Q: Undying Thirst on empty vampire
Petri Wessman
some clarification.
Vampire A has Undying Thirst, and is also empty. There is another
vampire B (controlled by someone else) in torpor. It's A's player's
turn.
How exactly does UT work here? What choices are there for A? The
interpretation of UT's text was a bit unclear here, at least to us.
- does "must hunt" override the "cannot take any action other than
diablerie" clause? In other words, is A's choice between hunt or
diablerie of B?
or
- is A's choice between diablerie and doing nothing (staying untapped
with zero blood)?
In either case: is A's action considered a mandatory one (one that has
to be taken before other non-mandatory minion actions)?
- - -
Undying Thirst: Only usable when a Baali successfully blocks (play
before combat, if any).
Put this card on the acting vampire. When there are any vampires in
torpor that this vampire can diablerize, this vampire cannot take any
action other than diablerie (although he or she is free not to take
any action). If this vampire must hunt, he or she may choose to
diablerize a vampire instead.
//Petri
LSJ
> Ok, this came up in one of our games a few days ago, and we'd like
> some clarification.
>
> Vampire A has Undying Thirst, and is also empty. There is another
> vampire B (controlled by someone else) in torpor. It's A's player's
> turn.
>
> How exactly does UT work here? What choices are there for A? The
> interpretation of UT's text was a bit unclear here, at least to us.
>
> - does "must hunt" override the "cannot take any action other than
> diablerie" clause? In other words, is A's choice between hunt or
> diablerie of B?
Yes.
> - is A's choice between diablerie and doing nothing (staying untapped
> with zero blood)?
No. He must hunt (or diablerize).
> In either case: is A's action considered a mandatory one (one that has
> to be taken before other non-mandatory minion actions)?
Mandatory.
Salem
> Petri Wessman wrote:
>> Ok, this came up in one of our games a few days ago, and we'd like
>> some clarification.
>>
>> Vampire A has Undying Thirst, and is also empty. There is another
>> vampire B (controlled by someone else) in torpor. It's A's player's
>> turn.
>>
>> How exactly does UT work here? What choices are there for A? The
>> interpretation of UT's text was a bit unclear here, at least to us.
>>
>> - does "must hunt" override the "cannot take any action other than
>> diablerie" clause? In other words, is A's choice between hunt or
>> diablerie of B?
>
> Yes.
>
>> - is A's choice between diablerie and doing nothing (staying untapped
>> with zero blood)?
>
> No. He must hunt (or diablerize).
I thought if a minion had two mandatory actions, the minion could take
neither, and were 'stuck' until something changed?
--
salem
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> LSJ wrote:
> > Petri Wessman wrote:
> >> Ok, this came up in one of our games a few days ago, and we'd like
> >> some clarification.
>
> >> Vampire A has Undying Thirst, and is also empty. There is another
> >> vampire B (controlled by someone else) in torpor. It's A's player's
> >> turn.
>
> >> How exactly does UT work here? What choices are there for A? The
> >> interpretation of UT's text was a bit unclear here, at least to us.
>
> >> - does "must hunt" override the "cannot take any action other than
> >> diablerie" clause? In other words, is A's choice between hunt or
> >> diablerie of B?
>
> > Yes.
>
> >> - is A's choice between diablerie and doing nothing (staying untapped
> >> with zero blood)?
>
> > No. He must hunt (or diablerize).
>
> I thought if a minion had two mandatory actions, the minion could take
> neither, and were 'stuck' until something changed?
>
> --
> salem
UT's card text makes it an exception: "If this vampire must hunt, he
LSJ
> On 14 joulu, 12:13, Salem <kella...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I thought if a minion had two mandatory actions, the minion could take
>> neither, and were 'stuck' until something changed?
>
> or she may choose to
> diablerize a vampire instead. "
And, if he were empty, there'd be no vampires in torpor he could diablerize,
since empty vampires without that clause cannot diablerize.
Chris Berger
diablerie and hunting, and then further says that they must diablerize
if they are able to - I thought the two stipulations combined means
they are required to commit diablerie if they must hunt. My first
impression of the card matches your ruling that they really do get the
choice, but was hoping it worked the other, more convoluted and also
more fun, way... ;)
Ruben Feldman
than being able to stay untapped say)?
LSJ
> I'm guessing an empty vampire with humanitas and UT must hunt (rather
> than being able to stay untapped say)?
Yeah.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/77678083bd2cefd2