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[LSJ] Justicar title tied to Camarilla status or Clan ?

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Jyhad_addict

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Aug 31, 2004, 7:13:57 PM8/31/04
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If a malkavian antitribu plays derange on a Tremere Justicar, then it
becomes sabbat and thus loses his justicar title.
But if a malkavian plays derange on the Tremere Justicar, then:

a. does he lose his title, because he can't be malkavian and tremere
justicar at the same time ?

b. does he retain his title as Tremere Justicar ?

c. does he become Malkavian justicar ?

Colin McGuigan

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Aug 31, 2004, 7:22:00 PM8/31/04
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Jyhad_addict wrote:

> If a malkavian antitribu plays derange on a Tremere Justicar, then it
> becomes sabbat and thus loses his justicar title.
> But if a malkavian plays derange on the Tremere Justicar, then:
>
> a. does he lose his title, because he can't be malkavian and tremere
> justicar at the same time ?

He loses the title, but not for the reason given. Justicar titles are
clan-based (the only clan-based title, I believe), so if you change to
another clan, you lose the title.

Unless the Tremere Justicar gains a new title while Deranged, or someone
else becomes Tremere Justicar in the meantime, he will resume the title
of Tremere Justicar when/if the Derange is moved, though.

--Colin McGuigan

Gregory Stuart Pettigrew

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Aug 31, 2004, 10:27:30 PM8/31/04
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> He loses the title, but not for the reason given. Justicar titles are
> clan-based (the only clan-based title, I believe), so if you change to
> another clan, you lose the title.
>

They're ALSO sect-based. You have to be a Camarilla Tremere to be Tremere
Justicar.

Jyhad_addict

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Sep 1, 2004, 4:29:58 AM9/1/04
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Colin McGuigan <magu...@BGONEspeakeasy.net> wrote in message news:<n5SdnR5PTrF...@speakeasy.net>...

> Jyhad_addict wrote:
>
> > If a malkavian antitribu plays derange on a Tremere Justicar, then it
> > becomes sabbat and thus loses his justicar title.
> > But if a malkavian plays derange on the Tremere Justicar, then:
> >
> > a. does he lose his title, because he can't be malkavian and tremere
> > justicar at the same time ?
>
> He loses the title, but not for the reason given. Justicar titles are
> clan-based (the only clan-based title, I believe), so if you change to
> another clan, you lose the title.
>

but htis is what i mean, i thought that justicar title should be clan-based.

anyway, thanks.

LSJ

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Sep 1, 2004, 7:28:15 AM9/1/04
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They are.
See section 10.1 of the rules:
"Only Camarilla vampires can be primogen, princes, justicars or Inner
Circle members. Additionally, clan justicar titles can only be held by a
vampire of the appropriate clan."


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