[Tournament] Clan EIT 2003 Wrapup

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Krog

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Dec 3, 2003, 4:10:34 PM12/3/03
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The world's first and BEST Nethack clan closes the 2003 season in TRIUMPH!

In a score for the record books, eit_brad sits atop the scoreboard as the
smoke clears:

High Score
No Points Name HP [max] Days
1 2222265672 eit_brad-Cav-Hum-Mal-Neu died on the - [389] 9
Astral Plane. Killed by a newt.


eit_cyrus clinched the #1 Wizard score (3rd high score overall), besting
his opponent from rival clan MIT by a factor of ten:

Class: Wizard
No Points Name HP [max] Days
3 127711638 eit_cyrus-Wiz-Elf-Mal-Cha died in the 6 [270] 12
Dungeons of Doom on level 22 [max 25].
Turned into green slime.


Twelve EIT top 500 clansmen:
biomorph, brad, yak, hump, cyrus, durok,
surreal, lifto, cobweb, fatdick, mobius, devron

EIT top 500 total score: 2402711520.

Game count: 34 of 500 (6.8 percent).
Average 70667985 points per game.


Non-EIT top 500 total score: 1337194088
174 non-EIT players.

Clan EIT accounts for 64 percent of the top 500 point total.

EIT : non-EIT :: 1.796831 : 1

If the rest of the 11718 games all had the score of the #500 game,
45090 points, the 34 recorded scores of Clan EIT would still
represent 56 percent of the grand point total.

What else can be concluded? Clan EIT RULEZ!!!!!@!~

See you next year...

http://homepage.mac.com/monstrouspudding/clan_eit/

Bruce

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Dec 3, 2003, 4:27:22 PM12/3/03
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Krog <e1t_...@ftso.org> deserves a cookie for saying:

> What else can be concluded? Clan EIT RULEZ!!!!!@!~

Or: Clan EIT has lots of time on their hands.

--
Bruce Labbate | Bridle all this indiscretion
shiftless layabout | Long enough to edify and
| Permanently fill this hollow.
| - A Perfect Circle

David Corbett

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Dec 3, 2003, 4:35:36 PM12/3/03
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Bruce wrote:

> Krog <e1t_...@ftso.org> deserves a cookie for saying:
>
>>What else can be concluded? Clan EIT RULEZ!!!!!@!~
>
>
> Or: Clan EIT has lots of time on their hands.

Hey, Clan Marvin kicked their asses on the ascension count.

Bruce

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Dec 3, 2003, 4:47:52 PM12/3/03
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David Corbett <dcorb...@yahoo.co.nz> deserves a cookie for saying:

And he did it with every class this year, too. :)

--
Bruce Labbate | Petal by petal the sweeter the deeper
shiftless layabout | For waiting our wild weather exquisite
| And violent could never betray me.
| - Maria McKee

Rast

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Dec 3, 2003, 4:52:43 PM12/3/03
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David Corbett wrote on Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:35:36 +1300 in article
news:<MGszb.18197$VV6.4...@news.xtra.co.nz>:

Well he obviously has a lot of free time too. I'd be interested in knowing
what his ascension % this year was, and how much RL time a typical ascension
takes him, and how many turns in-game.

I hope next year the tournament standings reward something other than having
lots of free time. Every single category except Lowest-Scored Ascension and
Most Ascensions was based on wasting time, and not based on actual skill at
nethack.

--
One day she went out and did not come back. She must have been arrested
in the street at that time. She vanished without a trace and probably
died somewhere, forgotten as a nameless number on a list that afterwards
got mislaid, in one of the innumerable mixed or women's concentration
camps in the north. - Boris Pasternak

eit_cyrus

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Dec 3, 2003, 5:01:18 PM12/3/03
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In article <bqlkfq$pvn$1...@news-int.gatech.edu>, Bruce wrote:
> Krog <e1t_...@ftso.org> deserves a cookie for saying:
>> What else can be concluded? Clan EIT RULEZ!!!!!@!~
>
> Or: Clan EIT has lots of time on their hands.

Those are big words coming from a dude with the following sig:



> Bruce Labbate | Bridle all this indiscretion
> shiftless layabout | Long enough to edify and

^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^


> | Permanently fill this hollow.
> | - A Perfect Circle

Clan EIT has gotz lotza BLOOD on their handz!!!!

eit_cyrus

Bruce

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Dec 3, 2003, 5:28:51 PM12/3/03
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eit_cyrus <monstrou...@mac.com> deserves a cookie for saying:

> In article <bqlkfq$pvn$1...@news-int.gatech.edu>, Bruce wrote:
>> Krog <e1t_...@ftso.org> deserves a cookie for saying:
>>> What else can be concluded? Clan EIT RULEZ!!!!!@!~
>>
>> Or: Clan EIT has lots of time on their hands.

> Those are big words coming from a dude with the following sig:

At this point, the sig is simply ironic.

--
Bruce Labbate | Tiptoe down to the holy places
shiftless layabout | Where you going now
| Don't turn around
| - My Bloody Valentine

steveyo

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Dec 3, 2003, 5:33:49 PM12/3/03
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"Krog" <e1t_...@ftso.org> wrote in message
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> The world's first and BEST Nethack clan closes the 2003 season in TRIUMPH!
> <whole bunch of bragging and score calculations>

Yeah, but do they have lives? How much sex (with other people) did clan EIT
experience during the month? How much time was spent outdoors exersizing?
How many mountains were climbed? How many well-cooked meals (other than
take-out) did they eat? How much time spent with family members? Any of
clan EIT have children?

Those are the stats I'd like to see.

--
Addicted to Nethack, but with a life, too.
Steveyo


Christian Bressler

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Dec 3, 2003, 6:28:20 PM12/3/03
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Rast <ra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: David Corbett wrote on Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:35:36 +1300 in article
: news:<MGszb.18197$VV6.4...@news.xtra.co.nz>:
:> Bruce wrote:
:>
:> > Krog <e1t_...@ftso.org> deserves a cookie for saying:
:> >
:> >>What else can be concluded? Clan EIT RULEZ!!!!!@!~
:> >
:> >
:> > Or: Clan EIT has lots of time on their hands.
:>
:> Hey, Clan Marvin kicked their asses on the ascension count.

: Well he obviously has a lot of free time too. I'd be interested in knowing
: what his ascension % this year was, and how much RL time a typical ascension
: takes him, and how many turns in-game.

Hmm,
a) about 75-80% (87% for the round table)
b) about 5h (tourney) 3h (home)
c) 15k-25k moves

Marvin

Krog

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Dec 3, 2003, 6:52:48 PM12/3/03
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The world's first and BEST Nethack clan closes the 2003 season in TRIUMPH!

In a score for the record books, eit_brad sits atop the scoreboard as the
smoke clears:

EIT : non-EIT :: 1.796831 : 1

What else can be concluded? Clan EIT RULEZ!!!!!@!~

See you next year...

http://homepage.mac.com/monstrouspudding/clan_eit/

fated blue

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Dec 3, 2003, 8:55:12 PM12/3/03
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What was that, Christian Bressler?

out of curiosity, what's the average ascention time across players?
any guesses, studies, etc?

carl ( inf )
--
carl cox
computer science masters student
georgia institute of technology
graduate research assistant
information technology and telecommunications laboratory

David Damerell

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Dec 4, 2003, 8:42:51 AM12/4/03
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fated blue <fa...@cOc.gatech.edu> wrote:
>out of curiosity, what's the average ascention time across players?
>any guesses, studies, etc?

Guess; circa sixteen hours.
--
David Damerell <dame...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> flcl?

Eric Wright

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Dec 4, 2003, 8:50:44 AM12/4/03
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Christian Bressler <gas...@cs.tu-berlin.de> wrote in message news:<bqlrik$f02$1...@mamenchi.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE>...

I've just got to know this: how do you ascend 75%+ of your games?
I've played for 14 years now (since the days of "You arrive in hell
without fire resistance. You burn to a crisp."). I ascend a
character about 1-2 a month, playing a couple hours a night, rarely on
weekends. I've still never ascended C or Ra, and only K in 3.0.j.
Your turn counts are truly impressive, as I'm usually in the mid 30k.
I doubt I've ever ascended in less than 30k turns. I've been on rgrn
off and on for 8 years, and source dive all the time. I never wish
for artifacts, rarely do anything useful in a polymorphed state, and
rarely turn down a genocide or wish when they arise.

Which demons/devils did you make your pact with? :)

E

senon

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Dec 4, 2003, 9:20:00 AM12/4/03
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e1t_...@ftso.org (Krog) wrote...

> 1 2222265672 eit_brad-Cav-Hum-Mal-Neu died on the - [389] 9
> Astral Plane. Killed by a newt.
...

> EIT top 500 total score: 2402711520.

Correct me if i'm mistaken, but:
2402711520
- 2222265672
= 180445848

and that's leaving the rest of brad's score intact. Looks like
someone's *carrying* the clan here. ;-) Next year you might get more
respect if you don't base most of your claims as a clan on one game by
one member of your team.

Cheers,

Senon, clanless

senon

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Dec 4, 2003, 9:28:59 AM12/4/03
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Rast <ra...@hotmail.com> wrote...

> I hope next year the tournament standings reward something other than having
> lots of free time. Every single category except Lowest-Scored Ascension and
> Most Ascensions was based on wasting time, and not based on actual skill at
> nethack.

First off, i did have too much time on my hands, personally.

That said, there is skill involved in both being comfortable enough
near the endgame to start focussing solely on amassing points, and
also in figuring out an efficient way of doing so. Scores have
increased over the past three years as people have honed and, pretty
much perfected these skills.

Not that I'm going to claim that ludicrous point-mongering involves
nearly as much skill as was shown by marvin, bourland, patita, or miso
(yeah, i saw that duel there near the end ;-}) Frankly, the concept of
pacifism or most of the 'hard' conducts scare the heck out of me. ;-)
But it's not like it's trivial, either.

Congratulations to everyone, in any event.

-Senon, lifeless

Bruce

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Dec 4, 2003, 10:05:11 AM12/4/03
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senon <tris...@innocent.com> deserves a cookie for saying:

> First off, i did have too much time on my hands, personally.

I envy you. :)

> That said, there is skill involved in both being comfortable enough
> near the endgame to start focussing solely on amassing points, and
> also in figuring out an efficient way of doing so.

See, I have to disagree with this. The skill involved is trivially
greater than that required to ascend a few times. This is why a
person's second or third ascension can be an extinctionist.

--
Bruce Labbate | Blush and knock your knees
shiftless layabout | That's your girl breathing
| I laugh 'til my heart stops.
| - Kristin Hersh

Robert R Schneck

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Dec 4, 2003, 11:44:55 AM12/4/03
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Bruce <sol...@gehennom.net> wrote:
> senon <tris...@innocent.com> deserves a cookie for saying:
>> That said, there is skill involved in both being comfortable enough
>> near the endgame to start focussing solely on amassing points, and
>> also in figuring out an efficient way of doing so.
>
> See, I have to disagree with this. The skill involved is trivially
> greater than that required to ascend a few times. This is why a
> person's second or third ascension can be an extinctionist.

Indeed, IIRC the original extincionist, Matthew Bourland, was motivated
by making the game easier. "The endgame looks hard; better make sure
everyone is dead first!"

Robert

Yeti Pino

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Dec 4, 2003, 1:02:35 PM12/4/03
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"Krog" <e1t_...@ftso.org> schreef in bericht
news:128dfc4b.03120...@posting.google.com...

> The world's first and BEST Nethack clan closes the 2003 season in TRIUMPH!
>
> In a score for the record books, eit_brad sits atop the scoreboard as the
> smoke clears:

> EIT top 500 total score: 2402711520.

IIRC eit_brad had a negative score. Please take that into account
when continuing with your calculations from here. You might get
a different result.

yeti


james

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Dec 4, 2003, 2:16:43 PM12/4/03
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In article <e5b0fecb.03120...@posting.google.com>,

senon <tris...@innocent.com> wrote:
>e1t_...@ftso.org (Krog) wrote...
>> 1 2222265672 eit_brad-Cav-Hum-Mal-Neu died on the - [389] 9
>> Astral Plane. Killed by a newt.

There was a significant amount of controversy surrounding that score.
I lost a very good game in the same "server failure". It pretty much
put a damper on the whole tournament for me. It didn't help to discover
the reason for the crash, and it didn't impress me that the score file
was rigged for eid_brad's benefit.

eit_cyrus

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Dec 4, 2003, 2:40:56 PM12/4/03
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In article <hxtzb.163762$ji3....@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, steveyo wrote:
> Yeah, but do they have lives? How much sex (with other people) did clan EIT
> experience during the month? How much time was spent outdoors exersizing?
> How many mountains were climbed? How many well-cooked meals (other than
> take-out) did they eat? How much time spent with family members? Any of
> clan EIT have children?

Let there be no mistake: Clan EIT not only rewLz the dungoen, we are
also INTERNATIONAL PLAYBOYZ AND PLAYGRRLZ in real life!!! I can't
reveal the details of our sekrit initiation ceremony, but I can assure
yuo it involvez plenty of the CRAZY SEXXX on top of beautiful mountain
ranges!!!@# And our clan eats delicious meals everyday, and not just
TRIPE RATIONZ and SLIME MOLDZZZ!!!11 We are famous for our STRONG
FAMILIY TIEZ and we have MANY CHILDREN (Who's yo' Daddy??! Clan EIT!!!!)

> Those are the stats I'd like to see.

Hwo about these statzzz:::

Clan EIT: FOR-EVAR!!
Steveyo: grid bug

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!!

eit_cyrus

Robert R Schneck

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Dec 4, 2003, 3:52:50 PM12/4/03
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Actually, the "killed by a newt" eit_brad game was not the one which was
lost to server failure. That one scored significantly less.

Robert

james

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Dec 4, 2003, 4:22:02 PM12/4/03
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In article <3fcf9ea2$1...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>,

Robert R Schneck <sch...@math.berkeley.edu> wrote:

>Actually, the "killed by a newt" eit_brad game was not the one which was
>lost to server failure. That one scored significantly less.

My misunderstanding then. Apologies!


eit_yak

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Dec 4, 2003, 4:52:34 PM12/4/03
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"steveyo" <ste...@cannedmeat.nycap.rr.com> wrote in message news:<hxtzb.163762$ji3....@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...

> Yeah, but do they have lives? How much sex (with other people) did clan EIT
> experience during the month? How much time was spent outdoors exersizing?
> How many mountains were climbed? How many well-cooked meals (other than
> take-out) did they eat? How much time spent with family members? Any of
> clan EIT have children?
>
> Those are the stats I'd like to see.

i'll show you mine if you show me yours.

never before have i had both my sex life and the quality of my cooking
brought into question by the same bitter paragraph. well done!

but seriously, this is a NETHACK TOURNAMENT. not a sex tournament, or
an "exersizing" tournament, or a mountain climbing tournament, or
anything of the sort. if we skipped out on any of those things (and
mind you i'm not saying that we did), it's because we are THAT
DEDICATED to the cause of KICKING YOUR BUTT.

and when i say "we," yes of course i mean "brad." and maybe cyrus.

i'm just in it for the LIFESTYLE.

-- eit_yak

eit_yak

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Dec 4, 2003, 4:57:52 PM12/4/03
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Rast <ra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1a382534b...@216.168.3.44>...

> I hope next year the tournament standings reward something other than having
> lots of free time. Every single category except Lowest-Scored Ascension and
> Most Ascensions was based on wasting time, and not based on actual skill at
> nethack.

for all you eit-bashers out there: i think this was more or less the
point brad was trying to make. we may talk a lot of shit, but we've
got out hearts in the right places.

also: our hearts are made of gold.

CLAN EIT 4EVA!!!

-- eit_yak

slMagnvox

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Dec 4, 2003, 5:32:20 PM12/4/03
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yah...@sub-zero.mit.edu (eit_yak) wrote in
news:2d29e308.03120...@posting.google.com:

and

eit_cyrus <monstrou...@mac.com> wrote in
news:slrnbsv3fj.a0c....@speed-racer.local:

i'm kinda indifferent about the tournament results, but these two
posts made it all worthwhile. real funny, well done EIT.

and steveyo, how dare you resort to some kinda "nerd-bashing" flame
about somebody not havin a life or something.... save that kinda
shit for when you lose a game of Quake or something man. This is
the Nethack newsgroup after all, we oughta have all grown outta
that kinda shit... I'm come on, we're all here cause we love to
play this game, and not just any game, its nethack for god's sake!
there aren't even any graphics!

eit_cyrus

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Dec 4, 2003, 5:32:04 PM12/4/03
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In article <bqnss2$j5j$1...@news.surfnet.nl>, Yeti Pino wrote:
>
> IIRC eit_brad had a negative score. Please take that into account
> when continuing with your calculations from here. You might get
> a different result.

Looks like you've got a negative attitude. As the new 0WNZERS OF THE
DUNGOEN, we'll take that into account when assigning you to your new post as
eit_quincy's personal armor polisher! Or maybe level 3 lichen farmer.

eit_cyrus
--
Clan EIT. The New Dungeon Order.

steveyo

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Dec 4, 2003, 7:35:15 PM12/4/03
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"eit_cyrus" <monstrou...@mac.com> wrote in message
news:slrnbsv3fj.a0c....@speed-racer.local...

> In article <hxtzb.163762$ji3....@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, steveyo wrote:
> > <"nerd-bashing">
> <Steveyo bashing>

> Clan EIT: FOR-EVAR!!
> Steveyo: grid bug

I deserved that.

>
> Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!!

I'd like to - it's been scrape, scrape, scrape for days now.

--
Steveyo
aka: grid bug


steveyo

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Dec 4, 2003, 7:42:22 PM12/4/03
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"eit_yak" wrote:
> "steveyo" wrote:
> > <EIT bashing>

> > Those are the stats I'd like to see.
>
> i'll show you mine if you show me yours.
>
> never before have i had both my sex life and the quality of my cooking
> brought into question by the same bitter paragraph. well done!

Thanks. I got a good, if delayed, rise from two of you, at least. I'm glad
I used the steel leaders and barbed hooks. I was just writing in response
to the rabid "EIT RULZ" boast-fest of the OP.

> ...we are THAT


> DEDICATED to the cause of KICKING YOUR BUTT.

As far as the tourney went, my butt wasn't in the same universe to be
kicked. (I posted a rogue w/80,000 points as my top entry.)

> i'm just in it for the LIFESTYLE.

Who can blame you - it sounds wild!


steveyo

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Dec 4, 2003, 7:44:55 PM12/4/03
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"slMagnvox" wrote

> i'm kinda indifferent about the tournament results, but these two
> posts made it all worthwhile. real funny, well done EIT.
>
> and steveyo, how dare you resort to some kinda "nerd-bashing" flame
> about somebody not havin a life or something.... save that kinda
> shit for when you lose a game of Quake or something man.

1. I don't play no Quake.
B. My troll was in response to the "slightly" boastful OP. I _had_ to
respond.
III. Lighten up Francis.


eit_cyrus

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Dec 4, 2003, 9:15:52 PM12/4/03
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In article <OvQzb.186590$ZC4.1...@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, steveyo wrote:
>
> Thanks. I got a good, if delayed, rise from two of you, at least. I'm glad
> I used the steel leaders and barbed hooks. I was just writing in response
> to the rabid "EIT RULZ" boast-fest of the OP.

Clan EIT regrets our responses were delayed, as we were too occupied with
our 24-7 BUZY IMPROTANT SOCIAL LIVES to bother with yuur libelous blather.

> As far as the tourney went, my butt wasn't in the same universe to be
> kicked. (I posted a rogue w/80,000 points as my top entry.)

Cheer up - perhapps if you keep practicing, one day you will muster the
l33t SkillZZZ it takes 2 tangel with teh likes of Clan EIT.

Goodbye steveyo the Troll...

----------
/ \
/ REST \
/ IN \
/ PIECES \
/ \
| steveyo |
| 0 Au |
| owned by |
| Clan EIT |
| |
| |
| 2003 |
*| * * * | *
_________)/\\_//(\/(/\)/\//\/|_)_______

eit_cyrus

steveyo

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Dec 4, 2003, 9:26:04 PM12/4/03
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"eit_cyrus" wrote:
> steveyo wrote:
> >
> > I'm glad ...I used the steel leaders and barbed hooks.

>
> Clan EIT regrets our responses were delayed

No worries.

> as we were too occupied with
> our 24-7 BUZY IMPROTANT SOCIAL LIVES

I'm sure.

> to bother with yuur libelous blather.

Ouch. Dude - libelous? C'mon did I touch a nerve?

> Cheer up - perhapps if you keep practicing, one day you will muster the
> l33t SkillZZZ it takes 2 tangel with teh likes of Clan EIT.

I doubt it.

Christian Bressler

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Dec 5, 2003, 12:26:31 PM12/5/03
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Eric Wright <ewr...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
: Christian Bressler <gas...@cs.tu-berlin.de> wrote in message news:<bqlrik$f02$1...@mamenchi.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE>...

:> Rast <ra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
:> : David Corbett wrote on Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:35:36 +1300 in article
:> : news:<MGszb.18197$VV6.4...@news.xtra.co.nz>:
:> :> Bruce wrote:
:> :> > Krog <e1t_...@ftso.org> deserves a cookie for saying:
:> :> >>What else can be concluded? Clan EIT RULEZ!!!!!@!~
:> :> > Or: Clan EIT has lots of time on their hands.
:> :> Hey, Clan Marvin kicked their asses on the ascension count.
:> : Well he obviously has a lot of free time too. I'd be interested in knowing
:> : what his ascension % this year was, and how much RL time a typical ascension
:> : takes him, and how many turns in-game.
:> Hmm,
:> a) about 75-80% (87% for the round table)
:> b) about 5h (tourney) 3h (home)
:> c) 15k-25k moves
: I've just got to know this: how do you ascend 75%+ of your games?

Well the easiest answer, avoid to die, or more popular:
"The trick is to keep breathing."

I do nothing special, just that what is advised in rgrn every
now and then.
Watch your HP, maintain an escape route, get intrinsics, don't take
on situations which are to difficult, for your character.
(Greetings from Demogorgon, YASD.)
Improve your character, ...
Retreat and heal early.

I've no preference in mines first or sokoban first, but I visited
the top-level of sokoban and at least mine town with all characters.

Usually I visit the castle and explore gehennom before the quest.

If there is light+jumping or levitation or a musical instrument
and the character seems tough enough, the castle is entered.

An avarage conducts listing is:
You genocided L
You used 5 wishes (mostly [BoS, [gdsm, (BoH, (MM, =oL, =oTC, ?Ch, ?geno)
You didn't wish for artifacts
You never changed form
You didn't polymorphed an object
You survived

: I've played for 14 years now (since the days of "You arrive in hell


: without fire resistance. You burn to a crisp.").

Same here.

: Your turn counts are truly impressive, as I'm usually in the mid 30k.

Hmm 30k is a good/fast ascension, compared to what you read in rgrn.

: I doubt I've ever ascended in less than 30k turns.

Try to.
A lesson I learned much from was pacifists. Try to survive a Lvl1
Healer with 20HP and -10AC without pet for 10k moves.
(Trust me, it's fun and it's possible, even for 30k moves).

: I've been on rgrn


: off and on for 8 years, and source dive all the time. I never wish
: for artifacts, rarely do anything useful in a polymorphed state, and
: rarely turn down a genocide or wish when they arise.

Sounds like me ;-)

: Which demons/devils did you make your pact with? :)

No pact, I have some as pet at times.
And I've bribed some ;-)

: E
Marvin

Lunes

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Dec 5, 2003, 10:06:42 PM12/5/03
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eit_cyrus <monstrou...@mac.com> engraved with an athame upon the
ground on Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:32:04 GMT:

<snip results of an overinflated ego>

Is it just me, or is EIT's victory overinflating their egos?

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Big Al

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Dec 5, 2003, 11:02:06 PM12/5/03
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Lunes wrote:
>
> eit_cyrus <monstrou...@mac.com> engraved with an athame upon the
> ground on Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:32:04 GMT:
>
> <snip results of an overinflated ego>
>
> Is it just me, or is EIT's victory overinflating their egos?
>

Must be you, as I did not see a victory. One of their members got high
score and a very late added "clans" were claimed by them without much
challenge. I feel Marvin is the winner if there was one as ascending is
the the most important things. If they wish to maintain the voice, I am
sure we could match them with a clan from r.g.r.n

Big Al in Seattle

E

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Dec 6, 2003, 9:32:02 AM12/6/03
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In article <bqqf47$g76$1...@mamenchi.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE>, Christian Bressler
<gas...@cs.tu-berlin.de> wrote:

> Eric Wright <ewr...@nc.rr.com> wrote:

> : I've just got to know this: how do you ascend 75%+ of your games?
>
> Well the easiest answer, avoid to die, or more popular:
> "The trick is to keep breathing."

Not necessary with the right amulet. I just seem to have most of my
characters drop to 0 HP. That seems to end their adventures pretty
quickly ;)

> I've no preference in mines first or sokoban first, but I visited
> the top-level of sokoban and at least mine town with all characters.

I typically check the top level of the mines, explore if it is light.
Else, hit Sokoban. I lose too many non-combat-wombats in the treasure
zoo at the top of sokoban.

> Usually I visit the castle and explore gehennom before the quest.

Hmm... I typically don't visit the castle, and never the VotD
pre-quest. I've only lost 1 character on the quest in recent times...
a knight who forgot that Ixoth could cast magic spells. Touch of death
got me.

> If there is light+jumping or levitation or a musical instrument
> and the character seems tough enough, the castle is entered.

I almost always find a soldier with a bugle by then.

> An avarage conducts listing is:
> You genocided L
> You used 5 wishes (mostly [BoS, [gdsm, (BoH, (MM, =oL, =oTC, ?Ch, ?geno)
> You didn't wish for artifacts
> You never changed form
> You didn't polymorphed an object
> You survived

Ditto, except I don't make genociding L a top priority, and typically
have more wishes (7-8). Oh, and I get that last one far fewer times
than you...

> : I've played for 14 years now (since the days of "You arrive in hell
> : without fire resistance. You burn to a crisp.").
>
> Same here.

Sadly, I never got any farther in that version...

> : I doubt I've ever ascended in less than 30k turns.
>
> Try to.
> A lesson I learned much from was pacifists. Try to survive a Lvl1
> Healer with 20HP and -10AC without pet for 10k moves.
> (Trust me, it's fun and it's possible, even for 30k moves).

I try to, but I usually spend 15-20k turns going through Gehennom.
Unless I have a spell caster with magic mapping, I typically have to do
it the hard way (which is slightly easier with a magic lamp, but a pain
nonetheless).

Any tips for making this part of the game easier? I typically stay
away from tengu corpses and the chance for intrinsic TC, since
uncontrolled teleportitis is such a PAIN, and I usually don't have room
for a =oTC. I know TC would make Gehennom faster, but it's just not
something I get all that often.

The one plus for me is that I haven't lost a character with the Amulet
in quite some time (although my recent first monk ascension came
close). All in all, I consider it a successful month if I ascend once
(or have an extinctionist live through a month).

Thanks for your response!
Happy hacking
E

Bruce

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Dec 6, 2003, 1:52:22 PM12/6/03
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Big Al <alcattle@go_spamtrap.com[big_al]> deserves a cookie for saying:

> Must be you, as I did not see a victory. One of their members got high
> score and a very late added "clans" were claimed by them without much
> challenge.

But they certainly did gain some sort of victory by showing how very
flawed the nethack score system is, at least with respect to ascension.
For that, even if nothing else, I appreciate them.

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Bruce Labbate | It was true love,
shiftless layabout | With a common cause, and besides that
| He was a Sagittarius.
| - Dar Williams

Christian Bressler

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Dec 6, 2003, 3:15:44 PM12/6/03
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E <us...@host.com> wrote:
: In article <bqqf47$g76$1...@mamenchi.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE>, Christian Bressler
: <gas...@cs.tu-berlin.de> wrote:

:> Eric Wright <ewr...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
:> : I've just got to know this: how do you ascend 75%+ of your games?
:>
:> Well the easiest answer, avoid to die, or more popular:
:> "The trick is to keep breathing."
: Not necessary with the right amulet.

Hmm, it's called magical _breathing_, after all.

:> I've no preference in mines first or sokoban first, but I visited


:> the top-level of sokoban and at least mine town with all characters.
: I typically check the top level of the mines, explore if it is light.
: Else, hit Sokoban. I lose too many non-combat-wombats in the treasure
: zoo at the top of sokoban.

If you stay in the corridor you can take them one by one.
But stealth is more effective.

:> Usually I visit the castle and explore gehennom before the quest.


: Hmm... I typically don't visit the castle, and never the VotD
: pre-quest. I've only lost 1 character on the quest in recent times...
: a knight who forgot that Ixoth could cast magic spells. Touch of death
: got me.

Well, a pre XP14 character can explore hell, so why generate a harder dungeon
than neccessary?

:> If there is light+jumping or levitation or a musical instrument


:> and the character seems tough enough, the castle is entered.
: I almost always find a soldier with a bugle by then.

Soldiers with bugles tend to wake up other soldiers, so I just leave barraks
alone, unless in dire need of a musical instrument.

:> [conducts]
: Ditto, except I don't make genociding L a top priority, and typically


: have more wishes (7-8). Oh, and I get that last one far fewer times
: than you...

Hmm, I call the "monsters are aware your presense" spell a major threat.
And L's are the No1 source ...

:> : I doubt I've ever ascended in less than 30k turns.

:> Try to.
:> A lesson I learned much from was pacifists. Try to survive a Lvl1
:> Healer with 20HP and -10AC without pet for 10k moves.
:> (Trust me, it's fun and it's possible, even for 30k moves).
: I try to, but I usually spend 15-20k turns going through Gehennom.

: ...
: Any tips for making this part of the game easier?
: ...

Hmm, with 6-8 ?oMM and a pickaxe or two /oDig you explore hell fast.
If you know the upstairs, dig down, if not read ?oMM.
Walk the wiz-tower or level-tele if you can.
Another but risky approach is, hunt a demon or lich from the deepest level up.

: Thanks for your response!
: Happy hacking
: E
You're welcome
Marvin

Rast

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Dec 6, 2003, 7:14:33 PM12/6/03
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Bruce wrote on Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:52:22 +0000 (UTC) in article
news:<bqt8h6$h12$2...@news-int.gatech.edu>:

> Big Al <alcattle@go_spamtrap.com[big_al]> deserves a cookie for saying:
> > Must be you, as I did not see a victory. One of their members got high
> > score and a very late added "clans" were claimed by them without much
> > challenge.
>
> But they certainly did gain some sort of victory by showing how very
> flawed the nethack score system is, at least with respect to ascension.

It baffles me when people say this. The winning score last year was 450
million, which isn't that much less than this year's score of 2000 million,
except that the latter happens to be enough to overflow the (somewhat
arbitrary) maximum of the score variable. If that is what it takes to make
someone realize the score system is worthless, then probably he should
recompile with a bigger score variable and forget about the rest.

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Shannon

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Dec 6, 2003, 8:25:16 PM12/6/03
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Bruce <sol...@gehennom.net> wrote in message news:<bqllm8$qgb$1...@news-int.gatech.edu>...
> David Corbett <dcorb...@yahoo.co.nz> deserves a cookie for saying:
> > Bruce wrote:
> >> Krog <e1t_...@ftso.org> deserves a cookie for saying:

> >>
> >>>What else can be concluded? Clan EIT RULEZ!!!!!@!~
> >>
> >>
> >> Or: Clan EIT has lots of time on their hands.
>
> > Hey, Clan Marvin kicked their asses on the ascension count.
>
> And he did it with every class this year, too. :)

Marvin rocks. But I have to add my own little story:

Most people who have seen me bowl are astonished at the fact that I
have a bowling trophy. It's for Highest Handicapped Game (female).
During that league season I carried an average of about 108 and on one
magical night I bowled a game of 160. With my handicap added in, that
was a REALLY SWEET score and earned me a trophy. With that story in
mind, I would like to say:

Marvin may have the equivalent of a big tall trophy for highest
average, but....

Neener neener neener...
I ascended a Tourist...
In the tournament...
Got 3rd place for all Tourists...
In the tournament...
Neener neener neener...

<very big grin>

--Shannon

Krog

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Dec 6, 2003, 8:38:55 PM12/6/03
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Bound and gagged on the warehouse floor, fiero...@37465-nulani.net
(Lunes) beat his head against the hydraulic press to spell the
following in Morse code...

> Is it just me, or is EIT's victory overinflating their egos?

If you ask me, it hasn't inflated our egos enough! By my calculations
we have over TWO BILLION TWO HUNDRED TWENTY-TWO MILLION points of
bragging left to complete -- but that's ok, we've got eleven months
before we can let our scores do the talking for us again!

Better start collecting luckstones, suckaz! Have fun cleaning out
warg stables for the next year!~

-eit_krog

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