Named demon generation and summoning
Ste
Or can anyone enlighten me about this?
I've read the Demogorgon FAQs on http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/,
but something is still not clear to me: other & can summon them
outside Gehennom? Does this summoning happen only when they melee you,
or can I just stay on Elbereth and waiting an average of 260 turns for
Orcus to gate Demogorgon?
What are the probabilities for the lawful demons to be generated?
And: why there are no neutral demons?!?
Another question: if a named demon, or other monsters that use to go
upstairs (cowards!) to recover, can escape the dungeon if they are at
level 1?
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Ste'
slMagnvox
news:8fda272e.03102...@posting.google.com:
> Is there a spoiler for the way the game generates named
> demons? Or can anyone enlighten me about this?
>
> I've read the Demogorgon FAQs on
> http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/, but something is still not
> clear to me: other & can summon them outside Gehennom? Does
> this summoning happen only when they melee you, or can I just
> stay on Elbereth and waiting an average of 260 turns for Orcus
> to gate Demogorgon? What are the probabilities for the lawful
> demons to be generated?
I couldn't tell you all the specific probablities, but nearly any &
(djinn can't, maybe a couple others), any & has a chance of
summoning another demon only when attacking you in melee without a
wielded weapon. Maybe you play it safe early on, but a recently
reckless character of mine saw Jubilex on level one, after a water
demon attacked a single round (Drink from the fountain? (y/n)).
Named demons are roughly a 1 in 100+ shot, past the initial 1 in 10
+ shot of the demon getting Hell-p (wasn't someone justing posting
about that, hell-p?) heh.
David Corbett
> Is there a spoiler for the way the game generates named demons?
> Or can anyone enlighten me about this?
Try http://www.nethack.de/spoiler/demon_summoning.txt
> I've read the Demogorgon FAQs on http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/,
> but something is still not clear to me: other & can summon them
> outside Gehennom? Does this summoning happen only when they melee you,
> or can I just stay on Elbereth and waiting an average of 260 turns for
> Orcus to gate Demogorgon?
It doesn't matter where they are: demons can summon anywhere. You can
stay on Elbereth and wait: they'll summon regardless.
> What are the probabilities for the lawful demons to be generated?
Same as for the chaotic ones (although they're only summoned by other
lawfuls).
> And: why there are no neutral demons?!?
Dunno. The Riders are neutral, if that helps.
> Another question: if a named demon, or other monsters that use to go
> upstairs (cowards!) to recover, can escape the dungeon if they are at
> level 1?
Yes, unless they're holding the Amulet.
David Corbett
> steve...@hotmail.com (Ste) wrote in
> news:8fda272e.03102...@posting.google.com:
>
>
>>Is there a spoiler for the way the game generates named
>>demons? Or can anyone enlighten me about this?
>>
>>I've read the Demogorgon FAQs on
>>http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/, but something is still not
>>clear to me: other & can summon them outside Gehennom? Does
>>this summoning happen only when they melee you, or can I just
>>stay on Elbereth and waiting an average of 260 turns for Orcus
>>to gate Demogorgon? What are the probabilities for the lawful
>>demons to be generated?
>
> I couldn't tell you all the specific probablities, but nearly any &
> (djinn can't, maybe a couple others), any & has a chance of
Incubi and succubi can't either.
> summoning another demon only when attacking you in melee without a
> wielded weapon. Maybe you play it safe early on, but a recently
Not true. You can summon demons fighting hand-to-hand if polymorphed
into a demon, but demons can summon other demons with a 1/13 chance per
move, whether or not they're in melee combat.
> reckless character of mine saw Jubilex on level one, after a water
> demon attacked a single round (Drink from the fountain? (y/n)).
> Named demons are roughly a 1 in 100+ shot, past the initial 1 in 10
> + shot of the demon getting Hell-p (wasn't someone justing posting
> about that, hell-p?) heh.
From http://www.nethack.de/spoiler/demon_summoning.txt
Demons: 95% demon, 5% demon lord, 0% demon prince
Demon Lords: 93.1% demon, 4.9% demon lord, 2% demon prince
[Juiblex, Yeenoghu]
Demon Princes: 71.75% demon, 23.75% demon lord, 5% demon prince.
[Asmodeus, Baalzebub, Dispater, Geryon, Demogrogon, Orcus]
David Corbett
> slMagnvox wrote:
>
>> I couldn't tell you all the specific probablities, but nearly any &
>> (djinn can't, maybe a couple others) [can summon other demons]
>
> Incubi and succubi can't either.
And neither can balrogs.
slMagnvox
hey all, sorry for the bogus info.
haste makes wasted bandwidth, eh? just thought qualified to field
this because I had just seen Jubi on lvl 1 is all heh.
David Corbett <dcorb...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in
news:LZtnb.583$Mn.5...@news.xtra.co.nz:
Eric Wright
Wouldn't that suck? Demogorgon escapes upstairs, taking the Amulet of
Yendor with him. You have a terrible sinking feeling. DYWYPI?
E
Nan Wang
> Ste wrote:
> > Another question: if a named demon, or other monsters that use to go
> > upstairs (cowards!) to recover, can escape the dungeon if they are at
> > level 1?
> Yes, unless they're holding the Amulet.
Sounds like an interesting way to escape Gehennom quickly.
Janis
>
> From http://www.nethack.de/spoiler/demon_summoning.txt
> Demons: 95% demon, 5% demon lord, 0% demon prince
> Demon Lords: 93.1% demon, 4.9% demon lord, 2% demon prince
> [Juiblex, Yeenoghu]
> Demon Princes: 71.75% demon, 23.75% demon lord, 5% demon prince.
> [Asmodeus, Baalzebub, Dispater, Geryon, Demogrogon, Orcus]
Hmm.. My orcish rogue has the *peaceful* Yeenoghu waiting upstairs.
Will it suffice to wait 50 moves or so to meet Dispater, Geryon, or
Demogorgon? (The others have gone.) Or has Yeenoghu to be hostile
to summon his friends?
And given that
"Demons can summon only coaligned demons with minion summoning"
that seems to be a 100% guarantee to meet Demogorgon 8-)
That megalomaniac orcish rogue is going to play with his life...
Janis
Bruce
> Will it suffice to wait 50 moves or so to meet Dispater, Geryon, or
> Demogorgon? (The others have gone.) Or has Yeenoghu to be hostile
> to summon his friends?
He needs to be hostile.
> And given that
> "Demons can summon only coaligned demons with minion summoning"
> that seems to be a 100% guarantee to meet Demogorgon 8-)
Assuming Orcus and Juiblex are dead, Demo is the only named demon that
can be summoned, sure. But Yeenoghu can always summon any number of
lesser chaotic demons.
--
Bruce Labbate | "Manners are important even when
shiftless layabout | standing amidst the volatile wreckage
| of experimental atomic tanks."
| - Dr. Doom
David Corbett
> Hmm.. My orcish rogue has the *peaceful* Yeenoghu waiting upstairs.
>
> Will it suffice to wait 50 moves or so to meet Dispater, Geryon, or
> Demogorgon? (The others have gone.) Or has Yeenoghu to be hostile
> to summon his friends?
He has to be hostile. And Dispater and Geryon aren't his friends,
because they're lawful.
> And given that
> "Demons can summon only coaligned demons with minion summoning"
> that seems to be a 100% guarantee to meet Demogorgon 8-)
Eventually, yes.
Pat Rankin
David Corbett <dcorb...@yahoo.co.nz> writes...
> Ste wrote:
[...]
>> And: why there are no neutral demons?!?
>
> Dunno. The Riders are neutral, if that helps.
Despite being displayed as '&' in the ASCII rendering, the Riders
are not classified as demons. Neither are djinn.