YAFMC

[Janis Papanagnou]

YAFMC...

"You snuff the candles. You can see again."

Janis

[Corey]

To: Janis Papanagnou
Re: YAFMC
By: Janis Papanagnou to rec.games.roguelike.nethack on Sun Feb 19 2012 11:25 am

> YAFMC...
>
> "You snuff the candles. You can see again."
>
> Janis

maybe you have light blindness?

[Janis Papanagnou]

On 19.02.2012 16:30, Corey wrote:
> By: Janis Papanagnou to rec.games.roguelike.nethack on Sun Feb 19 2012 11:25 am
>
> > YAFMC...
> >
> > "You snuff the candles. You can see again."
>

> maybe you have light blindness?

(If I only knew what that is.)

Reminds me of an old song 40 years ago; "Blinded by the light" from Bruce
Springsteen (also known from Manfred Mann's Earth Band a few years later).

Janis

[Jonadab the Unsightly One]

On Feb 19, 11:40 am, Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanag...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> (If I only knew what that is.)

When the amount of light going into your eyes suddenly increases
by quite a bit, it can leave you blinded for a moment. You can
actually do this to someone on purpose: sneak up on them in
the dark and suddenly flash a bright light in their eyes. They
won't be able to see anything for a few seconds. It's also an
uncomfortable sensation.

[GaryOlson]

If you really are snuffing, then you have turned your candles to
powder and inhaled them. Perhaps the message should also read "The air
smells unusually of bee pollen"

Gary

On Feb 19, 4:25 am, Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanag...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

[Janis Papanagnou]

On 23.02.2012 01:08, GaryOlson wrote:
> If you really are snuffing, then you have turned your candles to
> powder and inhaled them. Perhaps the message should also read "The air
> smells unusually of bee pollen"

Hmm.. - snuffing; I have a picture in mind like the guy in "A Fish
Called Wanda", who had French fries stuffed in his nose. Something
like that with candles, maybe?

Janis

[WoolyBully]

Except his was in 1973 and was so bad that it didn't even make the
charts. Nobody in the real world ever heard the song until the 1976
chart topper by Manfred Mann.

I never thought much of Bruce. Not many other did then either. How he
ever made it must simply be the sheer numbers. With at least a billion
dopes, one can rest assured at least a million of them have poor taste.

[rpresser]

On Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:36:16 AM UTC-5, WoolyBully wrote:
> I never thought much of Bruce. Not many other did then either. How he
> ever made it must simply be the sheer numbers. With at least a billion
> dopes, one can rest assured at least a million of them have poor taste.

I thoroughly disagree with you, and calling those who disagree with you "dopes with poor taste" is ... in poor taste.

But, de gustibus non disputandum est.

[Janis Papanagnou]

Indeed.

While taste varies, many of his (Springsteens) songs undoubtly have
been copied/interpreted by quite some groups; this tells a lot about
the "bad quality" of his songs. ;-)

The other poster seems to be right, though, that Manfred Mann's
interpretation was much more popular. To place another Latin phrase;
"vox populi, vox Rindvieh".[*] Or a variant that may be considered
bad language - so don't read further, if you have problems with such
language! - ... [**]

Janis

[*] Rindvieh: [german; "cattle"]

[**] "Million flies cannot be wrong; eat more sh**!"

[Doug Freyburger]

rpresser wrote:
> WoolyBully wrote:
>
>> I never thought much of Bruce. Not many other did then either. How he
>> ever made it must simply be the sheer numbers. With at least a billion
>> dopes, one can rest assured at least a million of them have poor taste.
>
> I thoroughly disagree with you, and calling those who disagree with yo

> "dopes with poor taste" is ... in poor taste.

To demonstrate the problem with that line of reasoning substitute Bruce
Springfield above with McDonalds. McDonalds is by a huge margin the
most successful restaurant chain anywhere in the world at any time in
history, yet virtually every foodie in the world pans them. Expertese
matters.

Not that I'm going to apply the issue of exertese to music. I still
hear Elvis Presley on the radio and I hoped that would end when Michael
Jackson died. It didn't happen. Sigh.

[Jonadab the Unsightly One]

On Feb 22, 7:08 pm, GaryOlson <garyolson....@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you really are snuffing, then you have turned your candles to
> powder and inhaled them. Perhaps the message should also read "The air
> smells unusually of bee pollen"

That would be "sniffing". Note the different vowel.

The verb "snuff" means the same thing as "extinguish".

As a noun, "snuff" is something that's put in the mouth,
NOT something inhaled (albeit, for a similar purpose).

[Javier Novoa C.]

On 2012-02-23, Doug Freyburger <dfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> To demonstrate the problem with that line of reasoning substitute Bruce
> Springfield above with McDonalds. McDonalds is by a huge margin the

Is that a Simpson's parody of Bruce Springsteen? :P

--
Javier

--- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to ne...@netfront.net ---

[Jorgen Grahn]

On Thu, 2012-02-23, Javier Novoa C. wrote:
> On 2012-02-23, Doug Freyburger <dfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> To demonstrate the problem with that line of reasoning substitute Bruce
>> Springfield above with McDonalds. McDonalds is by a huge margin the
>
> Is that a Simpson's parody of Bruce Springsteen? :P

Let's hope he briefly confused Bruce Springsteen and Rick Springfield,
who was reasonably popular circa 1985. Or perhaps Buffalo Springfield
is more likely?

/Jorgen

--
// Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . .
\X/ snipabacken.se> O o .

[Jorgen Grahn]

Wikipedia disagrees with you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff

(Although I suppose the oral dipping tobacco/moist snuff/snus is far
more common today.)

[Jonadab the Unsightly One]

On Feb 23, 3:55 pm, Doug Freyburger <dfrey...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> To demonstrate the problem with that line of reasoning substitute Bruce
> Springfield above with McDonalds. McDonalds is by a huge margin the
> most successful restaurant chain anywhere in the world at any time in
> history, yet virtually every foodie in the world pans them. Expertese
> matters.

On the one hand, it's true that a lot of people have bad taste.

On the other hand, McDonald's isn't popular because of anything to do
with food quality. They're popular for a variety of reasons:
convenience, a standard menu so that no matter which individual
restaurant you go into you know exactly what you're going to get (you
can even decide what to order before you get there), speed,
consistently cleaner restrooms than almost any other large chain
(which matters more than you might think to people who do a lot of
long-distance driving), an incredible knack for selecting the very
best possible locations in virtually every community, at least half of
the fifty most impressive advertising campaigns in the history of the
planet, the largest and most pervasive advertising program of pretty
much any consumer brand, a market research team that has really only
had one major flub-up in their entire history, ...

Food quality? Meh. If people wanted *good* food, they'd buy some
fresh ingredients and go home and cook. People don't always want to
do that. Food quality isn't the *point*. It's not like their food is
significantly worse than that of most other fast-food burger joints or
anything. What do you want? It's fast food. (Well, it's fast if you
go in the daytime. All bets are off after 5pm, but that's true of
most fast food chains, with pizza places and Taco Bell being notable
exceptions, and they don't serve breakfast.)

> Not that I'm going to apply the issue of [expertise] to music. I still

> hear Elvis Presley on the radio and I hoped that would end when
> Michael Jackson died. It didn't happen. Sigh.

You listen to the radio? Dude, that's worse than eating at
McDonald's.

Real music has counterpoint. Contrario moto. Vanishingly close to
100% of the really good music was written by the middle of the
eighteenth century -- although the last century or so has produced
some excellent performances and recordings of said music. (I think I
could listen to the Munchinger string-ensemble rendition of BWV1080
every day for the rest of my life and never get tired of it...)

[Corey]

To: Javier Novoa C.
Re: Re: YAFMC
By: Javier Novoa C. to rec.games.roguelike.nethack on Thu Feb 23 2012 11:04 pm

> --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to news@netfront.n

once in the SCA I owned a two handed broadsword and named it, bruce
springsteel.

[WoolyBully]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:22:47 -0800 (PST), rpresser <rpre...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:36:16 AM UTC-5, WoolyBully wrote:
>> I never thought much of Bruce. Not many other did then either. How he
>> ever made it must simply be the sheer numbers. With at least a billion
>> dopes, one can rest assured at least a million of them have poor taste.
>
>I thoroughly disagree with you,

I thoroughly think that you have zero grasp of what good music is.

> and calling those who disagree with you "dopes with poor taste" is ...

I said nothing about someone disagreeing with me. What I said was that
if you like Brice, you are tasteless, musically speaking, and very likely
in several other realms as well.

> in poor taste.

You would first have to be capable of making a valid assessment in such
matters. The fact that you like his pathetic crap is proof that you have
no such capacity.

>But, de gustibus non disputandum est.

Yeah, it was stupid the first time the dumbfuck said it too.

[WoolyBully]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 20:55:41 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
<dfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>rpresser wrote:
>> WoolyBully wrote:
>>
>>> I never thought much of Bruce. Not many other did then either. How he
>>> ever made it must simply be the sheer numbers. With at least a billion
>>> dopes, one can rest assured at least a million of them have poor taste.
>>
>> I thoroughly disagree with you, and calling those who disagree with yo
>> "dopes with poor taste" is ... in poor taste.
>
>To demonstrate the problem with that line of reasoning substitute Bruce
>Springfield above with McDonalds. McDonalds is by a huge margin the
>most successful restaurant chain anywhere in the world at any time in
>history, yet virtually every foodie in the world pans them. Expertese
>matters.

No. They fool the public just like Popiel's Pocket Fisherman crap
does. They know how to push gullible idiots' secret buttons.


The fact you are unaware of this means that you are loaded up with such
secret buttons as well.

>
>Not that I'm going to apply the issue of exertese to music.

Bruce ain't all that. Never was.

A lot of idiots like gang rap too. You gonna tout that as good by
using some attendance numbers or sakes figures? All it really proves is
that the current and last generation (those that came after mine) are
about as retarded as it can possibly get.

> I still
>hear Elvis Presley on the radio and I hoped that would end when Michael
>Jackson died. It didn't happen. Sigh.

No THAT was a stupid remark.

I like music like that of the FIRST Genesis group (NOT the Phil Baby
stupidity bubble gum baby bullshit Su Su Sudio dumbshit.

With lyrics like "A time when honor meant more to a man than life..."

Peter Gabrial. Now there is a REAL musical artist.

Any idiot can make "Poker Run" stupid shit music.

[WoolyBully]

You ain't real bright. Snuff was most certainly inhaled, and you
missing that one, which was so easy to pick up on, is a real tell of your
lack of common sense.

SNUFF, SNIFF, PUFF... all similar words. Snuff was originally for
folks where smoking had been banned. And YES, it WAS SNIFFED, NOT "put a
pinch in your mouth". That is an entirely different animal.

[WoolyBully]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:04:01 +0000 (UTC), "Javier Novoa C."
<jst...@invernalia.homelinux.net> wrote:

>On 2012-02-23, Doug Freyburger <dfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> To demonstrate the problem with that line of reasoning substitute Bruce
>> Springfield above with McDonalds. McDonalds is by a huge margin the
>
>Is that a Simpson's parody of Bruce Springsteen? :P

"Contents may be hot" McDonalds' coffee cups

"Attempts at Music may be meaningless tripe." Warning needed on BS
album covers.

[WoolyBully]

On 23 Feb 2012 23:18:00 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn...@snipabacken.se>
wrote:

>On Thu, 2012-02-23, Javier Novoa C. wrote:
>> On 2012-02-23, Doug Freyburger <dfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> To demonstrate the problem with that line of reasoning substitute Bruce
>>> Springfield above with McDonalds. McDonalds is by a huge margin the
>>
>> Is that a Simpson's parody of Bruce Springsteen? :P
>
>Let's hope he briefly confused Bruce Springsteen and Rick Springfield,
>who was reasonably popular circa 1985. Or perhaps Buffalo Springfield
>is more likely?
>
>/Jorgen

You must be an idiot too. Rick was not that great, but Buffalo
Sprinfield was great. For you to simply do a google hunt and GUESS at
whatever it is you think you are telling folks, is pretty pathetic.

[WoolyBully]

On 23 Feb 2012 23:32:36 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn...@snipabacken.se>
wrote:

>(Although I suppose the oral dipping tobacco/moist snuff/snus is far
>more common today.)
>
>/Jorgen

If it is moist, and not in powder form, it isn't snuff.

[WoolyBully]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 18:25:34 -0800, WoolyBully
<Wooly...@arcticicemasses.org> wrote:

> No. They fool the public just like Popiel's Pocket Fisherman crap
>does. They know how to push gullible idiots' secret buttons.

BTW, I saw a "2 for $3.00" Bic Mac ad last week. I bought a pair. The
patties were literally no bigger than the old White Castle patties.

They were not even 3/16" thick!

It is really sad. Folks should simply boycott them out of business. It
doesn't matter some of their stuff tastes good. It is CRAP if they spend
all their time nipping away at the original product to simply gussie up
their greedy bastard shareholders and directors.

It was the saddest state I have seen their "product" in yet.

McDonalds sucks. Not the food. The BUSINESS MODEL!

BOYCOTT McDonalds! They are money grubbing greedy bastards who should
go down for the count. PERIOD!

[rpresser]

You know what, I was going to exercise restraint and point out how rude, ignorant, supercilious and self-absorbed you are making yourself sound. Instead I'm going to tell you to go fuck yourself sideways with a chainsaw. There, now I'm exactly at your level.

[WoolyBully]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:41:51 -0800 (PST), rpresser <rpre...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>You know...

SNIP

Dumb dork with a web based access again.

Line length in Usenet is 72 characters or less, idiot.

I know you'llhave a hard time with that too though. Were you a Ritalin
child, child?

How many fucking years you been here and you are still stubbornly,
ignorantly, (gang boy retardedly) failing to learn the friggin
conventions, and you want me to have sympathy for your pathetic musical
taste now as well?

You DO need to "sweat-the-details", because you are so damned near
blind that you screw people around you buy ignoring them.

[Doug Freyburger]

Jonadab the Unsightly One wrote:

> Doug Freyburger <dfrey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> To demonstrate the problem with that line of reasoning substitute Bruce
>> Springfield above with McDonalds. McDonalds is by a huge margin the
>> most successful restaurant chain anywhere in the world at any time in
>> history, yet virtually every foodie in the world pans them. Expertese
>> matters.
>
> On the one hand, it's true that a lot of people have bad taste.

Nethack has this same pattern as well. One of the best games in history
based on the longevity of its popularity yet never in the top 100. It
takes good taste to like Nethack.

> On the other hand, McDonald's isn't popular because of anything to do
> with food quality.

Equally true of the music in question, as you point out at the bottom of
your post -

>> Not that I'm going to apply the issue of [expertise] to music. I still
>> hear Elvis Presley on the radio and I hoped that would end when
>> Michael Jackson died. It didn't happen. Sigh.
>
> You listen to the radio? Dude, that's worse than eating at
> McDonald's.

Shrug. The stereo in the car plays radio whenever there's no audiobook
in the disc player. it happens.

> Real music has counterpoint. Contrario moto. Vanishingly close to
> 100% of the really good music was written by the middle of the
> eighteenth century -- although the last century or so has produced
> some excellent performances and recordings of said music. (I think I
> could listen to the Munchinger string-ensemble rendition of BWV1080
> every day for the rest of my life and never get tired of it...)

Who's the "recent" string quartet composer I like so much? Schonbrun,
Schonburg? But survey the experts and the quality of composers goes
something like Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Wagner. I happen to sort the
list Wagner, Mozart, Bach, Beethoven but otherwise largely agreed.

Then again Gregorian chants rule. As do Jean Michelle Jare electronic
and a wide assortment of modern but less popular work.

I sorta get and sorta don't get rap. On the one hand I can picture a
modern English translation of Beowulf or Odyseus done as raps. On the
other hand most of them ar emore like "go into the living rooom and
destroy the sofa". Ah well, Sturgeon's Law applies. Ninety percent of
everything is crap. The correlary is a generation from now we'll only
remember the best 10% (still stuck listening to Elvis, sigh). Two
generations from now we'll only remember the best 1% (so The Entertainer
is the only ragtime left, sigh). Three generations from now it's 0.1%
and so on. Beethoven through Wagner, maybe they have survived the
generational culling and they will be remembered in another thousand
years. I can only hope Elvis drops off before I croak.

And a few with expert good taste will still be playing Nethack!

[HectorZeroni]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:31:27 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
<dfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Nethack has this same pattern as well. One of the best games in history
>based on the longevity of its popularity yet never in the top 100. It
>takes good taste to like Nethack.

It takes good taste to dislike Bruce Springrot too.

[Janis Papanagnou]

As being a matter of taste, claiming this is utter nonsense. Troll.

[Jorgen Grahn]

And (you didn't point it out clearly enough) a nym shifter for the
Springsteen hater upthread. Let's all ignore him, okay?

[Jorgen Grahn]

On Fri, 2012-02-24, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> Jonadab the Unsightly One wrote:

...

>> Real music has counterpoint. Contrario moto. Vanishingly close to
>> 100% of the really good music was written by the middle of the
>> eighteenth century -- although the last century or so has produced
>> some excellent performances and recordings of said music.

I've come to the conclusion that "music" means different things to
different people. I don't get "serious" music and don't think I ever
will. The poetry and the raw emotion seems to be absent.

That doesn't mean that Bach isn't real music. But it also doesn't mean
that "Vivisect VI" by Skinny Puppy or the pakistani album by Taken by Trees
(the albums that happen to sit at my desk at the moment) aren't real,
and worth bleeding for.

I went to a local heayvy metal bandstand last Saturday. I don't get
modern metal, either. I wonder if fans of classical music would get
"Frozen Iller" or "Disinted Ghoul"[1] better than me?

> I sorta get and sorta don't get rap. On the one hand I can picture a
> modern English translation of Beowulf or Odyseus done as raps. On the
> other hand most of them ar emore like "go into the living rooom and
> destroy the sofa". Ah well, Sturgeon's Law applies.

For music, I think Sturgeon's law works like this:
- 1% is played constantly on the radio
- of that 1%, 10% is brilliant but overexposed. The rest is crap.
- 99% is not played regularly on the radio
- of those 99%, 90% is crap and some of the rest is brilliant

This means you have to make an effort, or be stuck with music which
mostly sucks. I haven't made that effort with rap, but I have reason
to believe it's true there too.

/Jorgen

[1] Silly band name; obligatory Nethack reference.

[HectorZeroni]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 12:20:42 +0200, Jukka Lahtinen
<jtfj...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>Are you talking about somebody playing Nethack, or just trolling way
>off-topic?

Where is you pathetic post where you attack the poster who started this
stupid crap about music in the middle of this thread?

Oh, that's right... you merely trash the folks who respond to the
fucktard.

Jukka not too fucking bright, boys. Goddamned crybaby wimps on Usenet
are what fucking ruined it to start with.

[Jonadab the Unsightly One]

On Feb 24, 11:40 pm, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+n...@snipabacken.se> wrote:

> I've come to the conclusion that "music" means different things to
> different people. I don't get "serious" music and don't think I ever
> will. The poetry and the raw emotion seems to be absent.
>
> That doesn't mean that Bach isn't real music. But it also doesn't mean
> that "Vivisect VI" by Skinny Puppy or the pakistani album by Taken by Trees
> (the albums that happen to sit at my desk at the moment) aren't real,
> and worth bleeding for.

Raw emotion isn't an important component of music. In
fact, if I want to experience the kind of "raw emotion" that
would be invoked by listening to Skinny Puppy albums
all the time, I don't really need music at all. The same
effect could be accomplished by running arbitrary portions
of my anatomy through a wood chipper. (Yes, I have
heard Skinny Puppy's attempts at "music". I knew a
guy in college who was into them. He admitted point
blank that "sure, it's basically feedback and distortion
amplified, but I like it". There's no accounting for taste.)

> For music, I think Sturgeon's law works like this:
> - 1% is played constantly on the radio
> - of that 1%, 10% is brilliant but overexposed. The rest is crap.

I'd have said more like 0.1% and 99.9%, but sure, the
basic principle holds.

And yes, the stuff not played on the radio has just as
high a percentage of drivel and garbage as the stuff
that *is* played on the radio -- maybe even higher.
The difference is, if you're selecting music for yourself
rather than letting the radio people do it, you can listen
mostly to stuff that's good and choose NOT to listen
to the junk.

> This means you have to make an effort, or be stuck with music which
> mostly sucks. I haven't made that effort with rap, but I have reason
> to believe it's true there too.

There are a small handful of rap pieces that I actually like.

Actually, there are really only two genres that I absolutely
categorically can't stand at all (those two being country and
polka -- I would rather listen to an amalgam of used car
dealership commercials and construction-site sound effects
than country or polka). Most of the rest is vaguely tolerable
but not what I would choose to listen to on purpose without
some kind of ulterior reason (e.g., when I was studying the
Japanese language I actually listened to quite a bit of jpop,
not because I think it's good music -- it's mostly not -- but
because it had lyrics in the language I was studying).

But I've noticed that almost all of the really good stuff
is contrapuntal.

[Jorgen Grahn]

On Sat, 2012-02-25, Jonadab the Unsightly One wrote:
> On Feb 24, 11:40 pm, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+n...@snipabacken.se> wrote:
>
>> I've come to the conclusion that "music" means different things to
>> different people. I don't get "serious" music and don't think I ever
>> will. The poetry and the raw emotion seems to be absent.
>>
>> That doesn't mean that Bach isn't real music. But it also doesn't mean
>> that "Vivisect VI" by Skinny Puppy or the pakistani album by Taken by Trees
>> (the albums that happen to sit at my desk at the moment) aren't real,
>> and worth bleeding for.
>
> Raw emotion isn't an important component of music.

Ok, back to my original point, then -- people must have different
definitions of music. Or different goals when listening to it.

> In fact, if I want to experience the kind of "raw emotion" that
> would be invoked by listening to Skinny Puppy albums
> all the time, I don't really need music at all. The same
> effect could be accomplished by running arbitrary portions
> of my anatomy through a wood chipper.

I should add to my defense that 1980s Skinny Puppy is not what I
normally listen to. The "raw emotion" from N. Ogre[1] doesn't feel
quite genuine. The collaborations with Edward Ka-Spel eventually
helped them grow up, though.

...

> There are a small handful of rap pieces that I actually like.
>
> Actually, there are really only two genres that I absolutely
> categorically can't stand at all (those two being country and
> polka -- I would rather listen to an amalgam of used car
> dealership commercials and construction-site sound effects
> than country or polka).

I could have said the same thing, but I think that just proves that I
haven't had the opportunity to listen to the right kind of country. I
could probably get into Hank Williams or Emmylou Harris if I wanted.

/Jorgen

[1] Obligatory Nethack reference.

[My Name Is Tzu How Do You Do]

On 25 Feb 2012 21:37:42 GMT, Jorgen Grahn <grahn...@snipabacken.se>
wrote:

>> Raw emotion isn't an important component of music.
>
>Ok, back to my original point, then -- people must have different
>definitions of music. Or different goals when listening to it.

The first time you ever hear your favorite, most touching song when
tripping on LSD, you will understand the powerful impact and direct
target which music has on emotions.

It is in fact, the only thing anyone listens to it for. Even if that
emotion is a mere blank stare, if it was music that got you there, you
are 100% most certainly emotionally tied to it. At the most raw level.

And it didn't take the LSD to see that. The LSD merely made the true
facts of the nature of the role it plays enormously apparent.

Like a magnifying glass. He is flat wrong. It plays a major role.

[derekt75]

On Feb 23, 3:27 pm, Jonadab the Unsightly One

<jonadab.theunsightly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Real music has counterpoint.  Contrario moto.  Vanishingly close to
> 100% of the really good music was written by the middle of the
> eighteenth century

I assume you mean the 19th century?
Beethoven didn't start composing until the end of the 18th century,
and saying his music wasn't good would be like saying stth is a
nethack n00b.

I wonder how bad my characters' magic flute improvisations must be to
put people to sleep faster than Justin Bieber.

Does anyone know what would happen if you zapped a wand of polymorph
at LMFAO "music"?

[Jorgen Grahn]

On Tue, 2012-02-28, derekt75 wrote:
...

> I wonder how bad my characters' magic flute improvisations must be to
> put people to sleep faster than Justin Bieber.

I haven't actually /heard/ Mr Bieber, but "aggravate monster" is
another option ...

/Jorgen

[Jonadab the Unsightly One]

On Feb 27, 7:34 pm, derekt75 <derek.truesd...@anritsu.com> wrote:
> On Feb 23, 3:27 pm, Jonadab the Unsightly One
>
> <jonadab.theunsightly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Real music has counterpoint. Contrario moto. Vanishingly close to
> > 100% of the really good music was written by the middle of the
> > eighteenth century
>
> I assume you mean the 19th century?

No, I mean what I wrote.

> Beethoven didn't start composing until the end of the 18th century,

Beethoven only wrote a handful of pieces, and while his
music is a great deal better than most of the Romantic-
and Classical-era composers (with the possible exception
of Mozart), most of what he wrote is not the same kind of
"really good" as the music of the great Baroque masters.

Okay, so I'm being a bit picky.

> I wonder how bad my characters' magic flute improvisations
> must be to put people to sleep faster than Justin Bieber.

If you want to put people to sleep with music, all you've
gotta do is play anything by Brahms. Oh. My. Word.

> Does anyone know what would happen if you zapped a
> wand of polymorph at LMFAO "music"?

It's impossible to predict in detail what you'll get when
you zap something with a wand of polymorph. You
could end up with something by A. Schoenberg. Then
again, you could get a madrigal that finishes up with a
bit of scat singing at the end (yes, such a thing exists).
It could turn into fractal music, Renaissance polyphony,
death metal, or Christian rap. You just never know.

If you're trying to get music from a particular genre,
you can increase your chances by polypiling several
stacks of junk music at once, but you still may need
to zap a few times, so it's helpful to either be able
to cast polymorph (e.g., if you're a wizard) or be a
post-quest tourist so you can easily recharge the
wand(s) repeatedly.

[Jonadab the Unsightly One]

On Feb 28, 4:09 am, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+n...@snipabacken.se> wrote:

> I haven't actually /heard/ Mr Bieber, but "aggravate monster" is
> another option ...

I've heard the name a few times, but I've never heard
anyone with even a modicum of discernment say
anything remotely positive about his music, so he's
not exactly real high on my must-try wish list. I
suppose it's vaguely possible that his music, should
I ever actually try it, would displace BWV1080 and
become my new favorite, but the odds are remote.

[Toni Keskitalo]

Jorgen Grahn <grahn...@snipabacken.se> writes:
> On Tue, 2012-02-28, derekt75 wrote:
> ...
>> I wonder how bad my characters' magic flute improvisations must be to
>> put people to sleep faster than Justin Bieber.
>
> I haven't actually /heard/ Mr Bieber, but "aggravate monster" is
> another option ...

I would've said "drain life" or "sickness".

Toni