YAFAP, extinctionist Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha
Matthew E Bourland
Spoily...long
Well, I finally did it...after first playing 3.3.0 back in March sometime,
I ascended. I actually never came even very close before, with my
foodless weaponless tourists never quite getting to the quest. ;) I
decided rather than spending my time with the challanges, I'd finally go
all out and ascend a Wizard. If I recall correctly, this was my first
Wizard that I tried in such a manner, and I started with a +oID, but
little else of great note. I suppose I eventually found an additional /oW
(0:2) lying around past the Castle, but everything else seemed in normal
distribution. I wasted my wishes on numerous markers and a few spellbooks
that I didn't feel like waiting to pray for, but the waste didn't matter
because I eventually got everything I would have ever needed and more...
I REALLY abused polypiling this game and enjoyed it very much. After much
sacrificing I got Magicbane (the only artifact weapon I used) and a few
other crappy ones and got most all the needed spellbooks from my gracious
god (plus tons of points of protection). So, at some point I accidentlay
polymorphed my box-o-loot into a leash or something, so I figured I had
about 10000 turned until I had no spells, so I wasted a few last wishes on
+oPoly and +oCM kept on trucking. Eventually I accumlated a horde of
stuff and after polymorphing a bit, I noticed and abundance of
?oGenocide. After reversing Wraiths and nurses until I was bored, I got
rid of Lh;TH. Happy that I would have little tourble at this point
monster-wise, I continued sacrificing until I got back most of the
spellbooks I wanted. I noted that blessed unicorn horn pile poly nicley
into magic markers.
Oh, and the altar I used conveniently was at the top left corner of a
room, so by pounding out the corner three walls and using wizard lock on
the left and up holes, I was able to always create the monsters on the
Altar, and since I had charged up tons of =oPrtection and increase damage
and ate them as a Xorn, most everything died in just one or two
wacks. So, it really didn't take too long to build up like 36 pages of
stuff in one pile. Polypiling junk in that amount can really help fill in
your inventory.
So, at this point since I was deciding to horde tons of stuff, to
expediate the process, I decided to genocide all the creature that never
leave you with anything worthewile, like a,v,y,d,f,Z...etc
This REALLY made me have tons and tons of goodies, since I was left
killing only creatures that left something usually upon their
creata-death. So after some time, I dove into Jason Short's (my
roomate) source diver, and found some other good gencide options based
uppon number of creatures, and after no time I had genocided well over 100
species! So, at this time I decided to genocide and extinct EVERYTHING
possible and see what would happen.
After some time, I noticed that a few things stopped showing up, and that
every twenty creations yielded a Quantum Mechanic. After a few hours, I
realized that to do this without getting bored, I would have to genocide
everything else (including Dragons which I held out on for armor backups),
and start extincting the nongenocidable creatures. So, after more sourse
diving and polpiling for scrolls, my conduct said, you have genocided 256
creatures, which indeed is everything except myself, elf. This required
uncursed genociding of nurses, doppelgangers, soldiers, watch
captains...everything. I even wasted scrolls double checking my work.
So, I was amused to find that the only things left were golems,
Elementals, werestuff, and Titans and the like. Note, when paper golems
are one of twenty things left, you accumulate scrolls at a rediculous
rate. Most of those went to blessed ?oCharging to refill my power whenver
it emptied (note: read while confused).
So, eventually, nothing was created...I had killed everything (I had
thought). So, I went back thourhg every level and cast create monster and
then detect monster to get the "you feel lonely" message. Checked the
mines, Sokoban, and then around DLvl 14 or so I created a Ki-rin. 120
later (I counted) I was again lonely. Note I am glad I stored up tons of
lembas wafers, as corpses were few and far between. A few levels later,
the dreaded Arcons appeared. I wasn worried, but after some alchemy and
chaging, I had over 2000 HP and Power, so I was fine, even though they
kept summoning more monsters, namely other Arcons until there were over 50
on the screen surrounding me in a room. I was surprised to see that they
sometimes sommoned fire elementals and Coutals and iron golems even after
their extinction, but the code checks out that they summon a random
monster from a list that included those, plus Arcons and 50 or so already
genocided creatures. Thus, the behavior was normal. Eeventaully, I was
again lonely, and amused at the hordes of reflection shields, which
polypiled nicely into great backup armor. With all this backup armor, I
decided to waste 100 blessed enchantments to try and get some of my backup
good armor up to +6. I tore through 20 shirts and 6 gauntlets of power
and never got my wish. I even was careful to cursed enchant them back
down to +3 to safely get them to +5. Oh well. I did the same with silver
sabers and on my last spare +7 saber (the 12th IIRC) i got my +8
saber. Not that I really needed it, but WANTED it.
So, decked out to the max, I was lonely everywhere above hell, so I went
to hell and was bummed to note the creation of 8 or so different demons
and such. Figuring this would take some time, I wisened up. I kept
getting all sorts of crappy wands, so I polypiled them all into a good
amount of /oCM, which breaking over my head quickly created
monsters. With conflict, and a full room of demons, they were extincted
pretty quickly. Lonely again, I go back up to my icebox on Lvl10 which
included 12 cockatirce corpses just in case, and finalized my inventory,
read and quaff everything of use, and decided to ascend.
The actual process was really easy. With FoD and no monsters around, I
only had to kill Rodney a few times. The planes were REALLY weird! With
everything gone, each plane had only 3 devils each. No elementals at all,
and the water plane had nothing at all. The Astral plane had a few
priests, but just the lone Angel in conflict with me. The riders were
easy. I tried Death first, but Famine guarded the correct one. I killed
them all a few times for kicks, left two peaceful choatic preist to
survive and offered to goods. Ta Da!
I am still kicking myself over what I did next, but when I was copying my
inventory to a text file in another terminal, I hit the right mouse button
and it flew through all the page of my info. Well, with the log patch now
installed I don't have to worr y about THAT happening again. It felt like
a real waste, but I'll live to ascend again.
IIRC, I had every intrinsic almost, accept aggravate monster, magic
breathing, and probably something else. The recod file shows my score as:
3.3.1 22944482 7 -5 53 2678 2678 2 20001002 20000915 503 Wiz Elf Mal Cha
Edward, ascended
I also remeber having over 2900 MP, an AC in the -50s and I took all
artifacts and nice gems with me. I still had 30 blessed scrolls of
charging and some full healing just in case, but really didn't need it. I
really had expected much more from the planes, but not one single Air
Elemental was there when I knocked.
Other things of note, I died twice. Once I foolishly ate a tin of spinach
while satiated (even as an elf) and once again with Wraiths. I was
greedy the second time, but I had spare life saving out the wazoo, so it
didn't matter. I found Ludious eventually, with only iron golems and
Croeseus. My pets accidentaly killed all the shopkeepers (sorry about
THAT one) and also the Oracle.
I also learned to be careful when creating sacrifices not to go to quickly
and accidently pray twice in a row. My god was pissed at this mistake and
knocked my silly -22 intrinsic AC back to 10. With more donation and
careful prayers, I got it back around -50, but that -63 was nice for a
while.
I'll try to do it without scrolls of genocide sometime when I have more
patience and time. For a task like this, it would be nice (and unfiarly
advantagous) to have a counter for each creature so you know how close to
extinction you are so it shows up when you use the stethescope. Perhaps
apacifict extinctionist?
Not seeing the final screen due to my stupidity made the entire process
fell like a waste, but it is still wroth it all. The logfile patch will
be standard for me now so at least I can see which creatures I indeed
extincted, and see the 256 monsaters genocided message again. ;)
Happy hacking,
Matthew Bourland
Chase
>I wasn worried, but after some alchemy and
>chaging, I had over 2000 HP and Power, so I was fine.
>I decided to waste 100 blessed enchantments to try and get some of my
backup
>good armor up to +6. I tore through 20 shirts and 6 gauntlets of power
>and never got my wish.
>I go back up to my icebox on Lvl10 which
>included 12 cockatirce corpses just in case.
>I also remeber having over 2900 MP, an AC in the -50s and I >took all
>artifacts and nice gems with me. I still had 30 blessed scrolls of
>charging and some full healing just in case, but really didn't need >it.
uh.. I take it, you were playing in wizard mode?
Matthew E Bourland
> >I also remeber having over 2900 MP, an AC in the -50s and I >took all
> >artifacts and nice gems with me. I still had 30 blessed scrolls of
> >charging and some full healing just in case, but really didn't need >it.
>
> uh.. I take it, you were playing in wizard mode?
>
Actually, no. When I genocided all the creatures that don't leave
goodies, it didn't take very long to stockpile more than all the scrolls
I needed to polypile. In fact I was just overly patient and half crazy.
Matthew Bourland
Kate Nepveu
> So, at this time I decided to genocide and extinct EVERYTHING
> possible and see what would happen.
All I can say is, you're nuts. But in a good way.
Kate
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Oldayz
alot, planes are supposed to be harder (more elementals or something).
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keenan
Kate Nepveu wrote in message ...
>> possible and see what would happen.
>
That seems right ;)
Next challenge for him-extinct Rodney, Death, Pestilence, and Famine.
:)
Wuzat
Darren Lo
: Next challenge for him-extinct Rodney, Death, Pestilence, and Famine.
: :)
I know you meant that as a joke, but I don't think the Riders can go
extinct. From my last ascension (Archaeologist):
Vanquished creatures:
(...)
Death (255 times)
Pestilence (255 times)
Famine (255 times)
(...)
I don't think I killed them all exactly 255 times; I probably overflowed
a counter somewhere. Anyway, they were still alive and kicking when I
got bored and offered up the Amulet.
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Jason Short
>
> <snip>
>
> >I was worried, but after some alchemy and
> >charging, I had over 2000 HP and Power, so I was fine.
>
> >I decided to waste 100 blessed enchantments to try and get some of my
> backup
> >good armor up to +6. I tore through 20 shirts and 6 gauntlets of power
> >and never got my wish.
>
> >included 12 cockatirce corpses just in case.
>
> >I also remeber having over 2900 MP, an AC in the -50s and I took all
> >artifacts and nice gems with me. I still had 30 blessed scrolls of
> >charging and some full healing just in case, but really didn't need it.
>
I can assure that the only cheating he did was by flagrantly violating
every #conduct possible except wishing for artifacts.
You may think that his claims are rediculous, but consider the
following:
120 paper golems x 5 scrolls each = 600 scrolls
120 wraiths x 15? power each = 1600 power
120 cockatrices x (chance of leaving corpse) > 12 cockatrice corpses
120 shields of reflection + spell of polymorph = lots of magical armor
What percentage of scrolls on monsters come from paper golems? Not very
high, I imagine. How many potions of gain level/full healing will
monsters leave for every wraith corpse? When you kill ~20,000 monsters,
*most of which are high-level and likely to leave items*, the stuff
really adds up.
--
jason short
Jason Short
>
> I'm impressed! Congratulations. Although, I thought that when you genocide
> alot, planes are supposed to be harder (more elementals or something).
Supposedly, when you genocide things such as vortices, this causes other
monsters (generally more powerful monsters, such as elementals and
archons) to appear in their place.
However, Matt extincted all of these "harder" monsters, so that didn't
happen. What confuses me is that there were none of the normal
elementals there either. They are specifically named in the data files
and should (I thought) therefore be specifically created - which ignores
extinction (but not genocide). However, this does not appear to be the
case - on each plane there were just a few monsters, I think I remember
seeing 3 djinni on the plane of air and 3 water demons on the plane of
water. These couldn't be genocided and he didn't bother trying to
extinct them (since they never appear normally), so they were free to
show up.
--
jason short
Jason Short
>
As an observer of much of this rediculous and crazy game, I will give my
thoughts on it.
> I REALLY abused polypiling this game and enjoyed it very much. After much
> sacrificing I got Magicbane (the only artifact weapon I used) and a few
> other crappy ones and got most all the needed spellbooks from my gracious
> god (plus tons of points of protection). So, at some point I accidentlay
> polymorphed my box-o-loot into a leash or something, so I figured I had
> about 10000 turned until I had no spells, so I wasted a few last wishes on
> +oPoly and +oCM kept on trucking. Eventually I accumlated a horde of
> stuff and after polymorphing a bit, I noticed and abundance of
> ?oGenocide. After reversing Wraiths and nurses until I was bored, I got
> rid of Lh;TH. Happy that I would have little tourble at this point
> monster-wise, I continued sacrificing until I got back most of the
> spellbooks I wanted. I noted that blessed unicorn horn pile poly nicley
> into magic markers.
That's right, he was so polypile-happy that he accidentally polymorphed
his chest, containing numerous scrolls, potions, artifacts, and every
spellbook he owned into a random useless tool.
Also note that this create-sacrafice-repeat strategy only works
effectively with wizards, because of their much greater (5x increased?)
rate of power recharge.
> <snip>
> So, after more sourse
> diving and polpiling for scrolls, my conduct said, you have genocided 256
> creatures, which indeed is everything except myself, elf. This required
> uncursed genociding of nurses, doppelgangers, soldiers, watch
> captains...everything. I even wasted scrolls double checking my work.
There are exactly 256 genocidable types of monsters. He got them all,
even the *really* worthless ones like watchman and watch-captain.
> So, eventually, nothing was created...I had killed everything (I had
> thought). So, I went back thourhg every level and cast create monster and
> then detect monster to get the "you feel lonely" message. Checked the
> mines, Sokoban, and then around DLvl 14 or so I created a Ki-rin. 120
> later (I counted) I was again lonely. Note I am glad I stored up tons of
> lembas wafers, as corpses were few and far between. A few levels later,
> the dreaded Arcons appeared. I wasn worried, but after some alchemy and
> chaging, I had over 2000 HP and Power, so I was fine, even though they
> kept summoning more monsters, namely other Arcons until there were over 50
> on the screen surrounding me in a room. I was surprised to see that they
> sometimes sommoned fire elementals and Coutals and iron golems even after
> their extinction, but the code checks out that they summon a random
> monster from a list that included those, plus Arcons and 50 or so already
> genocided creatures. Thus, the behavior was normal. Eeventaully, I was
> again lonely, and amused at the hordes of reflection shields, which
> polypiled nicely into great backup armor. With all this backup armor, I
> decided to waste 100 blessed enchantments to try and get some of my backup
> good armor up to +6. I tore through 20 shirts and 6 gauntlets of power
> and never got my wish. I even was careful to cursed enchant them back
> down to +3 to safely get them to +5. Oh well. I did the same with silver
> sabers and on my last spare +7 saber (the 12th IIRC) i got my +8
> saber. Not that I really needed it, but WANTED it.
Archons summon monsters from a list of about 20 "nasties". Only about 3
of these are non-genocidable, the others all got replaced by a standard
"random" monster - which, since archons were the only valid
non-genocided non-extinct monsters, meant that the archon "summon nasty"
attack meant he was quickly surrounded by dozens of archons...until all
120 had been created.
> The actual process was really easy. With FoD and no monsters around, I
> only had to kill Rodney a few times. The planes were REALLY weird! With
> everything gone, each plane had only 3 devils each. No elementals at all,
> and the water plane had nothing at all. The Astral plane had a few
> priests, but just the lone Angel in conflict with me. The riders were
> easy. I tried Death first, but Famine guarded the correct one. I killed
> them all a few times for kicks, left two peaceful choatic preist to
> survive and offered to goods. Ta Da!
As I said in my other post, I was quite surprised that none of the
elementals appeared.
> I am still kicking myself over what I did next, but when I was copying my
> inventory to a text file in another terminal, I hit the right mouse button
> and it flew through all the page of my info. Well, with the log patch now
> installed I don't have to worr y about THAT happening again. It felt like
> a real waste, but I'll live to ascend again.
He was running across telnet in a terminal. He tried to select a
screenful of data to go to another terminal and paste into a text file,
but he thought he had to click the right mouse button to "copy" it
first. Alas, the right mouse button was "paste" (in his two-button
configuration) and so he pasted a screenful of inventory in as nethack
commands. This quickly jumped past all of the disclose information at
the end of the game, and he saw none of it.
I warn you all not to do the same! I installed the nethack dump patch
immediately afterwards.
> 3.3.1 22944482 7 -5 53 2678 2678 2 20001002 20000915 503 Wiz Elf Mal Cha
> Edward, ascended
I've ascended seven times, and he tops my high score by a factor of
almost three.
> Other things of note, I died twice. Once I foolishly ate a tin of spinach
> while satiated (even as an elf) and once again with Wraiths. I was
> greedy the second time, but I had spare life saving out the wazoo, so it
> didn't matter. I found Ludious eventually, with only iron golems and
> Croeseus. My pets accidentaly killed all the shopkeepers (sorry about
> THAT one) and also the Oracle.
Yep. He choked on a tin of spinach while having a strength of 18 as an
elf, and later choked on the 100th or so wraith corpse he ate with hp
and power in the thousands. Along with the polypile incident, and
another polyself in which he voluntarily tore through his t-shirt, SDSM,
and CoMR, these were his Mistakes. (I just dwell on them because
they're so funny in comparison to the rest of the game.)
Congratulations, Matt.
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jason short
Richard Fitzpatrick
>> possible and see what would happen.
>
Hear, hear, bravo. Completely certifiable.
But, hell, I haven't ROTFL like that at a rgrn post for... ever.
Well done.
Next time enhance Magicbane up to +10 and see what it does- if anything.
Richard.
Laura P Riccio
> I ascended. I actually never came even very close before, with my
Congratulations!
> species! So, at this time I decided to genocide and extinct EVERYTHING
> possible and see what would happen.
I've thought of doing this a few times, but never felt up to it.
I'm most impressed (and amused.)
> survive and offered to goods. Ta Da!
And you certainly appear to have had many goods to sacrifice to ;)
You offer the Amulet of Yendor to 33 blessed scrolls of charging --More--
You sense the scrolls of charging are pleased.
> I am still kicking myself over what I did next, but when I was copying my
> inventory to a text file in another terminal, I hit the right mouse button
> and it flew through all the page of my info. Well, with the log patch now
> installed I don't have to worr y about THAT happening again. It felt like
> a real waste, but I'll live to ascend again.
Ack! My consolations. Seeing the genocide list and the kill list
would have been most interesting.
> 3.3.1 22944482 7 -5 53 2678 2678 2 20001002 20000915 503 Wiz Elf Mal Cha
> I'll try to do it without scrolls of genocide sometime when I have more
> patience and time. For a task like this, it would be nice (and unfiarly
> advantagous) to have a counter for each creature so you know how close to
> extinction you are so it shows up when you use the stethescope. Perhaps
> apacifict extinctionist?
Scrolls of genocide and ring of conflict, I presume. Kill the last nasty
by luring it into a pit.
Congrats again and happy hacking
Laura
StarChaser_Tyger
>120 shields of reflection + spell of polymorph = lots of magical armor
Heh. Wouldn't it be evil if a pile containing a shield of reflection
reflected a polymorph zap?
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> Quoth Jason Short <jsh...@andrew.cmu.edu> :
>
> >120 shields of reflection + spell of polymorph = lots of magical armor
>
> Heh. Wouldn't it be evil if a pile containing a shield of reflection
> reflected a polymorph zap?
>
or even cooler : if you could setup a couple of shields of
reflection/amulets
of reflection, etc .. in a kind of "death trap"
Robert R. Schneck
Robert
Karl Knechtel
<snip>
: I can assure that the only cheating he did was by flagrantly violating
: every #conduct possible except wishing for artifacts.
: You may think that his claims are rediculous, but consider the
: following:
: 120 paper golems x 5 scrolls each = 600 scrolls
They only give avg. about 4 IME. Anyway, it seems to me that the hard
part here is gathering up enough magic marker charges to write the
scrolls. Generally you need to polypile *magical* tools to get magic
markers. (Well, I guess he gets 120 x 3 species of unicorn - 1 horn for
actual use = 359 unicorn horns to polypile, but still...)
: 120 wraiths x 15? power each = 1600 power
How do you get Pw from wraiths? IME they only give you a level up to 30,
and after that 5 HP and now Pw (unless I wasn't paying attention to Pw).
: 120 cockatrices x (chance of leaving corpse) > 12 cockatrice corpses
: 120 shields of reflection + spell of polymorph = lots of magical armor
Ah, right, he's a Wiz, he gets the spell. Fair enough.
: What percentage of scrolls on monsters come from paper golems? Not very
: high, I imagine. How many potions of gain level/full healing will
: monsters leave for every wraith corpse? When you kill ~20,000 monsters,
: *most of which are high-level and likely to leave items*, the stuff
: really adds up.
I missed the original YAAP. How many turns did it take him to get all 20k
monsters to appear in order to kill them all? (How many monsters can one
expect to get, on average, per reading of a +oCM?)
Heh... this sounds rather like my style of play though. Except I play the
warrior types and convert them into spellcasters (with +7 ]HoB, robe,
non-metallic armor, two-weapon instead of shield, maxed stats) for endgame.
>:)
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Jason Short
>
> Jason Short (jsh...@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
> : 120 paper golems x 5 scrolls each = 600 scrolls
>
> They only give avg. about 4 IME. Anyway, it seems to me that the hard
> part here is gathering up enough magic marker charges to write the
> scrolls. Generally you need to polypile *magical* tools to get magic
> markers. (Well, I guess he gets 120 x 3 species of unicorn - 1 horn for
> actual use = 359 unicorn horns to polypile, but still...)
(Serious spoilers here, before you read any further...)
(Also, sorry for the lack of context.)
He didn't use magic markers for any of these...he polypiled the scrolls
directly. Cancel them and bless them in groups of 100 or so, then
polypile them in stacks of 4...so that they have an average lifespan of
16 polymorphs [3]. You'll build up your collection of common scrolls
very quickly, and get an adequate supply of charging and genocide as
well.
> I missed the original YAAP. How many turns did it take him to get all 20k
> monsters to appear in order to kill them all? (How many monsters can one
> expect to get, on average, per reading of a +oCM?)
I don't know his turn count...maybe 120k...he was going incredibly
slowly, I think he was around 80k before he even started his
genocide/extinction rampage.
A reading of +oCM gives you 20k turns of use. Assuming you have things
setup for the most efficient summon-kill-offer setup (as he did), the
limiting factor is your rate of power recharge.
I'm probably wrong somewhere in here, but CM as a level 3 spell takes 15
power to cast [1]. A wizard with the eye and int+wis>=45 will recharge
1-4 points of power per game turn - an average of 2.5 [2]. (Without a
helm of brilliance this drops to 2 power per turn.) Thus, one CM spell
every 6 turns means 3,300 CM spells per 20k turns.
I'm ignoring CM spells that create multiple monsters and the potential
use of ?oC while confused. If you only use these means (no genocide),
it would take about 180k turns to kill all 30,000 or so monsters
necessary to extinct everything. (Also, if you figure 5 seconds per
kill, that's 41 hours of game time. 1 second per kill, which might be
reachable, makes it 8 hours.) Now, if you're worried about running out
of charges on the spellbook, you should realize that if you #offer each
corpse you will get books far faster than you can forget them.
(This brings back to mind what I once read of an automated nethack
player. While nethack playing is very difficult to duplicate with an
expert system, an extinctionist rampage would not be.)
--
jason short
[1] http://nethack.dhs.org/source/src/spell.c#L716
[2] http://nethack.dhs.org/source/src/allmain.c#L204
[3] http://nethack.dhs.org/source/src/zap.c#L880
DeborahRG
<snipped amazing tale>
Congratulations! Yours was a most enjoyable YAAP, and I bet you had some fun
too!
Deborah
keenan
Darren Lo wrote in message <8rbikq$fum$1...@news.doit.wisc.edu>...
>keenan <sss...@fast.net> wrote:
>
>: Next challenge for him-extinct Rodney, Death, Pestilence, and Famine.
>: :)
>
>I know you meant that as a joke, but I don't think the Riders can go
>extinct. From my last ascension (Archaeologist):
>
bigroom more than once in a month or so of play so..
Wuzat
Kieron Dunbar
> Matthew E Bourland wrote:
> Also note that this create-sacrafice-repeat strategy only works
> effectively with wizards, because of their much greater (5x increased?)
> rate of power recharge.
That's because of the Eye, isn't it? I'm not sure whether there's a
class-based effect, but anyone can get quite close by obtaining it. And it
only takes longer without the eye.
>> 3.3.1 22944482 7 -5 53 2678 2678 2 20001002 20000915 503 Wiz Elf Mal Cha
>> Edward, ascended
> I've ascended seven times, and he tops my high score by a factor of
> almost three.
You do get a lot of points for killing monsters. You should get points
deducted for such gratuitous time-wasting, though. :)
Congratulations to Matthew for doing all of this, though.
kwaheri, Kieron (reverse username to reply)
Jason Short
>
> Once upon a time, Jason Short wrote thus:
> >
> > Also note that this create-sacrafice-repeat strategy only works
> > effectively with wizards, because of their much greater (5x increased?)
> > rate of power recharge.
>
> class-based effect, but anyone can get quite close by obtaining it. And it
> only takes longer without the eye.
The Eye, yes. It (SPOILERS) causes you to recharge energy every game
turn rather than every 5 or so game turns (depending on your level).
The amount of energy you get back is dependent on your int+wis in
multiples of 15; 30 or more is good, 45 or more is better [1]. Other
classes could entirely reproduce this effect (it's not a class-based
effect) if they wished for the Eye, but you'd have to be neutral.
"It only takes longer" is a bit misleading; instead of 200,000 turns to
exterminate everything it would take 1,000,000 turns. Having the Eye
makes the game entirely different; magic changes from something you use
when necessary to the most convienient way to do *everything*.
[1] http://nethack.dhs.org/source/src/allmain.c#L204
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jason short
Matthew E Bourland
On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Kieron Dunbar wrote:
> Once upon a time, Jason Short wrote thus:
> > Matthew E Bourland wrote:
>
> >> 3.3.1 22944482 7 -5 53 2678 2678 2 20001002 20000915 503 Wiz Elf Mal Cha
> >> Edward, ascended
> > I've ascended seven times, and he tops my high score by a factor of
> > almost three.
>
> You do get a lot of points for killing monsters. You should get points
> deducted for such gratuitous time-wasting, though. :)
IIRC, it took only 120,000 turns, of which 40,000 probably were the
extincting part. In real time, it didn't take as long as I had thought it
would. Blessed charging helped me always have the PW.
I am ALL about gratuitous...
> Congratulations to Matthew for doing all of this, though.
Thank you, it was indeed an enjoyable first ascension.
Matthew
Raisse the Thaumaturge
> Spoily...long
> Well, I finally did it...after first playing 3.3.0 back in March sometime,
> I ascended.
Congratulations! Great story. I'd have died of boredom :-)
Raisse, killed by a system shock
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Donald Welsh
A glutinous voice rings out! You are crowned the Hand of Cthulhu!
>> Congratulations to Matthew for doing all of this, though.
Congratulations on ascending, especially in such an original manner!
>Thank you, it was indeed an enjoyable first ascension.
And an enjoyable YAAP.