artifact gifts
blipster8
same game? I'm addicted to Frost Brand-ing everybody in my path, but
in my latest game I have recieved 5 or so artifacts total so far and no
FB. I haven't gotten any more for a long time now... is that just bad
(out of game) luck, or is it less likely / impossible to get FB now?
noah bedford
"blipster8" <dcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think you get a 1/5th of getting it as far as wishing... I would reccomend
GS over FB, because FB freezes potions etc.
I think if you are altar sacrificing, you get a higher chance of getting an artifact
if your luck is low...
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blipster8
-GS is lawful, so I'll never get it any other way than wishing and
crossing my fingers
-FB is awesome. So there. It does more damage and gives cool "you
freeze the whatsit" messages with every hit. And it's awesome too.
Can anyone confirm the thing about keeping my luck low helping? I
could easily pickaxe a bunch of soko's boulders and put my luckstone in
a bag if that's what would help most...
Andy Johnson
Luck low is not true. You have the same chance of getting FB as any
other possible artifact (i.e. not restricted by alignment) when your god
grants you an artifact; however, the granted artifact still has the
possibility of disappearing due to too many artifacts in existance. The
chance of it staying is something like 2/n where n is the number of
artifacts in the game already. If it does not stay then you get a
message along the lines of "You briefly see an object appear at your
feet, but then it vanishes!"
If I were you, with 5 artifacts already I wouldn't bother continuing to
try for FB. While there is no limit and eventually you WILL get FB, it
will take some time. You probably have a reasonably good artifact
already and holding out for FB is just asking for a YASD.
blipster8
sacrifices, so I wouldn't have seen that message.
Janis Papanagnou
> That makes sense; I've been wearing a towel for most of these
> sacrifices, so I wouldn't have seen that message.
What makes sense? (Your posting does not without any context.)
Though having a look at http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google *might*
work like a potion of enlightenment for you. :-)
Janis
Andy Johnson
[artifact gifts disappearing if too many created]
> That makes sense; I've been wearing a towel for most of these
> sacrifices, so I wouldn't have seen that message.
>
You would still get a message, except it's adapted for being blind ("You
feel something at your feet for a moment" or similar). The same happens
for the four-leaf clover indicator.
Art Willis
Andy Johnson <swervy...@this-out.gmail.com> wrote:
> blipster8 wrote:
> > 2 things:
> > -GS is lawful, so I'll never get it any other way than wishing and
> > crossing my fingers
> > -FB is awesome. So there. It does more damage and gives cool "you
> > freeze the whatsit" messages with every hit. And it's awesome too.
> >
> > Can anyone confirm the thing about keeping my luck low helping? I
> > could easily pickaxe a bunch of soko's boulders and put my luckstone in
> > a bag if that's what would help most...
> >
AFAIK, luck only affects the prayer outcome, not the sacrificing
outcome. You chance of getting an artifact from sacrificing goes down as
the number of artifacts increase, so it becomes progressively less
likely, but it you keep at it, you will eventually get all eligible
artifacts from sacrificing.
>
> Luck low is not true. You have the same chance of getting FB as any
> other possible artifact (i.e. not restricted by alignment) when your god
> grants you an artifact; however, the granted artifact still has the
> possibility of disappearing due to too many artifacts in existance.
That is just nonsense. You only get that when wishing for an artifact,
never from sacrificing for one.
>The
> chance of it staying is something like 2/n where n is the number of
> artifacts in the game already. If it does not stay then you get a
> message along the lines of "You briefly see an object appear at your
> feet, but then it vanishes!"
>
> If I were you, with 5 artifacts already I wouldn't bother continuing to
> try for FB. While there is no limit and eventually you WILL get FB, it
> will take some time. You probably have a reasonably good artifact
> already and holding out for FB is just asking for a YASD.
Cheers,
Art
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Art Willis
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Ascended: A R T H V R W
r o o e a a i
Janis Papanagnou
>
> Ascended: A R T H V R W
> r o o e a a i
Nice sig with your name. :-)
The second line, what is it?
r:regular?, o:ordinary?, e:extinctionist, a:atheist, i:illiterate??
The last one would be horrible!
Janis
Tapin
> Art Willis wrote:
> >
> > Ascended: A R T H V R W
> > r o o e a a i
>
> r:regular?, o:ordinary?, e:extinctionist, a:atheist, i:illiterate??
I'm guessing it's "ARchaeologist", "ROgue", "TOurist"...
> The last one would be horrible!
Certainly would. I tend to play my wizards as (mostly) close-combat
fighters for the first few levels to preserve Pw, but fully illiterate
would be... painful. Any of the crazy conduct people here want to
weigh in on the possibility of playing an illiterate wizard?
-t
Andy Johnson
> In article <Mo0pf.89$nj1.38@fed1read07>,
> Andy Johnson <swervy...@this-out.gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>blipster8 wrote:
>>Luck low is not true. You have the same chance of getting FB as any
>>other possible artifact (i.e. not restricted by alignment) when your god
>>grants you an artifact; however, the granted artifact still has the
>>possibility of disappearing due to too many artifacts in existance.
>
>
> That is just nonsense. You only get that when wishing for an artifact,
> never from sacrificing for one.
I distinctly remember seeing messages along the lines of "you see an
object appear at your feet, but then it vanishes!", which I attributed
to this situation. However, I just now tested the situation in Wizmode
and could not replicate it, so it appears that you are correct. I
apologize for spreading misinformation.
I can't say for sure, but during my tests it did seem that gifts were
still affected by the number of already created artifacts, just with no
associated message when one is not recieved. In my test, I wished up a
bunch of artifacts and then started sacrificing dragon corpses. I got
two gifts within the first 20 corpses but then not another for quite a
long time (probably 40 corpses) and then another 100 or so corpses
without another gift, at which point I stopped.
Doug Freyburger
Each artifact gift or artifact gotten some other way reduces the chance
of getting the next gift. 1/( 10 + 2 * gifts * totalartifacts ) is the
formula
per sacrafice, and it's only sacrafices after your prayer timeout is
zero
(the ones where you could see a clover).
So if you've never gotten an artifact it's 1/10+2*0*0 = 1/10.
One gift 1/10 +2*1*1 = 1/12.
Two gifts 1/10 + 2*2*2 = 1/18.
Three gifts 1/10 +2*3*3 = 1/28
Four gifts 1/10 + 2*4*4 = 1/42.
Five gifts 1/10 + 2*5*5 = 1/60.
The chances keep dropping each time. Artifacts that arrive by other
means (name, quest, wish, find, angel/lich/playermonst) increase
the second one so the slope gets steeper.
Interesting tidbit - The way the formula works, no matter how many
artifacts you get from other sources it never effects your *first*
artifact gift. It sure effects the second and on, though.
Art Willis
Janis Papanagnou <Janis_Pa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Art Willis wrote:
> >
> > Ascended: A R T H V R W
> > r o o e a a i
>
> Nice sig with your name. :-)
>
> The second line, what is it?
Read them with the letter above them.
> r:regular?, o:ordinary?, e:extinctionist, a:atheist, i:illiterate??
>
> The last one would be horrible!
>
> Janis
It's to distinguish the classes: Ro = rogue, Ra = ranger, etc.
Cheers,
Art
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Art Willis
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Ascended: A R T H V R W
Janis Papanagnou
> In article <do6u5u$hvs$1...@online.de>,
> Janis Papanagnou <Janis_Pa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Art Willis wrote:
>>
>>>Ascended: A R T H V R W
>>> r o o e a a i
>>
>>Nice sig with your name. :-)
>>
>>The second line, what is it?
>
> Read them with the letter above them.
Thank's, someone pointed that out already. I am simply not
used reading (like chinese?) top-down. :-) Or even arabic,
right to left. ;-)
So you have no other class available to ascend? There's no
'i' or 'l' class, but maybe an 's': A R T H V R W ' S ?
Janis