI for priscus !
Brujah:4
1x Aristotle de Laure 9 AUS DEM OBF PRE pot !
Malkavian:3
1x Marcel de Breau 9 CEL POT PRE ani pro archbishop !
Brujah:3
1x Urraca 7 ANI CEL POT pre bishop !
Brujah:4
1x Shawnda Dorrit 6 CEL obt pot pre priscus !
Brujah:4
1x Colonel, The 5 AUS cel dem obf !
Malkavian:3
1x General Perfidio D 5 AUS dem obf bishop !
Malkavian:3
1x Alessandro Garcia 4 pot pre pro !
Brujah:4
1x Smash 3 pot pre !
Brujah:4
Library [90 cards]
------------------------------------------------------------
Action [1]
1x Aranthebes, The Immortal
Action Modifier [21]
1x Alacrity
1x Aura of Invincibility
5x Bewitching Oration
3x Bribes
4x Cloak the Gathering
1x Faceless Night
3x Iron Glare
1x Lost in Crowds
2x Voter Captivation
Action Modifier/Reaction [2]
2x Scalpel Tongue
Combat [23]
3x Acrobatics
1x Fast Hands
5x Flash
1x Increased Strength
3x Nimble Feet
2x Taste of Vitae
2x Torn Signpost
6x Undead Strength
Equipment [3]
2x Leather Jacket
1x Sengir Dagger
Master [13]
1x Amusement Park Hunting Ground
4x Blood Doll
1x Celerity
1x Creepshow Casino
1x Dummy Corporation
1x Guru
2x Malkavian Game
1x Potence
1x Powerbase: Madrid
Political Action [15]
1x Cardinal Benediction
1x Consanguineous Boon
1x Disputed Territory
1x Dogs of War
11x Kine Resources Contested
Reaction [12]
2x Eagle's Sight
1x Enhanced Senses
3x Forced Awakening
2x On the Qui Vive
1x Spirit's Touch
3x Telepathic Misdirection
Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Mon Mar 05 00:05:44 2007]
Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown, Jr
XZealot
Archon of the Swamp
Ector
Fabio 'Sooner' Macedo:
> Oops. It seems I've started the crypt with TWO Anathema decks and
> ended up with 1x more copy of Mata Hari, Wolfgang and Rabbat than what
> is really available.
> This requires some changes in the last deck (basically, take Rebirth
> and the Slum HG out and insert 2x Bribes, since now the crypt is short
> of 1 titled, 2 Nosferatu and 2 Red List vampires). Here's the correct
> version:
>
only one basic Count Germaine and one advanced in the Anathema
starter :( Sorry for pointing this...
Yours,
Ector
The Name Forgotten
must be followed, but normally when using sealed deck product things
are different.
Anyway, here's the deck I built from 2 Gangrel Anarch Starters:
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 3 max: 11 average: 7.34
------------------------------------------------------------
2x Stanislava 11 ANI CEL DOM FOR PRO inner circle
Gangrel:2
2x Xaviar 10 ANI FOR PRO aus cel pot 2 votes
Gangrel:3
2x Ingrid Rossler 9 ANI FOR PRO dom prince
Gangrel:2
2x Beckett 7 ANI FOR PRO cel
Gangrel:3
2x Chandler Hungerfor 3 PRO
Gangrel:2
1x Lord Ashton 5 ANI for pro
Gangrel:3
1x Panagos Levidis 3 ani obf
Gangrel:2
Library [90 cards]
------------------------------------------------------------
Action [10]
2x Army of Rats
6x Bum's Rush
2x Tier of Souls
Action Modifier [10]
2x Dawn Operation
2x Earth Control
2x Freak Drive
2x Kiss of Ra, The
2x Uncontrollable Rage
Combat [40]
6x Bone Spur
2x Canine Horde
4x Carrion Crows
2x Drawing Out the Beast
4x Earth Meld
2x Flesh of Marble
4x Form of Mist
4x Scorpion Sting
4x Skin of Night
4x Superior Mettle
4x Unflinching Persistence
Equipment [2]
2x Laptop Computer
Master [13]
1x Backways
4x Blood Doll
2x Fame
2x Gangrel Revel
2x Haven Uncovered
2x Rötschreck
Reaction [8]
4x Cats' Guidance
4x Rat's Warning
Retainer [7]
2x Dog Pack
1x Owl Companion
4x Raven Spy
It's a wall/rush combat deck. I must admit I was disappointed by the
lack of presses in this starter, but you should be able to nab most
vamps in the first round anyway. Only good consistent prevention will
save most vamps, and then they'll probably still be eating the drawing
and carrion crow damage. Certainly not the most powerful deck out
there, but definitely fun to play, and can potentially do quite well.
My advice to people on a tight budget who want to play a powerful
competitive deck is to go for a stealth bleed deck.
The Lasombra
<tex...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>No mention of grouping rules? I assume, given the context that they
>must be followed, but normally when using sealed deck product things
>are different.
The resulting deck must be playable in a standard constructed
tournament. The grouping rule is inherent in that environment. There
is absolutely no reason to mention it separately.
"Using only the cards contained in two precon starters
of your choice, generate a decklist you think would be
competitive in a mid-size constructed tournament (not a
qualifier or championship, but assume strong local players,
and, say 20 participants)."
http://www.thelasombra.com/dbc/dbc.htm
atomweaver
news:qpomu296om4uk2ild...@4ax.com:
> Or, I'll make you famous:
>
> http://www.TheLasombra.com/dbc/dbc.htm
>
> http://www.TheLasombra.com/whatsnew.htm
>
>
You rock on toast with a side of cool, Jeff. Thanks!
DaveZ
AW
Slytherin
Deck Name: Setite_Toreader_Blender
Created By: Slytherin (Andy Brown)
Info: 1x Setite (FN) Starter, 1x Toreador (CE) Starter
Crypt: (12)
1x Aisha(G2)
1x Barth(G3)
1x Hadrian Garrick(G2)
1x Hesha Ruhadze(G2)
1x Intisar(G2)
1x Klaus van der Veken(G2)
1x Makarios, The Seducer(G2)
1x Nepata(G2)
1x Radeyah(G2)
1x Saqqaf, Keeper of the Grand Temple of Set(G2)
1x Sir Henry Johnson(G3)
1x Victoria Ash(G2)
Library: (87)
Master: (12)
3x Blood Doll
1x Effective Management
1x Life Boon
1x Obfuscate
1x Opium Den
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Presence
1x Serpentis
1x Society Hunting Ground
1x Temple Hunting Ground
Action: (15)
6x Social Charm
5x Enchant Kindred
2x Mind Numb
1x Form of Corruption
1x Temptation
Action Modifier: (14)
6x Aire of Elation
3x Cloak the Gathering
3x Lost in Crowds
1x Bewitching Oration
1x Bribes
Action Modifier/Combat: (4)
3x Form of the Serpent
1x Swallowed by the Night
Combat: (16)
4x Pursuit
3x Flash
2x Catatonic Fear
2x Staredown
2x Tongue of the Serpent
1x Concealed Weapon
1x Side Strike
1x Sideslip
Equipment: (8)
3x .44 Magnum
2x Leather Jacket
1x Flak Jacket
1x IR Goggles
1x Saturday-Night Special
Political Action: (2)
2x Kine Resources Contested
Reaction: (14)
4x Spirit's Touch
3x Wake with Evening's Freshness
2x Ecstasy
2x Forced Awakening
2x Precognition
1x Enhanced Senses
Retainer: (2)
2x Marijava Ghoul
return.to...@gmail.com
permanent intercept but sadly no permanent combat. Seeds of corruption
to lock down prey, could use governs. There are only 9 dominate cards
so I think It's worh leaving Rebekka and her +1 stealth in.
Crypt: (12 cards )
2 Aisling Sturbridge AUS dom THA 5, Tremere
2 Cohn Rose aus dom pre THA 5, Tremere
2 Muaziz aus dom for THA 7, Tremere
2 Lucas Halton AUS CEL DOM qui THA 10, Tremere, Prince
1 Mustafa Rahman dom 2, Tremere
1 Rebekka AUS pot PRE THA 8, Tremere
1 Blythe Candeleria aus THA 3, Tremere
1 Pieter van Dorn dom pre tha 4, Tremere
Library: (90 cards)
Master (11 cards)
1 Academic Hunting Ground
4 Blood Doll
2 Mob Connections
2 Protracted Investment
1 Wasserschloss Anif, Austria
1 Unnatural Disaster
Action (11 cards)
3 Harass
2 Magic of the Smith
1 Revelations
2 Rutor's Hand
3 Seeds of Corruption
Action Modifier (5 cards)
5 Conditioning
Reaction (26 cards)
4 Deflection
6 Enhanced Senses
8 Forced Awakening
2 Precognition
6 Spirit's Touch
Combat (32 cards)
10 Apportation
2 Blood Fury
2 Blood to Water
4 Fake Out
10 Theft of Vitae
4 Walk of Flame
Retainer (2 cards)
2 Corpse Minion
Equipment (3 cards)
1 Leather Jacket
2 Sport Bike
Bram Vink
1x Beast 7, ani OBF POT !Nosferatu, Rush, +1 Str.
1x Teresita 7, ANI OBF POT !Nosferatu, Seraph, +1 Intercept vs.
Camarilla
1x Kendrick 7, ANI obf POT !Nosferatu, Priscus, look at card in
prey's hand.
1x Nikolaus 7, ani obf POT Nosferatu, Prince, move blood to nos.
1x Murat 7, OBF POT Nosferatu, Prince
1x Calebros 5, ANI obf pot Nosferatu, Prince, older cam vamp can
steal title.
1x Gemini 5, ani OBF pot Nosferatu, move prey's uncon -> pool
1x Christianus Lionel 5, ANI OBF pot !Nosferatu, Elder Library
1x Olivia 5, OBF POT !Nosferatu, Bishop
1x Laurent de Valois 4, ani obf Nosferatu
1x Dani 2, ani !Nosferatu
---
Masters: 9
4x Blood Doll
1x Creep Show
2x Fame
1x Nosferatu Kingdom
1x Steam Tunnels
--
Actions: 13
1x Army of Rats
4x Computer Hacking
3x Night Moves
1x Arson
4x Ambush
--
Action Modifiers: 7
3x Lost in Crowds
3x Spying Mission
1x Elder Impersonation
--
Retainers: 5
4x Raven Spy
1x Owl Companion
--
Combat: 30
5x Carrion Crows
3x Drawing out the Beast
3x Taste of Vitae
5x Increased Strength
1x Canine Horde
1x Disarm
3x Thrown Gate
3x Undead Strength
2x Pushing the Limits
4x Thrown Sewer Lid
--
Equipment: 2
1x Leather Jacket
1x Laptop Computer
--
Combo: 7
7x Swallowed by the Night
--
Reaction: 13
6x Cat's Guidance
7x Guard Dogs
Bram Vink
above is a BH !nos/CE nos starter combination.
The Name Forgotten
> "Using only the cards contained in two precon starters
> of your choice, generate a decklist you think would be
> competitive in a mid-size constructed tournament (not a
> qualifier or championship, but assume strong local players,
> and, say 20 participants)."
* '-' * Should've read the fine print first before asking such a dumb-
ass question.
I'll just go hide under a rock now. 8^)
Slytherin
contact Wes to set us up a non-league game? (Mine's already stored and
ready to go. Whilst the challenge is for a newbie to compet in a 20
person constructed, could be a potential for limited games, hence 5 go
against each other).
Cheers
Andy
legbiter
> All,
>
> Duplicated from another thread, here's a deckbuildingchallengeto you...
>
> generate a decklist you think would be competitive in a mid-size
> local players, and, say 20 participants). Duplicating a starter is
> acceptable. Choosing more recent precons (3rd Ed, LOB, KMW) is preferred
> (but not mandatory). Alternatively, you could choose to substitute the
> content of VTES Player's Kit for one precon. If you've got the stones to
> play it For Real in a sanctioned event, so much the better, let us know how
> you do.
>
> The goals here are
>
> 1) tochallengeyour m@dd deckbuilding skills!!
>
> might look to for inspiration and direction for their own collecting
> efforts.
>
> Also, I think these decklists could go a long way as evidence against the
> (false) perceived need for big investment in cards in order to build
> competitive decks.
>
> If we can figure out some fair way to determine whose decklist is best,
> I'll mail that person some cards, including one each of the last few
> Mariana Gilbert and Dan Murdock's in my promo box, from the Buonocore
> Stash.
>
> DaveZ
> Atom Weaver
Hmmm. Interesting challenge, and good idea!
Here are my contributions:
[1] First Offering: African Insanctus
Ingredients: 2 x Ishtarri Starters
CONCEPT: Your Prey is on Your Left. White Vampires may not be able to
dance, but yours can - so they will either sneak through or survive
combat. Presence stealth-bleed deck with a few extra tricks.
CRYPT: 13 vampires, group 4, all Laibon [Ishtarri]
Ubende 7 Magaji for obf qui CEL PRE x 2
Ganhuru 7 cel pro FOR PRE x 2
Honorine Ateba cel nec 6 FOR PRE x 2
Shasu Abu Badr 5 cel for PRE x 4
Kenyatta 4 cel for pre x 3
MASTER [16 cards including 2 trifles]
Barrens
Blood Doll x 3
Celerity x 2
Fortitude
Information Highway
Life in the City x 2
Misdirection x 2
Port HG
Secret Passage [Oo er missus!]
Sudden Reversal x 2
MINION [74 cards]
ACTIONS [13 cards]
Enchant Kindred x 3
Entrancement x 2
Legal manipulations x 3
Propaganda x 2
Social Charm x 3
ACTION MODIFIER [28 cards]
Alacrity x 6
Change of Target x 4
Daring the Dawn x 2
Forced March x 8
The Kiss of Ra
Uncontrolled Impulse x 7
COMBAT [28 cards]
Catatonic Fear x 3
Hidden Strength x 8
Majesty x 3
Sideslip x 4
Sidestrike x 8
Vampiric Speed x 2
COMBO [1 card]
Ishtarri Kholo
EQUIPMENT [2 cards]
Kerrie
Reliquary: Biague
RETAINERS [2 cards]
Marijava Ghoul x 2
[2] Second Offering: Violent Toolbox
Ingredients: !Brujah + Gangs Precons
CONCEPT: Your Prey is Still on Your Left, but now you can reach out to
touch others, if needs be. Weeny-ish potence enlivened by celerity and
presence.
CRYPT [12 vampires, group 2/3]
Amelia !Bru 7 CEL POT PRE Bishop, +1 stealth rush on wee vampires
Richter, Templar of Du Mont !Bru 7 for pre CEL POT +1 strength
Pug Jackson 6 for pre CEL POT Bru Primogen
Sela 6 Bishop !Bru cel obt POT PRE special +1 bleed
Rigby, Crusade Vanguard !Bru 5 aus pot CEL PRE pointless special
Hugo 4 pre vic POT !Bru -1 intercept against Las/Tzi
Victor Tolliver 4 pot CEL !Bru
Darva Felispa 3 ani pot Nos
David Morgan, The Scourge 3 aus pot Mal +1 intercept against little
guys
Gengis 3 aus cel pot Bru special
Jacob Bragg 3 cel pot !Bru
Eddie Gaines dem pot 1 sleeps after meals
MASTERS [18 cards]
Amusement Park HG
The Barrens
Blood Doll x 4
Celerity x 2
The Coven
Direct Intervention
Fame
Haven Uncovered x 2
Mob Connections
Potence x 2
Sudden Reversal
Tribute to the Master
MINION [72 cards]
ACTIONS [15 cards]
Ambush x 6
Bum's Rush x 2
Enchant Kindred x 3
Harass
Legal Manipulations x 2
Social Charm
COMBAT [41 cards]
Acrobatics
Blur x 3
Burning Wrath
Decapitate
Fake Out
Fast Hands x 2
Flash x 4
Immortal Grapple
Lightning Reflexes
Pulled Fangs x 2
Pursuit x 4
Pushing the Limit x 3
Sacrament of Carnage x 2
Sideslip
Taste of Vitae
Thrown Sewer Lid x 3
Torn Signpost x 2
Trap x 2
Undead Strength x 6
EQUIPMENT [8 cards]
.45 Magnum
Gas-Powered Chainsaw
Hawg
Laptop Computer
Leather Jacket
Meat Cleaver
Sawed-Off Shotgun
Wooden Stake
POLITICAL ACTION [1 card]
Autarkis Persecution
REACTION [6 cards]
Forced Awakening
Pack Tactics
Wake with Evening's Freshness x 4
RETAINER [1 card]
Mr Winthrop
To any hypothetical new person I would suggest playing them in the
order given - ie familiarise yourself with deck 1, and then move on to
deck 2.
atomweaver
news:1173796066....@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com:
>
> Hmmm. Interesting challenge, and good idea!
>
> Here are my contributions:
>
Thanks, Leggy.
I am thinking a simple points-based system for evaluating success in
acheiving the goals of the deckbuilidng challenge, weighted about 1/4 for
fulfilling the technical obligations of the challenge, and 1/2 for
effectiveness and ease of use to new players, with a final 1/4 for style
(the Iron Chef standard for judging is in effect here, 10 points for taste,
5 for originality in use of the secret ingredient, and 5 for plating).
I'll be getting fabulous prizes and a panel of illustrious judges together
shortly, so keep those submissions coming, everyone!!
Regards
DaveZ
Atom Weaver
ati...@gmail.com
Ishtarri starter works as a base and about twenty cards (plus some
vampires) come from the Anathema starter. Both are from recent sets
and their prices are reasonable due to not having any real power rares
printed in them. There's no reaction cards so it's pretty much just
bleed, bleed and bleed. There's four vampires in the crypt that can
use the obfuscate stealth cards. Discipline master are there to give a
vampire a chance to play superior Forced March. Pool gain from dolls
(and possibly Restorations), bleeds and hopefully speed. Enchant down
for more. Combat is there simply for survival.
Possible tweaks:
- More stealth from Alacrity (although expensive)
- For light vote defence there Ishtarri Kholo, 3x Mob Rule and 3x
Scalpel Tongue available (maybe with wakes)
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 8 average: 5.75
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2x Ubende 7 CEL PRE for obf qui magaji Ishtarri:4
2x Honorine Ateba 6 FOR PRE cel nec Ishtarri:4
2x Shasa Abu Badr 5 PRE cel for Ishtarri:4
2x Kenyatta 4 cel for pre Ishtarri:4
1x Count Germaine 8 CEL FOR POT PRE obf Brujah:4
1x Count Germaine Adv 8 CEL FOR POT PRE obf Brujah:4
1x Ganhuru 7 FOR PRE cel pro Ishtarri:4
1x Jayne Jonestown 2 PRE !Brujah:4
Library [72 cards]
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Action [19]
8x Enchant Kindred
1x Entrancement
3x Legal Manipulations
2x Restoration
5x Social Charm
Action Modifier [19]
2x Aire of Elation
2x Approximation of Loyalty
2x Change of Target
6x Forced March
1x Forgotten Labyrinth
1x Kiss of Ra, The
5x Uncontrolled Impulse
Action Modifier/Combat [3]
3x Swallowed by the Night
Combat [15]
2x Catatonic Fear
4x Hidden Strength
2x Majesty
2x Side Strike
2x Sideslip
1x Skin of Steel
2x Soak
Equipment [2]
2x Kerrie
Master [13]
1x Barrens, The
4x Blood Doll
1x Celerity
1x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Fortitude
3x Life in the City
1x Secret Passage
1x Sudden Reversal
Retainer [1]
1x Marijava Ghoul
---
Antti
wumpus
I couldn't let this thread slip away into oblivion without my humble
contribution, which, notably, is not a mashup of two !Ventrue
precons. (That is left as an exercise for the reader. It's not hard,
but the result isn't a lot better than one !Ventrue precon, and that's
not real great. A little more Seduction & Govern, and maybe a few
Freak Drive, though, and it would be pretty close to a standard
kitchen sink bleeder.)
Here you go:
Deck Name: Set of Ventrue Precon Mashup
Created By: Alex Broadhead
Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 19, Max: 40, Avg: 7.66)
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1 Hadrian Garrick obf pre 4 Followers of Set
1 Nepata obf pre ser 4 Followers of Set
1 Ranjan Rishi DOM for PRE 5 Ventrue
1 Hesha Ruhadze obf pre SER 6 Followers of Set
1 Kephamos dom obf pre SER 8 Followers of Set
1 Amisa OBF pre SER 8 Followers of Set
1 Intisar OBF PRE SER 8 Followers of Set
1 Saqqaf for OBF PRE SER 9 Followers of Set
1 Suhailah FOR OBF ser 9 Ventrue
1 Queen Anne DOM FOR obf PRE 10 Ventrue
1 Kemintiri dom OBF PRE SER 10 Followers of Set
1 Arika DOM FOR OBF PRE 11 Ventrue
Library: (90 cards)
-------------------
Master (15 cards)
2 Blood Doll
1 Information Highway
1 Minion Tap
2 Misdirection
1 Opium Den
1 Pentex Subversion
1 Presence
1 Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The
1 Secure Haven
3 Short-Term Investment
1 Temple Hunting Ground
Action (19 cards)
1 Blackmail
1 Dominate Kine
3 Enchant Kindred
1 Form of Corruption
1 Intimidation
1 Lure of the Serpent
4 Mind Numb
6 Social Charm
1 Temptation
Action Modifier (23 cards)
3 Aire of Elation
4 Bewitching Oration
2 Bonding
2 Bribes
3 Cloak the Gathering
1 Elder Impersonation
2 Freak Drive
3 Lost in Crowds
2 Seduction
1 Voter Captivation
Political Action (8 cards)
2 Banishment
5 Conservative Agitation
1 Disputed Territory
Reaction (8 cards)
2 Forced Awakening
3 Redirection
3 Wake with Evening`s Freshness
Combat (10 cards)
1 Catatonic Fear
4 Majesty
2 Staredown
3 Tongue of the Serpent
Retainer (1 cards)
1 Marijava Ghoul
Equipment (2 cards)
1 Leather Jacket
1 Mummy`s Tongue
Combo (4 cards)
3 Form of the Serpent
1 Swallowed by the Night
This deck was last saved at 2:55:45 PM on 3/21/2007
Description:
Yeah, sure, you could just take two CE Ventrue precons and come up
with something that would look more polished, but I think this should
be more interesting. Well, if you consider stealth bleed/vote
interesting, that is...
I took the FoS crypt, removed the non-obf Followers (+ Dedefra), and
added the obf Ventrue (+ Ranjan). Suhailah is a hard call, as she has
no pre; I left in the one Presence master. It's a five discipline
deck, though the only Fortitude is a couple Freak Drive for the
surge. There's not a lot of Dominate or Serpentis use either, leaving
it pretty much OBF/PRE centered.
>From there, I put in basically all the stealth, tap, and
unblockability cards. There are plenty of very good actions, both
bleed and vote. (I left out the PTO, but there are two Banishment!)
There's a decent amount of bloat (though obviously the Short-Terms
would rather be other masters), a decent amount of S:CE, and token
bounce. The crypt is kinda big, but it should be playable, I think.
Hope that helps,
Alex
Teeka
I'm teaching my friends the game right now. We did a few tryout games
using some all-common card promo decks I found on lasombra.com. One of
my friends really liked the Gangrel deck, so I bought her the !Gangrel
PD (the shop didn't have the CE Gangrel deck) for her birthday. I then
thought, you know what, since she likes animalism best, I'll get her
the Nosferatu (CE) deck as well..
It's been established in my other thread, however, that both of these
suck eggs and I feel kinda bad about getting her exactly these 2
decks. Is anyone of you perhaps able to make an ok deck out of these
2 ? It would be very much appreciated.
thanks,
Teeka
Meej
I'm not sure whether this is *that* much better than either of the two
decks it's built from - it would have been really nice if either deck
had
included some sort of bleed booster.
But basically, it's a stealthed-little-bleeds deck with some aggpoke/
ani
rush - ani/obf/pro with just a *touch* of pot for some surprises.
Use at your own risk, though - it's gotten rid of the chaff cards,
and
trimmed things down so that most of the crypt can play most of the
cards,
and knows what it's trying to do, but that doesn't make it decent. :-)
Deck Name: "When Life Gives you CE Nos & KMW !Gan, Make Lemonade."
Created by: D.J. Chagnon
1 Calebros ANI obf pot 5, Nosferatu, Prince
1 Daliyah obf PRO 4, Nosferatu
1 Gemini ani OBF obt pot 5, Nosferatu
1 Ellison Humboldt ANI OBF POT PRE pro 9, Nosferatu,
Primogen
1 Laurent de Valois ani dom obf 4, Nosferatu
1 Regilio aus obf 3, Nosferatu
1 Denette Stensen obf 2, Gangrel
Antitribu
1 Enkidu for ANI CEL OBF POT PRO 11, Gangrel
Antitribu
1 Harry Reese cel obf FOR PRO 6, Gangrel
Antitribu
1 Mitru the Hunter ani for CEL OBF PRO 8, Gangrel
Antitribu
1 Phillipe Rigaud ani aus obt DOM OBF PRO 7, Gangrel
Antitribu
1 Skryta Zyleta obf pot pro CEL 5, Gangrel
antitribu
Master (13 cards)
1 Archon Investigation
5 Blood Doll
1 Campground Hunting Ground
1 Dreams of the Sphinx
1 Major Boon
1 Protean
1 Secret Horde
1 Slum Hunting Ground
1 Talons of the Dead
Action (14 cards)
3 Ambush
1 Army of Rats
1 Arson
3 Bum's Rush
4 Computer Hacking
1 Sacrificial Lamb
1 Shadow of the Beast
Action Modifier (9 cards)
2 Forgotten Labyrinth
4 Lost in Crowds
3 Spying Mission
Reaction (15 cards)
3 Cats' Guidance
3 Confusion of the Eye
1 Delaying Tactics
4 Guard Dogs
2 Sonar
2 Wake with Evening`s Freshness
Combat (31 cards)
3 Aid from Bats
3 Behind You!
1 Canine Horde
2 Carrion Crows
5 Claws of the Dead
2 Fake Out
3 Flesh of Marble
2 Form of Mist
3 Leathery Hide
3 Pushing the Limit
2 Scorpion Sting
1 Song of Serenity
1 Taste of Vitae
Ally (1 cards)
1 Black Spiral Buddy
Retainer (3 cards)
1 Owl Companion
2 Raven Spy
Equipment (1 cards)
1 Sport Bike
Combo (3 cards)
3 Swallowed by the Night
Bram Vink
The nosferatu CE deck is probably one of the best decks to play.
I'm pretty sure there's an ok deck in here, let me get the lists.
Crypt:
1x Denette Stensen. 2, obf
1x Mitru, the Hunter. 8, OBF CEL PRO ani for
2x Jeffry Mullins. 4, OBF cel
1x Skryta. 5, obf pro pot CEL
1x Calebros. 5, obf ANI pot
1x Daliyah. 4, obf PRO
1x Regilio. 3, obf
1x Nikolaus. 7, obf ani POT for
1x Gemini. 5, OBF ani pot for
1x Laurent. 4, ani obf
1x Harry Reese. 6, cel obf PRO FOR
--
Masters:
5x Blood Doll
1x Archon Investigation
1x Major Boon
1x Protean
1x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Slum Hunting Ground
-- 10
Actions:
2x Flurry of Action
1x Force of Will
1x Shadow of the Beast
4x Computer Hacking
3x Night Moves
1x Army of Rats
1x Arson
-- 13
Action Modifiers:
6x Lost in Crowds
3x Spying Mission
3x Swallowed by the Night
-- 12
Reactions:
3x Confusion of the Eye
2x Sonar
2x Wake with Evening's Freshness
4x Guard Dogs
-- 11
2x Form of Mist
2x Claws of the Dead
3x Behind You
3x Fake Out
3x Aid from Bats
3x Leathery Hide
2x Soak
2x Superior Mettle
3x Stutter Step
1x Terror Frenzy
-- 24
2x Raven Spy
--2
72 cards.
How to play: Your minions should be reasonably safe in combat.
Use the blood dolls, bleed with stealth, hunt for more pool and
minions.
Remember to gain a lot of pool. ;)
Cheers,
B
Teeka
> > Use at your own risk, though - it's gotten rid of the chaff cards,
> and
> trimmed things down so that most of the crypt can play most of the
> cards,
> and knows what it's trying to do, but that doesn't make it decent. :-)
>
Thanks! Will try it out tonight!
Teeka
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