Customising the ascii chars used, including monster colors?

NevB

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Feb 8, 2011, 12:37:48 AM2/8/11

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Hi,

Is it possible to customise the monster colors used by Nethack - I
don't notice some of the darker colors from time to time which is a
cause for frustration.

Also, boulders show up on my system as an apostrophe, which makes
sokoban trickier than it needs to be - I'd like to change that too if
possible.

I'm on windows [sorry], and using IBM Graphics, running Nethack 3.4.3
locally.

Any tips appreciated,

TIA,

Nev

AnimalMagic

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Feb 8, 2011, 2:18:06 AM2/8/11

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On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 21:37:48 -0800 (PST), NevB <neville...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Have you tried reading ANY of the docs with the program?

Not much browsing will result in you finding the file that has the
character assignments in it. Can't take more than a minute or two.

How could you possibly need to have your hand held in EVERYTHING you do
in life?

Patric Mueller

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Feb 8, 2011, 1:47:42 AM2/8/11

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NevB <neville...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is it possible to customise the monster colors used by Nethack - I
> don't notice some of the darker colors from time to time which is a
> cause for frustration.

With this you can change the colors of the windows console:
http://bilious.homelinux.org/~paxed/wintermcolors.php

Vanilla doesn't have the ability to customize the color of monsters.
The only thing you can do is change the used colors with the option
"videocolors".

The next release of UnNetHack will allow you to change the color of
specific monsters in your config file:
MONSTERCOLOR='floating eye':lightmagenta

> Also, boulders show up on my system as an apostrophe, which makes
> sokoban trickier than it needs to be - I'd like to change that too if
> possible.

OPTIONS=boulder:0

Bye
Patric

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UnNetHack: http://apps.sf.net/trac/unnethack/

NevB

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Feb 8, 2011, 3:48:53 AM2/8/11

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On Feb 8, 6:18 pm, AnimalMagic <AnimalMa...@petersbackyard.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 21:37:48 -0800 (PST), NevB <neville.burn...@gmail.com>

By replying you prove you are not lazy.

However you also add ZERO to this thread.

So you would do yourself and the world a great favour by being lazy
and not replying,

NevB

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Feb 8, 2011, 3:49:56 AM2/8/11

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On Feb 8, 5:47 pm, Patric Mueller <bh...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

Thanks Patric,

The boulder option is a great help.

Javier Novoa C.

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Feb 8, 2011, 10:25:51 AM2/8/11

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On 2011-02-08, NevB <neville...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> By replying you prove you are not lazy.
>
> However you also add ZERO to this thread.
>
> So you would do yourself and the world a great favour by being lazy
> and not replying,

quite in agreement against the rudeness in the reply...

however, the point remains: also try and read the docs, there's the
info you are looking for ;)

--
Javier Novoa C.

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NevB

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Feb 8, 2011, 4:38:55 PM2/8/11

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Guys, RTFM/Google is implicit, just not helpful!

I lead a dev team and a support team.

Our users and even the support team ask questions every day which
***could** be answered with RTFM.

But we answer with details, links, etc - because that is how you build
your community.

OK. So I have read the guidebook in the past, and I missed the Boulder
option. I knew about the DUNGEON and MONSTERS options, but they don't
cover boulders or Color.

And I also know NAO uses a O instead of a ' for a boulder, so I
wondered if it was a compiled change, or optional change.

And after rereading the Guidebook, I'm still not sure if I can change
the color of specific monsters, or if you guys are referring to the
shading option - which doesn't do the trick.

So for anyone bothering to read this drivel, PLEASE, avoid the urge to
jump on a poster and tell them RTFM.

Instead, if you have the inclination, post something useful like a
link, etc.

Best Regards!

On Feb 9, 2:25 am, "Javier Novoa C."
<jsti...@invernalia.homelinux.net> wrote:

> On 2011-02-08, NevB <neville.burn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > By replying you prove you are not lazy.
>
> > However you also add ZERO to this thread.
>
> > So you would do yourself and the world a great favour by being lazy
> > and not replying,
>
> quite in agreement against the rudeness in the reply...
>
> however, the point remains: also try and read the docs, there's the
> info you are looking for ;)
>
> --
> Javier Novoa C.
>

> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...@netfront.net ---

Javier Novoa C.

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Feb 8, 2011, 4:54:58 PM2/8/11

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On 2011-02-08, NevB <neville...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Guys, RTFM/Google is implicit, just not helpful!
>
> I lead a dev team and a support team.
>
> Our users and even the support team ask questions every day which
> ***could** be answered with RTFM.
>
> But we answer with details, links, etc - because that is how you build
> your community.
>
> OK. So I have read the guidebook in the past, and I missed the Boulder
> option. I knew about the DUNGEON and MONSTERS options, but they don't
> cover boulders or Color.
>
> And I also know NAO uses a O instead of a ' for a boulder, so I
> wondered if it was a compiled change, or optional change.
>
> And after rereading the Guidebook, I'm still not sure if I can change
> the color of specific monsters, or if you guys are referring to the
> shading option - which doesn't do the trick.
>
> So for anyone bothering to read this drivel, PLEASE, avoid the urge to
> jump on a poster and tell them RTFM.
>
> Instead, if you have the inclination, post something useful like a
> link, etc.
>
> Best Regards!
>
>

wasn't a 'rtfm', just making a point :/ sorry to read that you took it
that way...

anyway, about colors, as far as I can remember, you just can't change
them, unless you recompile the game, but maybe there's a feature I
can't remember right now...

anyway, try not to top-post either, or take it so personal, really was
just a point I was making...

> On Feb 9, 2:25 am, "Javier Novoa C."
><jsti...@invernalia.homelinux.net> wrote:
>> On 2011-02-08, NevB <neville.burn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > By replying you prove you are not lazy.
>>
>> > However you also add ZERO to this thread.
>>
>> > So you would do yourself and the world a great favour by being lazy
>> > and not replying,
>>
>> quite in agreement against the rudeness in the reply...
>>
>> however, the point remains: also try and read the docs, there's the
>> info you are looking for ;)
>>
>> --
>> Javier Novoa C.
>>
>> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...@netfront.net ---
>

--
Javier Novoa C.

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Doug Freyburger

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Feb 8, 2011, 6:20:19 PM2/8/11

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NevB wrote:
>
> So for anyone bothering to read this drivel, PLEASE, avoid the urge to
> jump on a poster and tell them RTFM.

It's very helpful when someone points out that I've been reading the
wrong one and points me to the correct one!

WallyWallWhackr

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Feb 8, 2011, 10:45:35 PM2/8/11

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On Feb 8, 12:48 am, NevB <neville.burn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 6:18 pm, AnimalMagic <AnimalMa...@petersbackyard.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 21:37:48 -0800 (PST), NevB <neville.burn...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >Hi,
>
> > >Is it possible to customise the monster colors used by Nethack - I
> > >don't notice some of the darker colors from time to time which is a
> > >cause for frustration.
>
> > >Also, boulders show up on my system as an apostrophe, which makes
> > >sokoban trickier than it needs to be - I'd like to change that too if
> > >possible.
>
> > >I'm on windows [sorry], and using IBM Graphics, running Nethack 3.4.3
> > >locally.
>
> > >Any tips appreciated,
>
> > >TIA,
>
> > >Nev
>
> > Have you tried reading ANY of the docs with the program?
>
> > Not much browsing will result in you finding the file that has the
> > character assignments in it. Can't take more than a minute or two.
>
> > How could you possibly need to have your hand held in EVERYTHING you do
> > in life?
>
> By replying you prove you are not lazy.

Wow... you prove that your IQ is above 30 with that bright
observation.

>
> However you also add ZERO to this thread.

Sorry, but your price guess is over the limit, you will not be
playing in the finals.

>
> So you would do yourself and the world a great favour by being lazy
> and not replying,

Sure you aren't looking in a mirror as you scrawl this crap?
Grow up, little boy. Learn to RTFM.

WallyWallWhackr

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Feb 8, 2011, 10:46:48 PM2/8/11

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On Feb 8, 7:25 am, "Javier Novoa C."
<jsti...@invernalia.homelinux.net> wrote:

> On 2011-02-08, NevB <neville.burn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > By replying you prove you are not lazy.
>
> > However you also add ZERO to this thread.
>
> > So you would do yourself and the world a great favour by being lazy
> > and not replying,
>
> quite in agreement against the rudeness in the reply...

You're an idiot as well. It wasn't rude, it was a prod in the ribs,
pussy boy.

>
> however, the point remains: also try and read the docs, there's the
> info you are looking for ;)

It's called RTFM.

WallyWallWhackr

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Feb 8, 2011, 10:57:25 PM2/8/11

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On Feb 8, 1:38 pm, NevB <neville.burn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Guys, RTFM/Google is implicit, just not helpful!
>
> I lead a dev team and a support team.

Total bullshit. If you were in such a position, you would have had
no problem determining issue resolutions about an ASCII or ANSI or any
other computer character definition.

>
> Our users and even the support team ask questions every day which
> ***could** be answered with RTFM.

I sense more impending total BULLSHIT...

> But we answer with details, links, etc - because that is how you build
> your community.

Yeah, well written manuals, especially those from 20+ year old apps
like
this, are far more detailed than you or ANY of your dolting dipshit
"dev crew".

Again, you are SO UTTERLY FULL OF SHIT.

> OK. So I have read the guidebook in the past, and I missed the Boulder
> option.

That ain't all you missed. Either you are still an adolscent little
bitch, or
your mind is. Likely the latter, which is the worse of the two cases.

> I knew about the DUNGEON and MONSTERS options, but they don't
> cover boulders or Color.

You are NOT a computer program developer.

> And I also know NAO uses a O instead of a ' for a boulder, so I
> wondered if it was a compiled change, or optional change.

Yes, you also, however, need an IQ above 30. Between your lies
about being a program development leader and your pathetic grasp
of a basic 80 x 25 character screen, it can't be higher than 28.
I rescind my previous setpoint of 30+.

> And after rereading the Guidebook, I'm still not sure if I can change
> the color of specific monsters, or if you guys are referring to the
> shading option - which doesn't do the trick.

You first need a basic understanding of how the screen gets written
to to begin with.
It gets worse from there... for you. The lies about abilities
won't help at all.

> So for anyone bothering to read this drivel, PLEASE, avoid the urge to
> jump on a poster and tell them RTFM.

RTFM, idiot. is that better?

> Instead, if you have the inclination, post something useful like a
> link, etc.

When you get to this special link, you READ, right?

You stupid twit! READ THE FUCKING MANUAL, you goddamned,
rules are meant to be broken, lying little fucktard!

>
> Best Regards!

Bullshit
Quoting and replying to your own post (top posting no less) shows
MORE utter stupidity.

Sheesh, just go find a tall bridge dipshit.

WallyWallWhackr

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Feb 8, 2011, 11:02:46 PM2/8/11

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Jeez, the little "dev team leader" could use a GOOGLE search mindset
too!
Every NetHack hint and help known to man is out there. Hell, it only
has set
numerous records for numerous computer related feats.

I'll bet my blind friend could get his PC to find it in a minute or
so.

WTF has this twit been doing for the last decade?

Am I the only one that thinks that a dope claiming to "lead a dev
team"
having problems with nethack character assignments as being indicative
of a false front?

Oh... I'm sorry... it must be all those fine drugs they have over
there.

Jeez... gimmie a break! This guy doesn't even rate tourist! (in so
many ways)

NevB

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Feb 9, 2011, 1:56:35 AM2/9/11

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Awwww shucks ... are you asking me out on a date?

That's so sweet!

NevB

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Feb 9, 2011, 3:23:07 AM2/9/11

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Folks, I have been slimed by the notorious Archie, aka

THE DIMBULB SCORECARD

Message has been deleted

JStitch

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Feb 9, 2011, 9:21:59 AM2/9/11

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On Feb 8, 9:46 pm, WallyWallWhackr <gonna_get_you_...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 7:25 am, "Javier Novoa C."
>
> <jsti...@invernalia.homelinux.net> wrote:
> > On 2011-02-08, NevB <neville.burn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > By replying you prove you are not lazy.
>
> > > However you also add ZERO to this thread.
>
> > > So you would do yourself and the world a great favour by being lazy
> > > and not replying,
>
> > quite in agreement against the rudeness in the reply...
>
> You're an idiot as well. It wasn't rude, it was a prod in the ribs,
> pussy boy.

oh dear, I won't sleep after this...

>
>
>
> > however, the point remains: also try and read the docs, there's the
> > info you are looking for ;)
>
> It's called RTFM.

yeah, whatever...

Jorgen Grahn

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Feb 9, 2011, 9:33:17 AM2/9/11

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On Wed, 2011-02-09, Jukka Lahtinen wrote:

> NevB <neville...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I lead a dev team and a support team.
>

> So? I don't see any relevance to Nethack there, as I am quite sure you
> are not in the Nethack devteam.

His point was in the part you snipped -- about in /his/ team they
humor users, even users who should have RTFM instead. Not a strong
point perhaps, but still ...

I also have to say that:

- Customization is one of the areas where you may need to ask around.
There are all the different OSes, user interfaces, IBMGraphics versus
whatever-the-other-is, configuration in NetHack versus in the OS ...

- The first response he got /was/ overly rude.

/Jorgen

--
// Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . .
\X/ snipabacken.se> O o .

Benjamin A. Schmit

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Feb 9, 2011, 8:41:27 AM2/9/11

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To add a bit of actual content to this long, mostly-useless thread:
Strange characters may also be caused by an incompatible codepage
setting in Windows. This old relict from DOS times can be changed
somewhere under Control Panel –> Regional Options (exact spot AFAIK
depends on Windows version). If you have something else than 437
(English/US) there, that might well be the reason for what you see.

Benjamin

--
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires.
Seek discipline and find your liberty.
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My Name Is Tzu How Do You Do

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Feb 9, 2011, 10:37:13 PM2/9/11

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On 9 Feb 2011 14:33:17 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn...@snipabacken.se>
wrote:

>- The first response he got /was/ overly rude.

His subsequent lies about being a programmer are an insult to the group
and all in it. He would know about these scenarios, even on other
platforms if he were, much less the RTFM THING!

I was spot on.

Face it, the fucker shot himself right in the head, much less the foot.
He bypassed it completely. Sad thing is. liars usually don't have
anything for the gun to blow out.

Janis Papanagnou

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Feb 10, 2011, 8:41:36 AM2/10/11

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Now this is funny. The original poster - even a newbie! - feels the urge to
define the rules, what sort of answers to expect or not, while ignoring the
very basic rules himself. And the rudest poster here around talks about "an
insult to the group". You guys are great, really! :-)

Janis

Perenis

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Feb 10, 2011, 11:35:51 PM2/10/11

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Some retarded little bastard that is too dumb to know anything about
ASCII can hardly be believed when he claims to be a dev team lead.

I'm sorry, but THAT IS am insult to the entire group, and if you are
blind to that, you can only be yet another adolescent minded twit that
never learned anything from any parents or anyone else about anything.

You "It's all good" idiots make me laugh.

It is NOT "all good" The little twit lied.

Janis Papanagnou

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Feb 11, 2011, 5:17:47 AM2/11/11

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On 11.02.2011 05:35, Perenis wrote:
>
> Some retarded little bastard that is too dumb to know anything about
> ASCII can hardly be believed when he claims to be a dev team lead.

The OP's posting was quite silly, and funny in that respect. I really
had a smile when he demanded "useful" contributions and wrote all that
crap before...

>
> I'm sorry, but THAT IS am insult to the entire group, and if you are
> blind to that, you can only be yet another adolescent minded twit that
> never learned anything from any parents or anyone else about anything.
>
> You "It's all good" idiots make me laugh.
>
> It is NOT "all good" The little twit lied.

...but c'mon. That guy will soon notice what's going on here; I've seen
it so many times that some clueless newbies jump into a group new to
them and try to position their personality. That's a temporary issue;
or else a kill file will solve that smoothly. OTOH, your language seems
to not be a temporary issue; and that language *is* offending. YMMV.

Janis

TheGlimmerMan

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Feb 11, 2011, 6:04:15 AM2/11/11

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I was wrong. Kids these days not only had no parents to raise them,
they became so bland that they don't even know how to cuss.

SO even you piss and moan.

To me, *that* is offensive.