rogue trolls
Christy Lyn Anderson
-Chris
Cronos
persevere and keep hitting them, either that or polymorph them. If you're
lucky you can get a few arrows in first. Other possibles: teleport, run away
until you get that few extra hit points, rest more on higher levels, dive
down ignoring everything (although you should be able to kill a few trolls).
Always explore everywhere and get to as high a level experience wise as you
can before diving down....... I think there's a faq around which might give
you a few more ideas...... throw potions at them, etc (but it depends which
version you are playing).
Incidentally if anyone is interested I have recently ported LinuxRogue to
win32, added rogue 3.6 monsters/items and given the option to play either
standard 5.3 rogue or 3.6 when it starts up. I've also ported Larn. If
anyone wants a copy of either then email me. I'm in the process of porting
UltraRogue (which now works but not defs files or save files at the
moment......still more work to do there).
Cronos.
>Christy Lyn Anderson <cl...@lehigh.edu> wrote in message
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Cronos
> win32, added rogue 3.6 monsters/items and given the option to play either
> standard 5.3 rogue or 3.6 when it starts up. I've also ported Larn. If
> anyone wants a copy of either then email me. I'm in the process of porting
> UltraRogue (which now works but not defs files or save files at the
> moment......still more work to do there).
>
> Cronos.
>
Update on UltraRogue:
It all seems to be working except save files. Save files are a big problem
at the moment, because the methods used aren't available under win32 and it
will need to be rewritten from scratch. Which raises three points:
1. If anyone has ported UR before and sorted the save files out, then please
get in touch.
2. If anyone wants a copy anyway then email me.
3. If anyone has any hints for UR playing then please send me a copy.
For those that don't know the UR differences it really is pretty good. I
just got down to level 41, having found the purse of yendor and the phial of
galadriel only to land in a maze, decide to use a potion of phasing to try
and find the exit to the next level (I hate mazes), wander round looking for
the exit and finally for the phasing to run out and me to materialise in a
wall. Oh well, it makes a change from being summoned and killed by some old
dragon........
Top Ten Adventurers:
Rank Score Gold Name
1 336713 5341769 cronos, Level 13 Lord:
retrieved Magic Purse of Yendor, Phial of Galadriel,
killed on level 41 by petrification.
Shruuf
Cronos wrote...
>> Incidentally if anyone is interested I have recently ported
LinuxRogue to
>> win32, added rogue 3.6 monsters/items and given the option to play
either
>> standard 5.3 rogue or 3.6 when it starts up. I've also ported Larn.
If
>> anyone wants a copy of either then email me. I'm in the process of
porting
>> UltraRogue (which now works but not defs files or save files at the
>> moment......still more work to do there).
>>
>> Cronos.
>>
>
good. I
>just got down to level 41, having found the purse of yendor and the
phial of
>galadriel only to land in a maze, decide to use a potion of phasing
to try
>and find the exit to the next level (I hate mazes), wander round
looking for
>the exit and finally for the phasing to run out and me to materialise
in a
>wall. Oh well, it makes a change from being summoned and killed by
some old
>dragon........
>Top Ten Adventurers:
>Rank Score Gold Name
>1 336713 5341769 cronos, Level 13 Lord:
> retrieved Magic Purse of Yendor, Phial of
Galadriel,
> killed on level 41 by petrification.
>
Sounds interesting. How big is it?
Shruuf
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Alex Taylor
wrote:
>Please help me!! I get killed by a troll every single time I play
>Rogue. It's getting really annoying. Is there some trick to killing
>them that I just don't know about? PLEASE, if anyone has advice on
>killing these things, let me know!!! Thanks!
No trick, really. Just start being _very_ careful as soon as you arrive
on level 12. And when you see a troll, run. Hit a few times as you can,
and keep running. Stop to hit it a few more times, then run some more.
If you get trapped, just cross your fingers and hope you have some useful
last-resort items.
You should have at _least_ 50 hit points by the time you reach level 12.
If you don't, you're probably SOL anyway.
Once you've killed a few trolls, they seem to get less tough (or, more
likely, you get more tough).
By the time you reach levels 16-18, you'll practically be laughing at
trolls... all your terror will be reserved for the Ur-Viles and
(especially) Griffins.
(When I see a griffin, I just RUN.)
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al...@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca
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Cronos
save files with urogue though.
Shruuf <Antic...@Underworld.gov> wrote in message
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Anssi Saari
> (When I see a griffin, I just RUN.)
I wonder what griffins correspond to in the old names? My guess is
Xorn, since those seem to be responsible for a lot of my deaths in
Rogue 3.6.
--
Anssi Saari - a...@sci.fi
Cronos
both. Of course UmberHulks can confuse but they aren't as hard as the
Griffins........
Anssi Saari <a...@sci.fi> wrote in message
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Nick Kisseberth
>> Incidentally if anyone is interested I have recently ported LinuxRogue to
>> win32, added rogue 3.6 monsters/items and given the option to play either
>> standard 5.3 rogue or 3.6 when it starts up. I've also ported Larn. If
>> anyone wants a copy of either then email me. I'm in the process of porting
>> UltraRogue (which now works but not defs files or save files at the
>> moment......still more work to do there).
>>
>> Cronos.
>>
See my earlier post in another thread.
Contact me if you wish to discuss rogue ports and
updates, etc.
Nick Kisseberth
nkis...@uiuc.edu
Alex Taylor
>> (When I see a griffin, I just RUN.)
>
>I wonder what griffins correspond to in the old names? My guess is
>Xorn, since those seem to be responsible for a lot of my deaths in
>Rogue 3.6.
...old names? What is "old" and what is "new"? BSD rogue vs. DOS Rogue?
"Classic" rogue vs. Epyx Rogue? ...
In the one I play (not sure where it came from, though I suspect it's a
cracked Epyx release), Griffins first appear around level 16 or 17.
They are the nastiest monster in the game, as even Dragons aren't too bad
as long as they don't breathe at you. A Griffin seems to average around
30-40 points of damage per hit...
"X" in my version is Xeroc. First appearing around 17 or 18, they're
sneaky little devils, but not too tough.
I once wrote down exactly what monster first started appearing on what
level, but I think I lost the paper ages ago...
Cronos
earlier and probably before most ports. I once polymorphed a monster into a
Purple Worm, the one and only time I ever met a Purple Worm. I don't want to
meet one again..............
Cronos.
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The advice given here on trolls is sound. But, IMHO, in Rogue
5.3, the nastiest monster in the game is not the Griffin(though
he is nasty enough!). That honour(?) belongs to the Jabberwock.
He is fast, powerful, and has more hp than any other creature.
I have had games where I could kill Griffins, but got
creamed in 2 blows by a Jabberwock.
Regards,
Ray Steiner
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Before you buy.
Alex Taylor
>Old is 3.6, new is 5.3 and its variants (like DOS, etc). 3.6 was much
>earlier and probably before most ports. I once polymorphed a monster into a
>Purple Worm, the one and only time I ever met a Purple Worm. I don't want to
>meet one again..............
Uh... so Rogue v1.0 for DOS is really rogue v5.3?
(I don't think I want to meet a Purple Worm either!)
G. L. Sicherman
> al...@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca writes:
>
> > (When I see a griffin, I just RUN.)
>
> I wonder what griffins correspond to in the old names? My guess is
> Xorn, since those seem to be responsible for a lot of my deaths in
> Rogue 3.6.
The Griffin doesn't correspond to anything--it was the one completely
new monster in Version 5. The Rogue's Vade-Mecum has the whole cor-
respondence. (Obviously Xorns and Umber Hulks don't have double speed.)
http://www.monmouth.com/~colonel/rvm.html
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home: col...@mail.monmouth.com
Alex Taylor
>> > (When I see a griffin, I just RUN.)
>>
>> I wonder what griffins correspond to in the old names? My guess is
>> Xorn, since those seem to be responsible for a lot of my deaths in
>> Rogue 3.6.
>
>The Griffin doesn't correspond to anything--it was the one completely
>new monster in Version 5. The Rogue's Vade-Mecum has the whole cor-
>respondence. (Obviously Xorns and Umber Hulks don't have double speed.)
>
> http://www.monmouth.com/~colonel/rvm.html
Interesting... lots of stuff on that page that doesn't seem to apply to my
version of Rogue (Griffins flying at twice speed, scrolls of Genocide,
etc.)...
Is there a complete family tree of the various Rogue versions available
somewhere? I find all this talk of different versions quite confusing...
Anssi Saari
> In <lbsr9c4...@lmf.ericsson.se>, a...@sci.fi wrote:
> > al...@eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca writes:
> >
> > > (When I see a griffin, I just RUN.)
> >
> > I wonder what griffins correspond to in the old names? My guess is
> > Xorn, since those seem to be responsible for a lot of my deaths in
> > Rogue 3.6.
>
> The Griffin doesn't correspond to anything--it was the one completely
> new monster in Version 5. The Rogue's Vade-Mecum has the whole cor-
> respondence. (Obviously Xorns and Umber Hulks don't have double speed.)
>
> http://www.monmouth.com/~colonel/rvm.html
Ah, thanks. It's a great document. But what does it mean when it says
"Unless you save against magic, the gaze of the Umber Hulk confuses
you for 23+1d20 turns"?
Richard Drysdall
wrote:
[ snip ]
> Ah, thanks. It's a great document. But what does it mean when it says
> "Unless you save against magic, the gaze of the Umber Hulk confuses
> you for 23+1d20 turns"?
< Richard reads the scroll of identify on the preceeding phrase >
Well, 'save against magic' is a specific type of 'Saving Throw' - a term
borrowed from the RPG Dungeons & Dragons. Basically, it's a random
chance that something (in this case, magic) will affect the player. So
if the player 'saves', they are unaffected, if they 'fail to save', they
are affected. The 1d20 means one roll of a twenty sided dice, generating
a number between 1 and 20.
To summarise, if the player is affected by the umber hulks gaze, he or
she is confused for 24 to 43 turns.
A lot of games these days don't use these terms for fear of being sued
by TSR, but nevertheless their internal coding borrows heavily from AD&D.
--
Richard Drysdall, Auckland, New Zealand.
Van Hada
> 5.3, the nastiest monster in the game is not the Griffin(though
> he is nasty enough!). That honour(?) belongs to the Jabberwock.
> He is fast, powerful, and has more hp than any other creature.
> I have had games where I could kill Griffins, but got
> creamed in 2 blows by a Jabberwock.
> Regards,
> Ray Steiner
>
Yeah, I know how you're feeling.
You see a dragon, you just curse and check your arsenal for anything
(staves, potions, scrolls, etc.) to give you an advantage.
The Jabberwocks....well, if my character could turn white from
fright, it would. I just pray there's a labyrinth somewhere on the
level. It's usually my only chance at survival.
Russ
Phillip Wright
> >That honour(?) belongs to the Jabberwock.
> > He is fast, powerful, and has more hp than any other creature.
> > I have had games where I could kill Griffins, but got
> > creamed in 2 blows by a Jabberwock.
> > Regards,
> > Ray Steiner
> >
>
> You see a dragon, you just curse and check your arsenal for anything
> (staves, potions, scrolls, etc.) to give you an advantage.
>
> The Jabberwocks....well, if my character could turn white from
> fright, it would. I just pray there's a labyrinth somewhere on the
> level. It's usually my only chance at survival.
>
Jabberwocks too, but if 5.3 is the same as anything like or the same as DOS
1.1 then the Medusa is the thorn my side. It may not be the most powerful
critter but on look and you're confused.... and stuffed. I just hope to
find a wand of cancellation, unless you can suggest anything better.
Grover.
Alex Taylor
>> You see a dragon, you just curse and check your arsenal for anything
>> (staves, potions, scrolls, etc.) to give you an advantage.
>>
>> The Jabberwocks....well, if my character could turn white from
>> fright, it would. I just pray there's a labyrinth somewhere on the
>> level. It's usually my only chance at survival.
>>
>Agreed, but you guys will have to tell me if I'm wrong on this - I hate
>Jabberwocks too, but if 5.3 is the same as anything like or the same as DOS
>1.1 then the Medusa is the thorn my side. It may not be the most powerful
>critter but on look and you're confused.... and stuffed. I just hope to
>find a wand of cancellation, unless you can suggest anything better.
In the DOS version I have (Epyx?), if you can hit a Medusa before it hits
or confuses you, then it won't confuse you. Wands of Striking are useful
for getting a 'guaranteed hit'.
In this same version, Jabberwocks are fairly nasty, but Griffins are the
worst, hands down. (I see them kill 75-hp characters in three hits...
two, if they get lucky.)