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Patric Mueller

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I have been playing Nethack since the eighties on the Amiga, even
though at first I hardly understood the language. During all that
time, I never ascended. There were pauses of several years, but
eventually I always came back to try again.

So on the 20.Nov, I started as a lawful human Valkyrie with a pet cat
named Kelly, which I almost immediately lost to a dart trap on Dvl 2.
Also on this level I found a stethoscope. In the course of the game
this proved to be extremely useful. It helped me quite often to decide
when to hack and when to run. Without it I don't think that this
ascension would have been possible.

The entrance to the mines was on Dvl 3, but the first Mines level was
not lit, so I first completed Sokoban, where an amulet of reflection
was waiting.

The minetown was of the Grotto town type. The altar was co-aligned and
I got promptly Mjollnir from Tyr. This should be my first and only
useful gift from Him. All others were spellbooks. Being a Valkyrie
they were almost useless to me. Very funny, Tyr.

On Dvl 9 I finally found a bag of holding. At that point I was
constantly at the brink of being burdened.

Level 11 and 12 had two temples, but unfortunately both the priests
were not co-aligned. An unattended altar was on 16. This altar became
my main stash. Then I quickly completed the Quest. Considering that he
is a giant Lord Surtur is quite easy to kill.

The first throne room I encountered was on level 17. Although I came
across several I never got a wish from them.

Ludios was on Dvl 18. Overall, it was no problem, but there was one
critical moment. I wasn't paying attention to my HP as I was fighting
with Croesus. Suddenly I realized that I had just 1 HP left. Croesus
must have been hitting me quite hard. Checking with my stethoscope
Croesus didn't look so good either. One hit later he was killed.

With the money from Ludios I got my naked AC down to 1. Not much later
I lost all the protection because I ate a lieutenant. This was just
the first of many stupid moves, that should prolong this game
considerably.

On Medusa's level the RNG started to have fun with me. A polymorph trap
ripped apart my cloak of protection, my +5 tshirt and my +6 elvish
mithril coat. My next stupid move was to fall through the first trap
door without any means to levitate. The RNG was kind enough to supply
me in the Valley of Dead with a pair of levitation boots. Later I
remembered that I could have invoked the Orb of Fate to level
transport.

I have never before been deeper than the castle, so I was quite
cautious to proceed. Due to my previous accident with a polymorph trap
I only had an AC of -4. I just wanted to take a quick glance around
and then head back up. But a trap door left me 3 levels deep in
Gehennom just under Asmodeus' level. I was so startled to see him,
that I paid him off. 23$ is cheap enough. After getting sucked out by
mind flayers again, I decided to genocide them with a blessed scroll.

After that I went back up and tried to get a decent AC. I had no magic
markers, no wands of polymorph. I was trying for 40000 turns to get a
scroll of enchant armor. I even tried robbing the only general shop
that was in the main branch, without thinking that I'll lose my
protection if I kill a human.

Then I just decided to enter Gehennom and hope to find there some of
the needed scrolls. This plan proved to be successful, after a few
levels in Gehennom I had found some enchant scrolls and a SDSM. I had
an AC of -25, although I still had no cloak of Magic Resistance. But a
ring of searching usually showed me the traps before I went into them.

Jubilex, Baalzebub and Orcus were all whimps. I started to
twoweaponing Demonbane and a silver sabre which were quite effective
against them.

On Dvl 47 my next stupid move was to accidently eat a
chameleon. Wearing a silver dragon scale mail I turned into a dragon,
ripping my new +5 tshirt and my new +4 cloak of magic resistance that
I just had found. I used two wishes from magic lamps to replace them
and shortly after that found the Vibrating Square on 48.

After killing Vlad and the Wizard of Yendor with Orcus' wand of death
I was standing on the Vibrating Square and entered the Sanctum. There
I genocide disenchanters after learning why they're called
disenchanters. Getting the amulet was not a problem, a black dragon
who couldn't aim properly was of great assistance to me.

The way up was eventless, the mysterious force just kicked in four
times.

The planes of earth, wind and air were no problem at all. On water I
was very nervous because I didn't have an oilskin sack. Losing my
already diluted potions of full healing would have been a nightmare.

On the Astral Plane I first head to the left temple. Two hits and
Death is dead. The temple is Odins. On my way back, I do my last
stupid move. I zap Death with a wand of death.

Trying getting to the middle temple, I first outrun Famine. Again the
wrong temple, it's Lokis. On the way to the last altar, I kill Famine
and Pestilence without them even touching me.

Then after all, I stand on the right altar...

You offer the Amulet of Yendor to Tyr...--More--
An invisible choir sings, and you are bathed in radiance...--More--
The voice of Tyr booms out: "Congratulations, mortal!"--More--
"In return for thy service, I grant thee the gift of Immortality!"--More--
You ascend to the status of Demigoddess...--More--

Wittgenstein, lawful female human Valkyrie


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Your inventory
Amulets
J - a blessed amulet of life saving (being worn)
Weapons
n - the blessed rustproof +6 Demonbane (weapon in hand)
O - a blessed +6 silver saber (wielded in other hand) // was +7
Armor
c - a blessed rustproof +4 pair of gauntlets of power (being worn) // was +5
C - a blessed fireproof +5 cloak of magic resistance (being worn)
I - a blessed rustproof +5 helm of telepathy (being worn)
L - a blessed fireproof +5 Hawaiian shirt (being worn)
U - a blessed fireproof +5 pair of speed boots (being worn)
W - a blessed +5 silver dragon scale mail (being worn)
Comestibles
m - a blessed lizard corpse named 1
Spellbooks
h - the blessed Book of the Dead
Potions
o - 7 uncursed diluted potions of full healing
Rings
g - a blessed ring of levitation
T - an uncursed ring of conflict // didn't have much use for it
Y - a blessed ring of free action (on right hand)
Wands
M - a wand of teleportation (0:5)
Tools
a - a blessed +0 unicorn horn
d - a blessed blindfold
k - an uncursed magic whistle
s - a blessed stethoscope // couldn't have ascended without it
u - an uncursed skeleton key
w - a blessed bag of holding
D - an uncursed magic lamp (lit)
K - the blessed Orb of Fate (0:0)
S - the Bell of Opening (0:2)
V - the blessed Candelabrum of Invocation (7 candles, lit)

Contents of the bag of holding:
Amulets:
an uncursed amulet of magical breathing // made me a lot less nervous on plane of water
an uncursed amulet of reflection
an uncursed amulet of ESP
an uncursed amulet of life saving
an uncursed amulet of life saving
an uncursed amulet of life saving
an uncursed amulet of life saving
a cursed cheap plastic imitation of the Amulet of Yendor // only souvenir I got

Comestibles:
5 uncursed food rations
7 uncursed K-rations
2 uncursed cloves of garlic
an uncursed lizard corpse named 3
an uncursed lizard corpse named 2

Scrolls:
a blessed scroll of blank paper
2 uncursed scrolls of blank paper
an uncursed scroll of remove curse
a blessed scroll of teleportation
7 blessed scrolls of enchant armor
a blessed scroll of create monster
an uncursed scroll of create monster
a blessed scroll of earth

Potions:
2 potions of holy water named cola
2 potions of holy water named fanta
2 potions of holy water named sprite
2 uncursed potions of healing
3 uncursed potions of acid
a cursed potion of gain level
a blessed diluted potion of restore ability

Rings:
an uncursed ring of searching
an uncursed ring of polymorph control
an uncursed ring of polymorph control
a cursed ring of polymorph
an uncursed ring of regeneration
an uncursed ring of regeneration
an uncursed ring of warning
an uncursed ring of slow digestion
an uncursed ring of slow digestion
a blessed ring of free action

Wands:
a wand of magic missile (0:4)
a wand of magic missile (0:4)
a wand of teleportation (0:6)
a wand of teleportation (0:6)
a wand of teleportation (0:7)
a wand of digging (0:8)
a wand of digging (0:7)
a blessed wand of digging (0:8)
a blessed wand of digging (0:8)
a wand of polymorph (0:3)
a wand of speed monster (2:11)
a wand of make invisible (0:7)

Tools:
an uncursed sack
a magic marker (1:16)
an uncursed tin opener
a tinning kit (0:44) // never got a chance to use it on Rodney
an uncursed blindfold
a blessed +0 unicorn horn
a blessed +0 unicorn horn
a horn of plenty (0:10)

Gems:
2 uncursed luckstones
// snipped the rest, they appear in scorelist

Contents of the sack:
a wand of teleportation (0:5)

Final attributes
You were the Hand of Elbereth
You were piously aligned
You were fire resistant
You were cold resistant
You were sleep resistant
You were disintegration-resistant
You were shock resistant
You were poison resistant
You were magic-protected
You saw invisible
You were telepathic
You were warned
You were invisible to others
You were stealthy
You aggravated monsters
You were protected
You were very fast
You had reflection
You had free action
Your life would have been saved
You were wielding two weapons at once
You were extremely lucky (13)
You had extra luck
Good luck did not time out for you
You survived

Vanquished creatures:

Baalzebub
Orcus
Juiblex
The Wizard of Yendor (5 times)
Death (twice)
Pestilence
Famine
a high priest (4 created)
2 mastodons (1 created)
Medusa
Croesus
...
3 gray dragons (4 created) // and no GDSM
6 silver dragons (5 created)
14 red dragons (18 created)
4 white dragons (8 created)
2 orange dragons
8 black dragons (12 created)
6 blue dragons (7 created)
5 green dragons (6 created)
4 yellow dragons (6 created)
...
Lord Surtur
...
Vlad the Impaler
...
9 Nazguls // got em all!
...
9 disenchanters (10 created)
28 vampire lords (31 created)
...
52 black puddings (11 created)
46 vampires (48 created)
...
18 air elementals (26 created)
14 fire elementals (30 created)
16 earth elementals (45 created)
11 water elementals (30 created)
...
3 erinyes
...
an electric eel (8 created) [weakest single]
...
119 soldiers (120 created) // Ludios
...
52 cockatrices (60 created)
...
21 chickatrices (24 created)
...
2 white unicorns (9 created) // I didn't do it
13 gray unicorns
7 black unicorns
...
131 killer bees [most whacked] CHECK:better name
...

5028 creatures vanquished.

Genocided species:
hobbits
dwarves
bugbears
dwarf lords
dwarf kings
mind flayers
master mind flayers
liches
demiliches
master liches
arch-liches
rust monsters
disenchanters
13 species genocided.

Voluntary challenges
You genocided 13 types of monsters
You polymorphed 749 items // didn't know the dump patch dumps this
You changed form 3 times // I never wanted to
You used 7 wishes
You did not wish for any artifacts

Your skills at the end
Fighting Skills
bare handed combat [Skilled]
two weapon combat [Basic]
Weapon Skills
dagger [Expert]
long sword [Expert]
hammer [Basic]
spear [Basic]
Spellcasting Skills
(none)

Farvel Wittgenstein the Demigoddess...
You went to your reward with 6632838 points,
The Book of the Dead (worth 10000 zorkmids and 25000 points)
Demonbane (worth 2500 zorkmids and 6250 points)
The Orb of Fate (worth 3500 zorkmids and 8750 points)
The Bell of Opening (worth 5000 zorkmids and 12500 points)
The Candelabrum of Invocation (worth 5000 zorkmids and 12500 points)
15 rubies (worth 52500 zorkmids),
14 amber stones (worth 14000 zorkmids),
13 emeralds (worth 32500 zorkmids),
13 fluorite stones (worth 5200 zorkmids),
11 aquamarine stones (worth 16500 zorkmids),
11 topaz stones (worth 9900 zorkmids),
10 diamonds (worth 40000 zorkmids),
10 amethyst stones (worth 6000 zorkmids),
9 black opals (worth 22500 zorkmids),
5 sapphires (worth 15000 zorkmids),
4 turquoise stones (worth 8000 zorkmids),
4 citrine stones (worth 6000 zorkmids),
4 jasper stones (worth 2000 zorkmids),
4 jade stones (worth 1200 zorkmids),
3 dilithium crystals (worth 13500 zorkmids),
3 jet stones (worth 2550 zorkmids),
2 jacinth stones (worth 6500 zorkmids),
2 chrysoberyl stones (worth 1400 zorkmids),
2 garnet stones (worth 1400 zorkmids),
1 opal (worth 800 zorkmids),
1 obsidian stone (worth 200 zorkmids),
1 agate stone (worth 200 zorkmids),
5 amulets of life saving (worth 750 zorkmids),
1 amulet of ESP (worth 150 zorkmids),
1 amulet of reflection (worth 150 zorkmids),
1 amulet of magical breathing (worth 150 zorkmids),
1 cheap plastic imitation of the Amulet of Yendor (worth 0 zorkmids),
and 2 pieces of gold, after 145289 moves.
Killer: ascended
You were level 16 with a maximum of 356 hit points when you ascended.

Patric Mueller

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Dec 9, 2003, 5:22:06 AM12/9/03
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Vanquished creatures:

Big Al

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Dec 9, 2003, 10:15:32 PM12/9/03
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Patric Mueller wrote:
>
> I have been playing Nethack since the eighties on the Amiga, even
>
> So on the 20.Nov, I started as a lawful human Valkyrie with a pet cat
>
> The minetown was of the Grotto town type. The altar was co-aligned and
> I got promptly Mjollnir from Tyr. This should be my first and only
> useful gift from Him. All others were spellbooks. Being a Valkyrie
> they were almost useless to me. Very funny, Tyr.

You are praying to often, #offer for gifts, #pray for spellbooks and
glows


>
> On Dvl 9 I finally found a bag of holding. At that point I was
> constantly at the brink of being burdened.

Which is worse, burdened or "your knapsack is full" Either way that
first BoH is a great find.


>
> The first throne room I encountered was on level 17. Although I came
> across several I never got a wish from them.
>

Luck equals out I think

> On Dvl 47 my next stupid move was to accidently eat a
> chameleon. Wearing a silver dragon scale mail I turned into a dragon,
> ripping my new +5 tshirt and my new +4 cloak of magic resistance that
> I just had found. I used two wishes from magic lamps to replace them
> and shortly after that found the Vibrating Square on 48.
>

><snip> contents

You were very perpared for the first trip up!!

> Vanquished creatures:
>
> 5028 creatures vanquished.

Big number


All in all, congrats!! and the RNG worked the balance out pretty well

Big Al in Seattle

Patric Mueller

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Dec 10, 2003, 9:57:10 AM12/10/03
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Big Al <alcattle@go_spamtrap.com[Big_Al]> wrote:

> Patric Mueller wrote:
>
> You are praying to often, #offer for gifts, #pray for spellbooks and
> glows

Oh, that was it. I remember having fun with five wands of create
monster next to an altar. Everytime my prayer timeout expired I
prayed instead of offering. I had these two mixed up.

>> On Dvl 9 I finally found a bag of holding. At that point I was
>> constantly at the brink of being burdened.
>
> Which is worse, burdened or "your knapsack is full" Either way that
> first BoH is a great find.

I am very frightened about being burdened. You never know what speedy
monsters lurks around the corner. In the early game without a bag of
holding it is quite inconvenient to go to your stash and rearrange the
inventory. But it is just that, an inconvenience. Being burdened is a
killer.

>><snip> contents
>
> You were very perpared for the first trip up!!

Never having been further than the castle, I wanted to be as sure as
possible to ascend. And I hesitated quite a while before entering
Gehennom. Now I know I could have dumped approx. half of my
inventory and ascended in less turns.

> All in all, congrats!! and the RNG worked the balance out pretty well

Thanks.

Bye
Patric

Doug Freyburger

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Dec 10, 2003, 6:42:52 PM12/10/03
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Patric Mueller wrote:
>
> I have been playing Nethack since the eighties on the Amiga, even
> though at first I hardly understood the language. During all that
> time, I never ascended. There were pauses of several years, but
> eventually I always came back to try again.

Well at least your character brought you the teeshirt. Oops,
tourist shirt, close enough.

> The minetown was of the Grotto town type. The altar was co-aligned and
> I got promptly Mjollnir from Tyr. This should be my first and only
> useful gift from Him. All others were spellbooks. Being a Valkyrie
> they were almost useless to me. Very funny, Tyr.

Big Al covered the prayer vs offering topic from one viewpoint. I
will offer another.

There are indeed advantages to prayer. You can gain intrinsics and
so on. It's just that buy the time you've gotten several spellbooks
in a row you have run most of the possibilities dry. The final
intrinsic is one more point of AC but it becomes less likely once you
start getting a stream of spellbooks. Spellbooks are a non-guaranteed
sign that you've run through the other outcomes of prayer.

So I think you did just fine praying until all you got were spellbooks.

But for a fighter class, the artifacts gifted through offering are more
valuable more of the time. Maybe not true for a priest or wizard but
definitely true of Valkyries.

Still, the chances of getting an artifact weapon drops expontentially
with the number in existance. So at some point even a combat wombat
should switch away from offering for the sake of a possible weapon. I
stop offering or drop off offering once I have close to the top weapon
choices available. Grayswandir and Mjollnir is plenty. If either of
the Brands appears before Gray. And not all of the other ones are
junk.

Eric Wright

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Dec 10, 2003, 10:27:10 PM12/10/03
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dfre...@yahoo.com (Doug Freyburger) wrote in message news:<7960d3ee.03121...@posting.google.com>...

> There are indeed advantages to prayer. You can gain intrinsics and
> so on. It's just that buy the time you've gotten several spellbooks
> in a row you have run most of the possibilities dry. The final
> intrinsic is one more point of AC but it becomes less likely once you
> start getting a stream of spellbooks. Spellbooks are a non-guaranteed
> sign that you've run through the other outcomes of prayer.

This isn't quite correct. You can get unlimited spellbooks and points
of protection (well, after -127, you don't want any more) from
praying. I'm playing an extinctionist now who has received nigh onto
100 spellbooks and has an AC down around -80 or so (meaning at least
50-60 points of divine protection). You will only get stealth, etc.
once, but you never run out of spellbooks/protection gifts.

> Still, the chances of getting an artifact weapon drops expontentially
> with the number in existance. So at some point even a combat wombat
> should switch away from offering for the sake of a possible weapon. I
> stop offering or drop off offering once I have close to the top weapon
> choices available. Grayswandir and Mjollnir is plenty. If either of
> the Brands appears before Gray. And not all of the other ones are
> junk.

Hmmm... of the gifts, the only other I would ever care about are
Stormbringer, which has limited uses in gehennom, and Magicbane
(typically only for wizards, though).

A silver sabre, doing an extra d20 damage to demons, werefoo, vampires
and shades is at least as good as Demonbane, doing double damage only
to demons. Sunsword is nice, more for the light source and blindness
resistance than for double damage against undead.

Dragonbane, Trollsbane, Ogresmasher, Grimtooth, Orcrist, Sting, Vorpal
Blade, Cleaver, Giantslayer, Snickersnee and Werebane are all only
useful as a replacement for a normal version of the same base weapon
(although Werebane is nice if you haven't found another silver sabre).

But hey, those are just my 2 zorkmids...
E

Robert R Schneck

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Dec 11, 2003, 7:47:23 AM12/11/03
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Eric Wright <ewr...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> dfre...@yahoo.com (Doug Freyburger) wrote in message news:<7960d3ee.03121...@posting.google.com>...
>> There are indeed advantages to prayer. You can gain intrinsics and
>> so on. It's just that buy the time you've gotten several spellbooks
>> in a row you have run most of the possibilities dry. The final
>> intrinsic is one more point of AC but it becomes less likely once you
>> start getting a stream of spellbooks. Spellbooks are a non-guaranteed
>> sign that you've run through the other outcomes of prayer.
>
> This isn't quite correct. You can get unlimited spellbooks and points
> of protection (well, after -127, you don't want any more) from
> praying. I'm playing an extinctionist now who has received nigh onto
> 100 spellbooks and has an AC down around -80 or so (meaning at least
> 50-60 points of divine protection). You will only get stealth, etc.
> once, but you never run out of spellbooks/protection gifts.

For an extinctionist, it can pay off to tweak your luck so that you
don't get more spellbooks. I seem to recall that it's best to max your
luck then break two mirrors. More protection and golden glows!

Robert

Doug Freyburger

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Dec 11, 2003, 1:28:31 PM12/11/03
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Eric Wright wrote:
>
> Hmmm... of the gifts, the only other I would ever care about are
> Stormbringer, which has limited uses in gehennom, and Magicbane
> (typically only for wizards, though).

You've been playing chaotic lately and I've been playing lawafull lately.

> A silver sabre, doing an extra d20 damage to demons, werefoo, vampires
> and shades is at least as good as Demonbane, doing double damage only
> to demons. Sunsword is nice, more for the light source and blindness
> resistance than for double damage against undead.
>
> Dragonbane, Trollsbane, Ogresmasher, Grimtooth, Orcrist, Sting, Vorpal
> Blade, Cleaver, Giantslayer, Snickersnee and Werebane are all only
> useful as a replacement for a normal version of the same base weapon
> (although Werebane is nice if you haven't found another silver sabre).

For some character classes, Werebane is good especially if you have
found another silver saber (including killing the watch captain for his
stuff). Silver saber is its own skill (should be with simitar in my
opinion) and classes restricted in silver saber win by getting Werebane
because a gift opens the skill to at least basic. Besides, Werebane is
no worse than a silver saber for everything but twoweapon combat.

Boudewijn Waijers

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Dec 11, 2003, 6:40:06 PM12/11/03
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Patric Mueller, cunningly disguised as bh...@bigfoot.com wrote:

> 9 Nazguls // got em all!

> 3 erinyes

Got those all as well!

Congratulations!

--
Boudewijn Waijers (kroisos at home.nl).

"Perhaps your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others."

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