dragon scales
kvc...@mindspring.com
have only had scales once. The one time I did, I already had gray dragon
mail, and the orange scales gave me the same AC as the mail. So why do I
have to enchant the scales ???
K.V.C
Sascha
dragon scales have an AC bonus of 3.
dragon scale mail has an AC bonus of 9.
So you either had +6 orange dragon scales or you had both of the same
type (scales or scale mail).
Sascha
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Do scales give the same intrinsics as the scale mail? I.e., suppose
that I kill a gray dragon and get the scales. But don't have a scroll
of enchant armor. Will wearing the scales give me magic protection?
David "the well dressed" Throop
Tom Friedetzky
>Do scales give the same intrinsics as the scale mail? I.e., suppose
>that I kill a gray dragon and get the scales. But don't have a scroll
>of enchant armor. Will wearing the scales give me magic protection?
Yes, but the AC is lousy (inferior by 6, if I remember correctly...
scales play in the same league as studded leather armor). You might want
to try eating the corpse instead (until you find a scroll of enchant
armor).
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Eva R. Myers
Tom Friedetzky <frie...@in.tum.de> wrote:
>David R. Throop <thr...@cs.utexas.edu> wrote:
>>Do scales give the same intrinsics as the scale mail? I.e., suppose
>>that I kill a gray dragon and get the scales. But don't have a scroll
>>of enchant armor. Will wearing the scales give me magic protection?
>
>Yes, but the AC is lousy (inferior by 6, if I remember correctly...
>scales play in the same league as studded leather armor). You might want
>to try eating the corpse instead (until you find a scroll of enchant
>armor).
Dragon scales have an AC of 3 (same as studded leather armour, as Tom
says). Dragon scale mail has an AC of 9. The exception to this is in
Slash'Em, where yellow dragon scales have an AC of 8 and yellow dragon
scale mail has an AC of 14, but they do not convey any intrinsic. I
have never been in the situation of having dragon scales and no scroll
of enchant armour, but magic users in this situation might want to
wear the scales. Apart from dragon scale mail, the only non-metallic
armour better than dragon scales / studded leather armour is crystal
plate mail, which is very heavy.
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Daniel Blum
> David R. Throop <thr...@cs.utexas.edu> wrote:
> >Do scales give the same intrinsics as the scale mail? I.e., suppose
> >that I kill a gray dragon and get the scales. But don't have a scroll
> >of enchant armor. Will wearing the scales give me magic protection?
> Yes, but the AC is lousy (inferior by 6, if I remember correctly...
> scales play in the same league as studded leather armor). You might want
> to try eating the corpse instead (until you find a scroll of enchant
> armor).
My understanding is that you can't get the magic resistance intrinsic
by eating a gray dragon corpse - you have to wear the scales/armor.
Eating the corpse DOES work for all the other colors of dragon (well,
except yellow, which doesn't give you an intrinsic at all).
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>In article <7i4q3g$jtc$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>,
> <kvc...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>What are dragons scales for ??
>
Yes. Only fewer points of AC.
> I.e., suppose
>that I kill a gray dragon and get the scales. But don't have a scroll
>of enchant armor. Will wearing the scales give me magic protection?
Exactly.
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Tom Friedetzky
>My understanding is that you can't get the magic resistance intrinsic
>by eating a gray dragon corpse - you have to wear the scales/armor.
>Eating the corpse DOES work for all the other colors of dragon (well,
>except yellow, which doesn't give you an intrinsic at all).
Yes, you're perfectly right. A quick glance at intrinsic_possible() in
eat.c seems to reveal that besides teleportitis, teleport control, and
telepathy, you can gain resistance against fire, sleep, cold,
disintegration, shock, and poison ONLY.
Sorry for the misinformation (the origional question was about MAGIC
resistance, after all).
Remco Gerlich
> So you either had +6 orange dragon scales or you had both of the same
> type (scales or scale mail).
If you enchant +6 dragon scales, is there a chance that you'll loose
the amour??
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Dylan O'Donnell
> Sascha <net...@gmx.de.NOSPAM> wrote:
> > So you either had +6 orange dragon scales or you had both of the same
> > type (scales or scale mail).
>
> If you enchant +6 dragon scales, is there a chance that you'll loose
> the amour??
Yes. The evaporation check occurs before the dragon-scale check.
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Antti Tiainen
:> If you enchant +6 dragon scales, is there a chance that you'll loose
:> the amour??
: Yes. The evaporation check occurs before the dragon-scale check.
How can you enchant dragon scales to +6, since enchanting them with the
?oEA will generate dragon scale mail?
(If I read source correctly, dragon scales are always generated +0 uncursed).
Tipu
Clive
wrote:
That's a question I would very much like to know.
Once upon an version, (if I knew I might bget a clearer answer)
tried to work out how to get Dragon Scale Mail.
I enchanted Dragon Scales and got +1 Dragon Scales
and I was a bit disappointed.
I also made rustproof Dragon Scales, I assumed it must
need to be a blessed scroll but I never did succeed.
Antti Tiainen
:>How can you enchant dragon scales to +6, since enchanting them with the
: That's a question I would very much like to know.
You can, of course, wish from them. I don't know if you can wish for +6
anything, but at least you can get +4 or +5 scales, which might evaporate
when enchanting.
There's no point in that, though :)
Tipu
Dylan O'Donnell
> Dylan O'Donnell <dyl...@demon.net> wrote:
>
> :> If you enchant +6 dragon scales, is there a chance that you'll loose
> :> the amour??
> : Yes. The evaporation check occurs before the dragon-scale check.
>
> (If I read source correctly, dragon scales are always generated +0 uncursed).
Wish for them. Wished-for scales have the same chance of starting with
an enchantment as any other armour; only naturally-shed scales are set
to +0. A wish can only specify an enchantment up to 5 with any hope of
success (and likely won't get that - 1/5 chance, assuming non-negative
Luck), _but_ if you don't specify an enchantment, it's the same chance
as with randomly generated armour.
The enchantment of randomly generated armour is determined as follows:
If it's fumble boots, levitation boots, HoOA or gauntlets of fumbling,
there's a 90% chance that the item will be negatively enchanted. Other
armour has a 9/110 chance of being negatively enchanted. If the item's
not negatively enchanted, there's a 10% chance that the item will have
a positive enchantment. If neither of the above apply (for most armour
that means a 909/1100 or ~83% chance) then the enchantment will be +0;
in that case, there's a 5% chance each that the armour will be blessed
or cursed, and that's your lot.
If generated negatively enchanted, the armour is automatically cursed.
If it's positively enchanted, there's a 50% chance of the armour being
blessed. The magnitude of the enchantment is exponentially distributed
and capped by your experience level, as follows:
If you're XL14 or below, the maximum enchantment will be 5. If XL15 or
above, the maximum enchantment will be XL/3 (rounding down). Start the
enchantment at 1. Roll a 3 sided dice - if you get a 1, add one to the
enchantment and repeat. Continue until a 2 or 3 is rolled or you reach
the maximum enchantment.
So (and there _was_ a point to all this), to get +6 (or higher) dragon
scales, you need: to be at least level 18; to wish for "dragon scales"
(whatever colour you like, but not specifying an enchantment); and for
the RNG to be kind to the tune of ((1/3)^5 * 1/10 * 101/110), which is
around 0.04%. Not very likely, and pretty pointless anyway. But it can
be done! :-)
(This is the point at which someone comes along and helpfully mentions
the line of the code I've missed which makes all the above meaningless
and wrong... but I _think_ it's all right.)
Sascha
> Dylan O'Donnell <dyl...@demon.net> wrote:
>
> :> If you enchant +6 dragon scales, is there a chance that you'll loose
> :> the amour??
> : Yes. The evaporation check occurs before the dragon-scale check.
>
> How can you enchant dragon scales to +6, since enchanting them with the
> ?oEA will generate dragon scale mail?
> (If I read source correctly, dragon scales are always generated +0 uncursed).
can they be generated by polymorph?
Sascha
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Dylan O'Donnell
> Antti Tiainen :
> > Dylan O'Donnell <dyl...@demon.net> wrote:
> > :> If you enchant +6 dragon scales, is there a chance that you'll loose
> > :> the amour??
> > : Yes. The evaporation check occurs before the dragon-scale check.
> >
> > How can you enchant dragon scales to +6, since enchanting them with the
> > ?oEA will generate dragon scale mail?
> > (If I read source correctly, dragon scales are always generated +0
> > uncursed).
>
> can they be generated by polymorph?
No. (Nor can DSM.) Polymorph can't create anything that can't be
created randomly (and can't create a few things that can, like magic
lamps, wands of wishing or artifacts).
James Robinson
>
> Antti Tiainen :
>
> > Dylan O'Donnell <dyl...@demon.net> wrote:
> >
> > :> If you enchant +6 dragon scales, is there a chance that you'll loose
> > :> the amour??
> > : Yes. The evaporation check occurs before the dragon-scale check.
> >
> > How can you enchant dragon scales to +6, since enchanting them with the
> > ?oEA will generate dragon scale mail?
> > (If I read source correctly, dragon scales are always generated +0 uncursed).
>
> can they be generated by polymorph?
They could have wished for +6 dragon scales on accident instead of +6
dragon scale mail
although wishing +6 anything has got to be near impossible so i bet
you're right sascha
>
> Sascha
>
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M. Owen
On 27 May 1999, Antti Tiainen wrote:
> Dylan O'Donnell <dyl...@demon.net> wrote:
>
> :> If you enchant +6 dragon scales, is there a chance that you'll loose
> :> the amour??
> : Yes. The evaporation check occurs before the dragon-scale check.
>
> How can you enchant dragon scales to +6, since enchanting them with the
> ?oEA will generate dragon scale mail?
> (If I read source correctly, dragon scales are always generated +0 uncursed).
You need to be confused to enchant into DSM
Irina Rempt
> You need to be confused to enchant into DSM
Not true. Next time, try it in explore mode before you post blatant
nonsense.
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On 3 Jun 1999, Irina Rempt wrote:
> M. Owen wrote:
>
> > You need to be confused to enchant into DSM
>
> Not true. Next time, try it in explore mode before you post blatant
> nonsense.
>
> ... are you by any chance a troll?
No, Irina. This is D.J. Schreffler, borrowing net access. Just been a
long time since playing is all.
Irina Rempt
I wrote:
>> ... are you by any chance a troll?
>
> No, Irina. This is D.J. Schreffler, borrowing net access. Just been a
> long time since playing is all.
Ah, if I'd known it was *you* I'd have treated you more harshly :-)
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