(Deck) Scout goes off on a Free States Rant!
The Lasombra
Author : The Lasombra
Description :
Free States Rant will remove 4 blood from play, then follow that up
with a Shattering Crescendo to remove 6 more.
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 8 average: 5.5
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3x Scout Youngwood 8 MEL OBF PRE for qui 2 votes Daughter :6
2x Ogwon 7 OBF PRE SER for Follower :5
2x Abdelsobek 5 for nec obf pre ser Follower :5
2x Hillanvale 5 FOR MEL obf Daughter :6
1x Portia 4 for pre pro Ventrue:5
2x Jack Tredegar 2 pre Ventrue:5
Library [90 cards]
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Action [16]
16x Shattering Crescendo
Action Modifier [26]
4x Bewitching Oration
2x Faceless Night
4x Forgotten Labyrinth
6x Freak Drive
2x Into Thin Air
4x Lost in Crowds
4x Voter Captivation
Action Modifier/Reaction [4]
4x Madrigal
Ally [3]
1x Gregory Winter
1x Impundulu
1x Young Bloods
Combat [7]
7x Majesty
Event [3]
1x Bitter and Sweet Story, The
1x Dragonbound
1x Hunger Moon
Master [16]
1x Coven, The
1x Elder Library
2x Fame
1x Ferraille
1x Giant's Blood
1x Opium Den
1x Powerbase: Rome
1x Temple Hunting Ground
1x Tension in the Ranks
1x Ventrue Headquarters
5x Villein
Political Action [9]
7x Free States Rant
1x Perpetual Care
1x Year of Fortune
Reaction [6]
3x Confusion of the Eye
3x Delaying Tactics
alex fnurp
> Deck Name : Scout goes off on a Free States Rant!
> Author : The Lasombra
> Description :
> Free States Rant will remove 4 blood from play, then follow that up
> with a Shattering Crescendo to remove 6 more.
>
I made this decklist and was supposed to play it at the Scottish ECQ,
unfortunate events (getting a job) threw a monkey wrench in my plans
though
so I never got to play it. I also play on the Free States/Shattering
combo to remove ready regions, recycle whats needed more in the mid
game via the powerful
ashur tablets engine and have the con boon/embrace module in place for
bloatation. Most likely need Uncoiling as the 68th card. One copy of
entrancement might
slip in too. I think a second copy of Command is needed to reliably
get more actions since I dont play any freak drives in this deck.
4 Scout Youngwood
3 Hillanvale
2 Harlan Graves
2 Janet Langer
1 Jack Tredegar
Library: - 67
Master: - 12
6 Ashur Tablets
1 Paris Opera House
1 Conductor
1 Bastille Opera House
1 Command Performance
1 Ventrue HQ
1 Fame
Action: - 21
12 Shattering Crescendo
2 Concert Tour
7 Embrace
Combat: - 3
3 Majesty
Action modifier: - 14
4 Lost in Crowds
3 Veil the Legion
1 Faceless Night
2 Swallowed by the night
2 Missing voice
2 Voter Captivation
Ally: - 2
1 Gregory Winter
1 Young bloods
Political Action: - 15
5 Kine Resources contested
1 Banishment
6 Con Boon
3 Free States Rant
Vincent
> Deck Name : Scout goes off on a Free States Rant!
> Author : The Lasombra
> Description :
> Free States Rant will remove 4 blood from play, then follow that up
> with a Shattering Crescendo to remove 6 more.
I can't really see the advantages of playing FSR to support Shattering
Crescendo. Why don't you simply play another SC with another vampire?
CONs: "star" vampire. The rest of the crypt can't play Melpominee
cards. Needs Freak Drive. Needs a vote module (in which Madrigal is
counterproductive).
PROs: vote is an alternate way of ousting but... there's no other vote
than FSR. Stealth with all minions but... is that really useful (I
mean you can stealth and have access to two block denials with Mel).
Voter cap pool gain.
> Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 8 average: 5.5
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> 3x Scout Youngwood 8 MEL OBF PRE for qui 2 votes Daughter :6
> 2x Ogwon 7 OBF PRE SER for Follower :5
> 2x Abdelsobek 5 for nec obf pre ser Follower :5
> 2x Hillanvale 5 FOR MEL obf Daughter :6
> 1x Portia 4 for pre pro Ventrue:5
> 2x Jack Tredegar 2 pre Ventrue:5
I prefer group 2-3, but you want to play obfuscate. Ok, but what the
hell Ogwon is here for? And Abdelsobek is awful. Arishat would be way
better.
>
> Library [90 cards]
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Action [16]
> 16x Shattering Crescendo
>
> Action Modifier [26]
> 4x Bewitching Oration
> 2x Faceless Night
> 4x Forgotten Labyrinth
> 6x Freak Drive
> 2x Into Thin Air
> 4x Lost in Crowds
> 4x Voter Captivation
So 8 cards for the vote part (and why Bewitching? Mob Rule could be
better).
> Action Modifier/Reaction [4]
> 4x Madrigal
So far 12 cards... and Madrigal allows other vampires to gain blood.
>
> Ally [3]
> 1x Gregory Winter
> 1x Impundulu
> 1x Young Bloods
>
> Combat [7]
> 7x Majesty
>
> Event [3]
> 1x Bitter and Sweet Story, The
> 1x Dragonbound
> 1x Hunger Moon
Hunger Moon is a double-edged sword, especially with no way to gain
back blood during the master phase (except Coven, but ah, it also
benefits other Methuselahs). the Bitter and Sweet Story (+ the Elder
Library) shows that you have hard times getting two Shattering in
hand. Why don't you reduce your library size?
>
> Master [16]
> 1x Coven, The
> 1x Elder Library
> 2x Fame
> 1x Ferraille
> 1x Giant's Blood
> 1x Opium Den
> 1x Powerbase: Rome
> 1x Temple Hunting Ground
> 1x Tension in the Ranks
> 1x Ventrue Headquarters
> 5x Villein
15 cards for the vote module...
>
> Political Action [9]
> 7x Free States Rant
> 1x Perpetual Care
> 1x Year of Fortune
Perpetual Care is a good idea. But 1 in 90 cards in not worth the vote
module.
24 votes cards...
> Reaction [6]
> 3x Confusion of the Eye
> 3x Delaying Tactics
So, basically, you could remove 24 cards, change the stealth so you
can play Cloak of Veil the Legions for others Daughters, and play more
Shattering Crescendo. By changing the crypt, you could also swap a
Opium Den by a Paris Opera House. You'd have to change the bloat
module (trade Villeins for Vessel + Perfectionist for example).
The Lasombra
> > Deck Name : Scout goes off on a Free States Rant!
> > Author : The Lasombra
> > Description :
> > Free States Rant will remove 4 blood from play, then follow that up
> > with a Shattering Crescendo to remove 6 more.
> I can't really see the advantages of playing FSR to support Shattering
> Crescendo. Why don't you simply play another SC with another vampire?
Because there are more vampires that can play Free States Rant, and
because Scout can remove 10 blood from the table by doing the Free
States Rant and following it up with a Shattering Crescendo.
> CONs: "star" vampire. The rest of the crypt can't play Melpominee
> cards. Needs Freak Drive. Needs a vote module (in which Madrigal is
> counterproductive).
None of these drawbacks are sufficient to prevent the deck from
working. Madrigal could certainly be replaced.
> PROs: vote is an alternate way of ousting but... there's no other vote
> than FSR. Stealth with all minions but... is that really useful (I
> mean you can stealth and have access to two block denials with Mel).
> Voter cap pool gain.
Carna and Nieghbor John and their lookalikes are endemic locally,
actions require 2 or more stealth or no stealth at all.
> > Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 8 average: 5.5
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > 3x Scout Youngwood 8 MEL OBF PRE for qui 2 votes Daughter :6
> > 2x Ogwon 7 OBF PRE SER for Follower :5
> > 2x Abdelsobek 5 for nec obf pre ser Follower :5
> > 2x Hillanvale 5 FOR MEL obf Daughter :6
> > 1x Portia 4 for pre pro Ventrue:5
> > 2x Jack Tredegar 2 pre Ventrue:5
> I prefer group 2-3, but you want to play obfuscate.
> Ok, but what the hell Ogwon is here for?
To play Free States Rant to remove 4 blood from the table. He also
has fortitude so he can cycle the Freak Drives if necessary.
> And Abdelsobek is awful. Arishat would be way better.
Minions that cost pool to untap are a stupid addition to a fragile
deck concept.
> > Library [90 cards]
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Action [16]
> > 16x Shattering Crescendo
> > Action Modifier [26]
> > 4x Bewitching Oration
> > 2x Faceless Night
> > 4x Forgotten Labyrinth
> > 6x Freak Drive
> > 2x Into Thin Air
> > 4x Lost in Crowds
> > 4x Voter Captivation
> So 8 cards for the vote part (and why Bewitching? Mob Rule could be
> better).
Mob Rule provides votes to your opponents. That's a bad idea when you
want your votes to succeed.
> > Action Modifier/Reaction [4]
> > 4x Madrigal
> So far 12 cards... and Madrigal allows other vampires to gain blood.
Could certainly be removed.
> > Ally [3]
> > 1x Gregory Winter
> > 1x Impundulu
> > 1x Young Bloods
> > Combat [7]
> > 7x Majesty
> > Event [3]
> > 1x Bitter and Sweet Story, The
> > 1x Dragonbound
> > 1x Hunger Moon
> Hunger Moon is a double-edged sword, especially with no way to gain
> back blood during the master phase (except Coven, but ah, it also
> benefits other Methuselahs). the Bitter and Sweet Story (+ the Elder
> Library) shows that you have hard times getting two Shattering in
> hand. Why don't you reduce your library size?
Because Dragonbound reduces my hand size. Keeping my hand size at 7
or 8 is much better than anything else. Reducing the library size
does not in any way affect the having only a 6 card hand.
> > Master [16]
> > 1x Coven, The
> > 1x Elder Library
> > 2x Fame
> > 1x Ferraille
> > 1x Giant's Blood
> > 1x Opium Den
> > 1x Powerbase: Rome
> > 1x Temple Hunting Ground
> > 1x Tension in the Ranks
> > 1x Ventrue Headquarters
> > 5x Villein
> 15 cards for the vote module...
> > Political Action [9]
> > 7x Free States Rant
> > 1x Perpetual Care
> > 1x Year of Fortune
> Perpetual Care is a good idea. But 1 in 90 cards in not worth the vote
> module.
> 24 votes cards...
The Free States Rant are the only ones that need to be called. The
others could be replaced with more Free State Rant.
> > Reaction [6]
> > 3x Confusion of the Eye
> > 3x Delaying Tactics
> So, basically, you could remove 24 cards,
No, there isn't much value in that. This deck is to play Free States
Rant to get vampires in range of torpor from Shattering Crescendo.
Anything else is another deck. See also: the decks I've already
posted.
> change the stealth so you
> can play Cloak of Veil the Legions for others Daughters, and play more
Cloak and Veil fail.
(As the acting minion can't Veil its own action and Carna/Neighbor
John are everywhere, as mentioned previously.)
> Shattering Crescendo. By changing the crypt, you could also swap a
> Opium Den by a Paris Opera House. You'd have to change the bloat
> module (trade Villeins for Vessel + Perfectionist for example).
Reactions will be played, Perfectionist doesn't work around Shattering
Crescendo against players that can block, which my opponents can.
Vincent
> On Aug 16, 8:00 am, Vincent wrote:
>
> > > Deck Name : Scout goes off on a Free States Rant!
> > > Author : The Lasombra
> > > Description :
> > > Free States Rant will remove 4 blood from play, then follow that up
> > > with a Shattering Crescendo to remove 6 more.
> > I can't really see the advantages of playing FSR to support Shattering
> > Crescendo. Why don't you simply play another SC with another vampire?
>
> Because there are more vampires that can play Free States Rant, and
> because Scout can remove 10 blood from the table by doing the Free
> States Rant and following it up with a Shattering Crescendo.
10 is not better than 12 (2 Shattering Crescendo). Why does it need to
be Scout that does everything?
>
> Carna and Nieghbor John and their lookalikes are endemic locally,
> actions require 2 or more stealth or no stealth at all.
Yeah, so the 2 "block fail" the Daughters can play are maybe better
than plain stealth.
>
> > > Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 8 average: 5.5
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > 3x Scout Youngwood 8 MEL OBF PRE for qui 2 votes Daughter :6
> > > 2x Ogwon 7 OBF PRE SER for Follower :5
> > > 2x Abdelsobek 5 for nec obf pre ser Follower :5
> > > 2x Hillanvale 5 FOR MEL obf Daughter :6
> > > 1x Portia 4 for pre pro Ventrue:5
> > > 2x Jack Tredegar 2 pre Ventrue:5
> > I prefer group 2-3, but you want to play obfuscate.
> > Ok, but what the hell Ogwon is here for?
>
> To play Free States Rant to remove 4 blood from the table. He also
> has fortitude so he can cycle the Freak Drives if necessary.
>
> > And Abdelsobek is awful. Arishat would be way better.
>
> Minions that cost pool to untap are a stupid addition to a fragile
> deck concept.
I'd rather play 1 minion with an infernal penalty that can play all
the cards at superior and help my vote to pass than a crappy 5 cap.
But that's my point of view.
>
> > > Library [90 cards]
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Action [16]
> > > 16x Shattering Crescendo
> > > Action Modifier [26]
> > > 4x Bewitching Oration
> > > 2x Faceless Night
> > > 4x Forgotten Labyrinth
> > > 6x Freak Drive
> > > 2x Into Thin Air
> > > 4x Lost in Crowds
> > > 4x Voter Captivation
> > So 8 cards for the vote part (and why Bewitching? Mob Rule could be
> > better).
>
> Mob Rule provides votes to your opponents. That's a bad idea when you
> want your votes to succeed.
Hmmm, they have to burn blood for it. Isn't it what you want? (And I
assure you that blood is lost, either because the FSR passes or
because vampires spent blood to make it fail).
>> the Bitter and Sweet Story (+ the Elder
> > Library) shows that you have hard times getting two Shattering in
> > hand. Why don't you reduce your library size?
>
> Because Dragonbound reduces my hand size. Keeping my hand size at 7
> or 8 is much better than anything else. Reducing the library size
> does not in any way affect the having only a 6 card hand.
It does when you want to have two copies of SC in hand. But I
understand the need too have a bigger hand size. Maybe the event isn't
the greatest card to do it (hey, if you keep Scout, you could even
play Monastery of Shadows)
> The Free States Rant are the only ones that need to be called. The
> others could be replaced with more Free State Rant.
And IMHO FSR is worse than simply putting more SC. That why all the
vote part could be removed.
> > change the stealth so you
> > can play Cloak of Veil the Legions for others Daughters, and play more
>
> Cloak and Veil fail.
> (As the acting minion can't Veil its own action and Carna/Neighbor
> John are everywhere, as mentioned previously.)
Ok. Play "block fails" cards then, and Pentex if Mr./Mrs. +5 intercept
is too annoying.
> > Opium Den by a Paris Opera House. You'd have to change the bloat
> > module (trade Villeins for Vessel + Perfectionist for example).
>
> Reactions will be played, Perfectionist doesn't work around Shattering
> Crescendo against players that can block, which my opponents can.
Duh. You must have a very wallish metagame then, if someone plays a
reaction card on each action you perform. For my part, Perfectionnist
triggers much more than not. And adding the Perfectionist doesn't
change your stealth module, or the fact you're being blocked or not,
does it?
The Lasombra
> > > I can't really see the advantages of playing FSR to support Shattering
> > > Crescendo. Why don't you simply play another SC with another vampire?
> > Because there are more vampires that can play Free States Rant, and
> > because Scout can remove 10 blood from the table by doing the Free
> > States Rant and following it up with a Shattering Crescendo.
> 10 is not better than 12 (2 Shattering Crescendo). Why does it need to
> be Scout that does everything?
It doesn't.
This only one vampire that can play Shattering Crescendo is all in
your mind.
Hillanvale is the second vampire into play, after Scout. If the game
is going well, a Follower of Set can be third.
> > Carna and Nieghbor John and their lookalikes are endemic locally,
> > actions require 2 or more stealth or no stealth at all.
> Yeah, so the 2 "block fail" the Daughters can play are maybe better
> than plain stealth.
So, instead of enumerating them, you'll continue to berate me for
cards I don't know the names of?
That is so helpful! Thank you very much!
> > Minions that cost pool to untap are a stupid addition to a fragile
> > deck concept.
>
> I'd rather play 1 minion with an infernal penalty that can play all
> the cards at superior and help my vote to pass than a crappy 5 cap.
> But that's my point of view.
Minions to play, in order of appearance:
Scout, Hillanvale, Ogwon, Jack, Portia, Abdelsobek
> > Mob Rule provides votes to your opponents. That's a bad idea when you
> > want your votes to succeed.
> Hmmm, they have to burn blood for it. Isn't it what you want?
No, I don't want random blood loss.
The deck requires precise targeting.
Precise targeting requires the vote to pass.
> It does when you want to have two copies of SC in hand. But I
> understand the need too have a bigger hand size. Maybe the event isn't
> the greatest card to do it (hey, if you keep Scout, you could even
> play Monastery of Shadows)
Monastery would be a possibility.
> > The Free States Rant are the only ones that need to be called. The
> > others could be replaced with more Free State Rant.
> And IMHO FSR is worse than simply putting more SC. That why all the
> vote part could be removed.
Ok, but that isn't this deck and your demands to remove it won't
improve this deck, they'll simply create a different deck.
Vincent
> On Aug 16, 11:25 am, Vincent wrote:
>
> > > > I can't really see the advantages of playing FSR to support Shattering
> > > > Crescendo. Why don't you simply play another SC with another vampire?
> > > Because there are more vampires that can play Free States Rant, and
> > > because Scout can remove 10 blood from the table by doing the Free
> > > States Rant and following it up with a Shattering Crescendo.
> > 10 is not better than 12 (2 Shattering Crescendo). Why does it need to
> > be Scout that does everything?
>
> It doesn't.
> This only one vampire that can play Shattering Crescendo is all in
> your mind.
>
> Hillanvale is the second vampire into play, after Scout. If the game
> is going well, a Follower of Set can be third.
>
> Scout, Hillanvale, Ogwon, Jack, Portia, Abdelsobek
Ok, but with 3 Scout and 2 Hillanvale, chances that you get both in
the starting crypt are only of 25% (=the chance that you get neither
+the chance that you get only scout + the chance that you get only
Hillanvale = 7*6*5*4 + 9*8*7*6 + 10*9*8*7 out of 12*11*10*9, which is
roughly 75% of failure). So you'll probably play with only one of
them.
Anyway, you don't plan to get out all six vampires? (would be 31
pool), so why don't you focus more on the key vampires?
4 Scout
4 Hillanvale
4 random guys
You'd get the two girls in your first crypt 72% of the time.
>
> > > Carna and Nieghbor John and their lookalikes are endemic locally,
> > > actions require 2 or more stealth or no stealth at all.
> > Yeah, so the 2 "block fail" the Daughters can play are maybe better
> > than plain stealth.
>
> So, instead of enumerating them, you'll continue to berate me for
> cards I don't know the names of?
> That is so helpful! Thank you very much!
Oh, I thought you knew them (ARDB or FELDB are your friends) : Siren's
Lure and Phantom Speaker (the latest works only on younger vampires,
which should be ok if you play Scout). You can even play Toreador's
Bane which allows you to continue the action when blocked by an ally
or younger vampire (or Tore or !Tore)
> > > Mob Rule provides votes to your opponents. That's a bad idea when you
> > > want your votes to succeed.
> > Hmmm, they have to burn blood for it. Isn't it what you want?
>
> No, I don't want random blood loss.
> The deck requires precise targeting.
> Precise targeting requires the vote to pass.
Ok.
>
> > > The Free States Rant are the only ones that need to be called. The
> > > others could be replaced with more Free State Rant.
> > And IMHO FSR is worse than simply putting more SC. That why all the
> > vote part could be removed.
>
> Ok, but that isn't this deck and your demands to remove it won't
> improve this deck, they'll simply create a different deck.
Sure, but I was just pointing out that for the same result (ie:
removing blood from vampires and send them to torpor), FSR seems to me
an option with many withdraws and few pros. Just as adding Shattering
(the anarch card that deals 2 damage with protean) would be.
But true, I do not offer to improve your deck (because I just don't
believe in its efficiency), just offering some new ideas to turn it
another way; sorry about that.