Which is the best crypt for a corruption deck?
Dr. Enrique Monta?o
enough copies of the corruption card + temptations and some FoC.
Which are the best vamps to make the deck??
Thanks for the help.
Enrique
Wes
"Dr. Enrique Monta?o" <take...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> I have always wanted to make a corruption based deck, I finally have
> enough copies of the corruption card + temptations and some FoC.
> Which are the best vamps to make the deck??
Wow. Setites are popular lately. I attribute this solely to anticipation for
my upcoming newsletter, to be posted later tonight. Be patient folks...
everything in time!
Personally, I don't like Corruption as a strategy. It takes too long and the
amount of resources expended to steal vampires is prohibitive. Using one
Corruption card to steal a Caitiff or Pander is acceptable, but playing 11
Corruption cards to grab Arika is ridiculous. That's 11 cards you did not
put in your deck to make room for those Corruptions.
It's also 11 actions that could have been bleeds, ie enough to probably oust
the Arika player. At this point you have to ask yourself whether you'd
rather oust said player or steal her star vampire. Myself, I'd rather oust
her. That's the ultimate "denial" in this game... and I ain't talking about
a river in Egypt folks!
Temptation is another matter. Temptation can be a great and versatile card,
if played correctly. Play it on your predator's vampires 95.3% of the time,
as they are much more permanent that way. Play it on low-to-mid capacity
vampires, preferrably those who tend to have less blood on them. This will
ensure that you gain control of them more often. While a tempted Arika (to
use the above example) might be nice, if you're waiting 10 or 11 turns to
get her, you have to ask yourself if it is really worth it. If however Arika
spends most of the game at 1 blood, then by all means go a' temptin.
As for the best vampires for both of these cards... well, for Corruption age
does not matter so in general you would want the youngest Setites available,
unless you go the Venenation route which is probably wise.
You might also want to take advantage of certain specials like Kahina,
Khay'Tall and Nefertiti but that is an expensive proposition with meagre
returns. Nefertiti is the most promising as she can take away some of the
need for Corruption cards in your library but at 10 capacity, that's an
expensive investment. Some of the Baali cards also take advantage of
Corruption counters, but that would require playing Baali, which will likely
hurt you more than help you.
I hope this has been of assistance to you. We Followers of Set are always
more than happy to assist our fellow Kindred, despite the vicious and untrue
slanders attributed to our clan. You can always return this favour by
agreeing to assist us in some future task, to be determined later. A boon,
shall we say? *licks lips with serpentine tongue*
Cheers,
WES
Colin McGuigan
> Personally, I don't like Corruption as a strategy. It takes too long and the
> amount of resources expended to steal vampires is prohibitive. Using one
> Corruption card to steal a Caitiff or Pander is acceptable, but playing 11
> Corruption cards to grab Arika is ridiculous. That's 11 cards you did not
> put in your deck to make room for those Corruptions.
This is true. I was once playing Toreador fattie, as is my wont, and my
predator was a corruption deck. I bring out Alexandra, and my predator
sighs, but figures, he'll dig in anyway. What else is he going to do?
Some time later, Alexandra has 8 corruption counters on her, and I have
7 pool. I took great pleasure in pointing out that if those Corruptions
had been Night Moves, he'd've ousted me.
--Colin McGuigan
Orpheus
Another example, no later than last friday night :
my predator in the second game (who played my prey in the first but lost
most of his minions before he could do any real damage...) corrupts, and
corrupts, and corrupts ; he chose Villon, because he came out first and
because the vile Setite himself got tempted by the Power. ;-)
I first make him lose 6 pool in a turn as a warning with KRCs. He keeps on
corrupting. So I change place. I would have killed him right away if he
didn't use a Minion Tap right before my change of places, but then I chose
him as my grand'prey and finally won the game.
All the 8 counters Villon ended up with were useless. Sure, bleeds I could
have deflected at least partially, but they would have had an incidence on
the end of the game. The corruption counters were just totally lost.
Villon is Untouchable ! ;-))
--
Orpheus, from his Mausoleum, Massilia
Hollowboy
> I have always wanted to make a corruption based deck, I finally have
> enough copies of the corruption card + temptations and some FoC.
> Which are the best vamps to make the deck??
Basically, all the little ones.
I have seen it done two ways:
ser weenies plus OBF midcaps. Embrace lots, use inherent stealth, form
of the Serpent and Cloak the Gathering to pull the corruptions off.
The deck seemed to contain 40 or 50 Corruptions, and recouped via
Khobar Towers.
I think it doubled up on the weenies and the smaller OBF guys.
That was before Embrace got nuked.
I recently built a variant, which is (from memory):
Basil, Dimple, Normal and all the FoS weenies / midcaps (favouring
those with OBF for cloaking). I think my doubles are Celine and
Lalitha. It's my only FoS deck without Hesha!
Every Brainwash I own (about 20)
Every Corruption I own (I think 24 - I gave quite a few away)
3 Summon the serpent
14 (I think) stealth cards
Gambit Accepted
Info Highway
Bleed Galore
Tutu the doubly Evil one (extra bleeder and mild defence rolled into
one)
...and that's it. Basically, it's not as easy to turbo-corrupt, as it
was before Embrace was nuked. Summon the Serpent is my faux-Embrace (I
use it to fetch the weenies), and the Brainwashes and bleed are there
so that I can corrupt at leisure - I only need to corrupt the little
guys, cos the big ones never get out.
After the first VP, the deck is pretty screwed, with Gambit Accepted
about the only thing it has going for it.
I only played it once, and managed to fluke a sweep, but it made my
prey cranky. I'm not sure if that's worth it.
Wes
"Hollowboy" <icantbelievehollow...@hotmail.com> wrote
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> but it made my
> prey cranky.
Is it just me, or is this a common theme with a lot of Setite decks?
Cheers,
WES
Daniel Figueiredo
Yup... just forget about Corruption. Or play it 110% for fun, as
the only corruption decks that will work to some degree are weenie
corruption decks with 25+ corruptions on the deck, and a few
venenations to boot... As the local authority on Setites around here,
I have long since given up trying to win with Corruption decks. (last
time I did was before the original Sabbat expansion came out) Final
Nights gave us Setites some other options, but Serpentis is still the
crappiest independent discipline out there. Don´t tell me Quietus is.
At least it´s focused and does better in combat than Serpentis does at
stealing vamps, allies or retainers... And we still have Eyes of the
Serpent, Mummify, Phobia, Tainted Vitae, Mummy´s Tongue and best of
all... The Grand Temple of Set!!! wohoo... Grave Robbing is becoming
more popular by the minute and add Mind Rape to that and Dominate is
as good as Serpentis for vamp stealing. Not to mention Malk decks with
Derange and Malkavian Dementia that can steal faster and do some very
nasty stuff like Golconda, Social Ladder, etc...
Now seriously, try and build a Temptation deck with some Form of
Corruptions, and the rest you can change to suit your metagame and/or
preferences, like vote, anarch vote, ser/pot combat, ser/for bleed,
obf/pre bleed etc..
If you really want to build a corruption deck, have at least 2
Nefertiti in your crypt, she won´t steal the vamps, but she reduces
the number of Corruption/Venenations you will need. A Sargon Fragment
does the trick as well if you don´t want to pay 10pool for Nefertiti,
but then you waste even more actions getting your Corruptions back.
Unless you put in Synesios with a Clotho´s Gift with that Sargon
Fragment so he can get your Corruptions back and untap to do something
else or block. Rutor´s Hand is also an option, as some Setites have
Thaumaturgy, just don´t use Kemintiri, she´s the worst 10cap in the
game. 10pool for a vampire with no special power whatsoever unless
your prey has Vantrue. And if someone else has Ventrue, she gets a
special ability along with a drawback... Sometimes I wonder if it´s
faith alone in the Dark god that keeps us in the Jyhad.. hehe...
My 2cents.
Daniel Figueiredo.
V:EKN Prince of Campinas, São Paulo
salem
scrawled:
My most hated card to see used against me is Temptation.
hatehatehatehate.
it should require a MPA to put the counter on it, i feel. :)
salem
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DerekCastor
Here is an option.
I play a corruption deck with protean.
Setites with pro + Gangrels with Serpentis
Neshi 4 Nadia 2 ........
10 FoC
15 Venenation
15 form of mist
10 Earth meld
+ other poolgaining cards : )~
If your prey try to blokk play Venenation, then Form of Mist, put Corruption.
Have a nice game.
tHamas
Wes
"salem" <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote
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> My most hated card to see used against me is Temptation.
> hatehatehatehate.
>
> it should require a MPA to put the counter on it, i feel. :)
Nah... don't take away one of the few power cards we have! It's not like
Setites win a lot or anything.
Cheers,
WES
Azel
using Corruptions. Honestly if you really think about it, this angle isn't
really an ousting method, just resource gain/denial. It can be very useful
resource gain/denial, but you have to keep a sensible ousting method as the
focus.
Considering just about any FoS can use Venenation, because almost all have
[ser], and that by inherently being FoS you have access to Corruption you
have quite a range to choose from. Just take an ousting strategy and throw
in a couple of these cards to steal someone's low cap. And considering how
common low caps are I seriously doubt you'd have to wait for long for one to
show up in a 3-5 player game.
So pick a strategy, bleed, poli, combat, maybe intercept, make a 70-80 card
deck and run with it. When you find a proper mix tack on some mix of
Venenation, Corruption, FoC, or Temptation that complements.
I'd still call your deck a corruption deck if it steals 3-4 vamps in a game,
even if it is stealth/bleed ousting method - if that makes you feel any
better.
ps: and don't poo poo stealing a few lower capped vampires. they've won many
a game just by their inherent 1 bleed alone, nothing to say about their
chump block and sacrificial diablerie potential. it's better to have that on
your side than your opponents.
Wouter Kuyper
> hatehatehatehate.
I played a very funny game yesterday on Deckbot. I had a temptation on
my prey's Khalil, and both prey and predator (3 players left) were
playing Ravnos. Predator played a week of nightmares (to oust his
then-still-present-prey, 4th player)
Steal Khalil, hunt from my predators vamp with one blood. Heidelburg
it off, in preys turn he needs to hunt again, also from predators
vamps. they need to hunt mow too...from my preys vampires.
I also was playing Gregory Winter and Ghouls from the plaza. It really
was blood going everywhere. VERY funny game.
W
Matthew T. Morgan
> All the 8 counters Villon ended up with were useless.
[because of a change in table seating]
That's the worst thing about Corruption. It only targets your prey. If
you could corrupt who you like, then some kind of Corruption/Khay'tall
vote deck might be feasible. As is, Temptation is once again a much
better strategy.
Matt Morgan
Emmit Svenson
> enough copies of the corruption card + temptations and some FoC.
> Which are the best vamps to make the deck??
If you have Venenation, you can make corruption deck without many
Corruptions.
Use a crypt of weenie Setites plus Khay'tall, Kahina and Nefertiti.
Take Serpentis-based actions like Temptation, and if you are blocked,
play Venenation and Change of Target. Minion Tap your big vamps as
they come out, and have them FSR/Voter Cap and Deflect bleeds.
Once you have corruption counters spread around the table, Kahina's
inherent vote will become quite useful and Khay'tall's FSR votes will
pass easily.
You won't steal many vampires, but then again, neither will most
regular Corruption decks.
Good luck!
Reyda
"Matthew T. Morgan" <far...@eris.io.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.44.04020...@eris.io.com...
don't forget that corruption works well on allies controlled by your prey.
I feel that the very existence of Specialization makes Corruption somewhat
much more playable.
Matthew T. Morgan
> don't forget that corruption works well on allies controlled by your prey.
> I feel that the very existence of Specialization makes Corruption somewhat
> much more playable.
Especially if you actually put it in the deck, right? I often find that
cards just existing doesn't really help me much. :)
Matt Morgan
L. Scott Johnson
The existence of Wake netted me a VP in last night's game, even though I had
none in my deck. FWIW.
Unlike Wake, Archon Investigation, Deflection, etc., Specialization doesn't
work so well in the deterrent capability for simply existing, though, that's
true.
kevin scribner
okay... here's what you do...
you build a corruption deck based around kahy'tall, kephamos, and
counte ormonde... maybe nefertiti, too, but only one copy of her, two
of each of the others... the rest of the crypt are weenies...
then you build the library, including just the right number of
corruptions and venenations... be sure to include at least 2 form of
corruption and 2 temptation...
then, and this is the important part: you take all the corruptions
and venenations and your feed them, slowly, into the wood chipper...
if you haven't got one of those, i guess a paper shredder will
suffice...
fill those empty card slots with DOMINATE cards... like deflection,
redirection, conditioning, graverobbing, dominate kine, far mastery,
and that age-old classic, govern the unaligned...
then, at the end of the game, lament of how much more stylish it would
have been to steal all the vampires at the table, instead of stealing
all the victory points...
:)
peace --
-- khs
"eritis sicut dii, scientes bonum et malum..."
Chris Arthur
> >Is it just me, or is this a common theme with a lot of Setite decks?
>
> My most hated card to see used against me is Temptation.
> hatehatehatehate.
>
I've disassembled all my Setite decks but i might just have to create
a new one just for you. :)
C.
salem
scrawled:
i bet you would, too. i'd better rebuild an etrius deck, then, just so
i can get royally screwed.
also, you're not allowed to 2nd judge the aussie nats because i say
so. you need to play so i can make a deal with you and then backstab
you, to show you what fun it is. :D
Guzmo
Description: Corrupt, breed, corrupt more. Use temptations upstream.
Try to survive and get at least one vp. I have never got a single vp
with this stupid deck.
Flaws: No decent bleed/rush defence, limited pool gain, limited
stealth against wall decks.
Mono-corruption is by no mean good winning strategy. It is just the
best anti-weenie strategy (when the weenie player is your prey) :P
Happy corrupting.
Crypt (12):
Nepata 4 (obf, pre, ser) x2
Khalil Anvari 3 (pre, ser) x2
Celine Chevalier 3 (obf, ser) x2
Julius 1 (ser)
Dedefra 5 (SER, nec, obf)
Lalitha 2 (ser) x2
Hardian Garrick 4 (obf, pre, +1 strenght) x2
Masters (11):
Archon Investigation
Extremis Boon
Sudden Reversal
Tribute to the Master x4
Dummy Corporation x2
Opium Den x2
Corruptions (29):
Corruption x29
Sepentis (20):
Form of the Serpent x6
Temptation x6
Form of Corruption x2
Ecstasy x6
Presence (2):
Staredown x2
Misc (24):
High Ground x4
Fake out
Wake x6
Embrace x6
Change of Targe x3
Banner of Neutrality x4
Obfuscate (4):
Lost in crowds
Swallowed by Night
Forgotten Labyrinth
Faceless Night
Total: 82
Hollowboy
Hey, was it you who won in Canberra once with a FoS + weenies obf /
light serpentis bleed and blood doll deck?
I loved that deck. Cloned it. Have played lots of Summon the Serpent
ever since.