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Richard E. Hawkins

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Mar 30, 2002, 10:04:16 AM3/30/02
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D'oh . .

I drew a lucky dungeon . . .dwarvish Valkyrie (so lawful???) found a
useless altar on the second floor (no monsters would come close enough).
But on the same floor the kitten brought a wand which I successfully
identified as a wand of wishing out of the store.

So I picked up the +2 blessed gray dragon scale male and blessed +2
gauntlets of power, saving a wish for dire need.

I found *another* coaligned alter later. Anyway, at this point I've
been given Mjollnir (how *do* you pronounce that, anyway?) and Sunblade.

Soldiers attacked at the Oracle (for breaking the statues?), I didn't
notice I was blind, and even if I had, it hadn't occurred to me that
this would leave me unable to catch the hammer . . .

Being hit is annoying, but it broke my wand of wishing, upon which I was
counting for the other 5 wishes !

I also seem to have failed to catch it two or three times more, but I
don't seem to be fumbling. Is this just something that happens with
small chance, or have I done something wrong?

And since I'm lawful, should I be #dip'ping the silver saber I've found
in fountains until it turns into excalibur?

hawk

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Meagen AKA SailorM

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Mar 30, 2002, 11:19:28 AM3/30/02
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Użytkownik "Richard E. Hawkins" <ha...@fac13.ds.psu.edu> napisał w wiadomości
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> I found *another* coaligned alter later. Anyway, at this point I've
> been given Mjollnir (how *do* you pronounce that, anyway?)

I don't. I just say "Mojo".

> Soldiers attacked at the Oracle (for breaking the statues?)

No. For tresspassing on the Wizard of Yendor's territory.
(aka entering the dungeon)

> And since I'm lawful, should I be #dip'ping the silver saber I've found
> in fountains until it turns into excalibur?
>

Not gonna happen. Try a long sword.

Meagen


Cyde Weys

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Mar 30, 2002, 12:07:45 PM3/30/02
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"Richard E. Hawkins" <ha...@fac13.ds.psu.edu> wrote in message
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> D'oh . .
>

> I found *another* coaligned alter later. Anyway, at this point I've


> been given Mjollnir (how *do* you pronounce that, anyway?) and Sunblade.

It's a silent j. Sort of pronounced MEE-ole-NER, with about a half syllable
distinction between the first and second phonemes ...


Richard E. Hawkins

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Mar 30, 2002, 12:22:02 PM3/30/02
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In article <a84od2$q3e$1...@news.tpi.pl>,

Meagen AKA SailorM <meagen_stuff@ITS_BRAIN.yahoo.com> wrote:

>Użytkownik "Richard E. Hawkins" <ha...@fac13.ds.psu.edu> napisał w wiadomości
>news:a84k5g$l...@r02n01.cac.psu.edu...
>> I found *another* coaligned alter later. Anyway, at this point I've
>> been given Mjollnir (how *do* you pronounce that, anyway?)

> I don't. I just say "Mojo".

ahh, that does it :)

>> Soldiers attacked at the Oracle (for breaking the statues?)

> No. For tresspassing on the Wizard of Yendor's territory.
> (aka entering the dungeon)

ok. I used to see them in there often enough that I assumed they were
related somehow.

>> And since I'm lawful, should I be #dip'ping the silver saber I've found
>> in fountains until it turns into excalibur?

> Not gonna happen. Try a long sword.

ahh, thanks. Somewhere along the line I got the notion that a saber
*was* a long sword . . .

while I'm at it, should lawful characters bother blessing swords before
dipping?

Kassandra Velez

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Mar 30, 2002, 1:22:46 PM3/30/02
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Cyde Weys said into the tin can on that end of the string:

I don't know of any language using the Roman alphabet where 'j' is a full
vowel ccapable of taking stress. Being American myself, I'd be inclined
to say it 'MYOLL-near', where the first syllable rhymes with 'troll'.
(Not the most accurate pronunciation in the world, but I think I'm pretty
safe in the number of syllables.)

"I love the smell of linguistics in the morning."
--Alexander Deubelbeiss on rec.games.roguelike.adom

Frank Reese

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Mar 30, 2002, 1:45:43 PM3/30/02
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kve...@iris.nyit.edu (Kassandra Velez) wrote in
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> I don't know of any language using the Roman alphabet where 'j' is a
> full vowel ccapable of taking stress. Being American myself, I'd be
> inclined to say it 'MYOLL-near', where the first syllable rhymes with
> 'troll'. (Not the most accurate pronunciation in the world, but I
> think I'm pretty safe in the number of syllables.)
>
> "I love the smell of linguistics in the morning."
> --Alexander Deubelbeiss on rec.games.roguelike.adom
>

I pronounce it BIG HAMMER THING

it really does matter too much how you say it unless you will be discussing
it with a die hard fan... and those people are just too weird as it is.

Pooya Woodcock

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Mar 30, 2002, 1:52:46 PM3/30/02
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> I pronounce it [Mjollnir] BIG HAMMER THING

word.

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go terps!

Douglas Berry

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On 30 Mar 2002 15:04:16 GMT, a wanderer, known to us only as
ha...@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Richard E. Hawkins) warmed at our fire and
told this tale:

>I found *another* coaligned alter later. Anyway, at this point I've
>been given Mjollnir (how *do* you pronounce that, anyway?)

MEE - yoll - nur.

yoll is like "roll", the first two syllables should really be
pronounced as one. "M'yoll-ner."

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Douglas Berry

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On 30 Mar 2002 11:45:43 -0700, a wanderer, known to us only as Frank
Reese <ree...@student.wit.edu> warmed at our fire and told this tale:

>it really does matter too much how you say it unless you will be discussing
>it with a die hard fan... and those people are just too weird as it is.

Or people into Norse mythology.. Hel, we can pronounce Yggdrasil
correctly!

Samuli Kangaslampi

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Mar 30, 2002, 4:20:45 PM3/30/02
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On 30 Mar 2002 15:04:16 GMT, ha...@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Richard E.
Hawkins) wrote:

>Anyway, at this point I've
>been given Mjollnir (how *do* you pronounce that, anyway?)

However you like really, because it's not English originally.

Now, if you'd want to follow the original pronunciation, the word in
Old Norse (whence it originates) is Mjöllnir (that's oe or o with two
dots for those of you who can't see that) and it is more or less
agreed that it was pronounced somewhat like it would be if the word
was Swedish:
"MYÖLL-nir.", the i being like that in 'bit' (although maybe longer)
and ö like the article in 'a car'.

Since the spelling used in Nethack is the more common Mjollnir, you
might want to replace the ö with just an o like the one in 'hot'.


Cyde Weys

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Mar 30, 2002, 4:23:18 PM3/30/02
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"Douglas Berry" <grid...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> On 30 Mar 2002 11:45:43 -0700, a wanderer, known to us only as Frank
> Reese <ree...@student.wit.edu> warmed at our fire and told this tale:
>
> >it really does matter too much how you say it unless you will be
discussing
> >it with a die hard fan... and those people are just too weird as it is.
>
> Or people into Norse mythology.. Hel, we can pronounce Yggdrasil
> correctly!

That's the name of the hero overlord in SC ... and I have NO FREAKING CLUE
how to pronounce it. How do you pronounce it anyway?


Richard E. Hawkins

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Mar 30, 2002, 6:41:03 PM3/30/02
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Steam is currently comeing from my ears . . .

Where did my game go? It was running on a console (FreeBSD) when I had
to power off the system because vmware took over the console and
(apparently) thrashed the vm system.

What happened to the auto-rescue that gets saved when changing dungeon
levels?

fac13ttyp1:hawk>ls /usr/local/share/nethack/save
1001manda.gz

i.e., only my daughter's game is there! it used to have mine!

hawk, seriously perturbed!

Frank Reese

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Mar 30, 2002, 6:52:15 PM3/30/02
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Douglas Berry <grid...@mindspring.com> wrote in
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> Or people into Norse mythology.. Hel, we can pronounce Yggdrasil
> correctly!
>
> --

Wasn't that the ship in Xenogears... (dodges flames)

Is it phonetically YAG DRA SEAL? or close to that?

Kassandra Velez

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Mar 30, 2002, 7:14:28 PM3/30/02
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Frank Reese said into the tin can on that end of the string:

>Is it phonetically YAG DRA SEAL? or close to that?

Not to my knowledge. 'y' is a vowel, you know. Generally explained away
as rounded 'i' (rounded 'ee' in Englishoid spelling) or fronted 'u'
(fronted 'oo'). I *think* you've got the rest right.

Cyde Weys

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Mar 30, 2002, 11:08:23 PM3/30/02
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"Kassandra Velez" <kve...@iris.nyit.edu> wrote in message
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So what's the complete and final pronunciation then?


Cyde Weys

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Mar 30, 2002, 11:10:08 PM3/30/02
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"Richard E. Hawkins" <ha...@fac13.ds.psu.edu> wrote in message
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> Steam is currently comeing from my ears . . .
>
> Where did my game go? It was running on a console (FreeBSD) when I had
> to power off the system because vmware took over the console and
> (apparently) thrashed the vm system.
>
> What happened to the auto-rescue that gets saved when changing dungeon
> levels?
>
> fac13ttyp1:hawk>ls /usr/local/share/nethack/save
> 1001manda.gz
>
> i.e., only my daughter's game is there! it used to have mine!
>
> hawk, seriously perturbed!

Do this ...
cd /usr/games/lib/nethackdir
./recover *

You'll get a slew of error messages about most things being unrecoverable
(i.e. the executables, data files, readmes, etc), but if there's a lock file
there, which is what you need to recover, it'll find it and fix it up for
you.


Kassandra Velez

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Mar 30, 2002, 11:15:41 PM3/30/02
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Cyde Weys said into the tin can on that end of the string:

Exactly how it's written, keeping in mind the vocalic value of 'y'.

Richard E. Hawkins

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Mar 30, 2002, 11:53:25 PM3/30/02
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In article <A_vp8.1392$AE1...@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>,
Cyde Weys <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:

>"Richard E. Hawkins" <ha...@fac13.ds.psu.edu> wrote in message
>news:a85ief$10...@r02n01.cac.psu.edu...

>> What happened to the auto-rescue that gets saved when changing dungeon
>> levels?

>Do this ...
>cd /usr/games/lib/nethackdir
>./recover *

>You'll get a slew of error messages about most things being unrecoverable
>(i.e. the executables, data files, readmes, etc), but if there's a lock file
>there, which is what you need to recover, it'll find it and fix it up for
>you.

FreeBSD is laid out a bit diffently, but I don't seem to have that
executable:

fac13ttyp2:nethack>grep recover /var/db/pkg/nethack-3.3.1/+CONTENTS
man/man6/recover.6.gz

hmm, the manpage, but no executable . . .

fac13ttyp2:nethack>pwd
/usr/local/share/nethack
fac13ttyp2:nethack>grep hawk *lock*
Binary file alock.0 matches
Binary file alock.16 matches
Binary file alock.2 matches
Binary file alock.3 matches
Binary file alock.4 matches
Binary file alock.55 matches

does this mean that those are the files it's using for me?]

Will I need to muck around with make to rebuild the package with more
options? I see that I have util/recover.c in my source directory, but it
has neither makefile nor will it compile without config.h, which I
presume comes from a ./configure at some point.

hawk, nervously awaiting the result

Pooya Woodcock

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> FreeBSD is laid out a bit diffently, but I don't seem to have that
> executable:

you have to compile recover separately, it is hiidden in the
util/ subdirectory of the source tarball. I could mail you
the recover binary if you cant find it.. it should be
completely static. for my freebsd box, i think
recover is of the form `recover alock_.0`, where _ is
some 4 digit number.

P

Douglas Berry

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Mar 31, 2002, 12:42:50 AM3/31/02
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On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 21:23:18 GMT, a wanderer, known to us only as
"Cyde Weys" <vze2...@verizon.net> warmed at our fire and told this
tale:

>> Or people into Norse mythology.. Hel, we can pronounce Yggdrasil


>> correctly!
>
>That's the name of the hero overlord in SC ... and I have NO FREAKING CLUE
>how to pronounce it. How do you pronounce it anyway?

Carefully.

Ehg-draa-sill

John Q. Smith

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Apr 1, 2002, 8:02:27 AM4/1/02
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Richard E. Hawkins wrote:
> D'oh . .
>
> I drew a lucky dungeon . . .dwarvish Valkyrie (so lawful???) found a
> useless altar on the second floor (no monsters would come close enough).
> But on the same floor the kitten brought a wand which I successfully
> identified as a wand of wishing out of the store.
>
> So I picked up the +2 blessed gray dragon scale male and blessed +2
> gauntlets of power, saving a wish for dire need.
>

Should've gotten the blessed ?oCharging first; or a marker if you had
already ID'd the ?oCharging (unlikely...). Not all /oWishing come as
(0:3) you know! It's no help to wrest the last charge at (0:0) for a
?oCharging!

> I found *another* coaligned alter later. Anyway, at this point I've
> been given Mjollnir (how *do* you pronounce that, anyway?) and Sunblade.

Me - ol - ner, IIRC. The other is Sunsword, BTW.

> Soldiers attacked at the Oracle (for breaking the statues?), I didn't
> notice I was blind, and even if I had, it hadn't occurred to me that
> this would leave me unable to catch the hammer . . .

You only have a 99% chance of catching it normally, BTW; not that you
miss that often...

> Being hit is annoying, but it broke my wand of wishing, upon which I was
> counting for the other 5 wishes !

Keep wands & rings like that in a bag... even a plain sack works!
Scrolls, too, for that matter... especially if you don't have reflection
yet! BTW, I like SDSM + Cloaks of MR (or oilskin or robes, if I have
another source of MR, such as another class' quest artifact... ;-)

> I also seem to have failed to catch it two or three times more, but I
> don't seem to be fumbling. Is this just something that happens with
> small chance, or have I done something wrong?

There is a small chance of missing, but are you
blind/confused/stunned/etc.? That can make a big difference...

> And since I'm lawful, should I be #dip'ping the silver saber I've found
> in fountains until it turns into excalibur?

No. Excalibur is a 'lawful long sword', not a silver saber, so dipping
that is only going to curse it if anything (or uncurse it if it's
already cursed...). Silver sabers make a great weapon to dual wield,
though... (e.g. Mojo + saber, since you can't dual wield two artifacts;
the artifact 'resists being held second to ___'; the saber goes in the
'other hand' slot & the artifact in the 'main' slot)


Richard E. Hawkins

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In article <3CA85A6...@az.rmci.net>,

John Q. Smith <jsm...@az.rmci.net> wrote:
>Richard E. Hawkins wrote:
>> D'oh . .

>> So I picked up the +2 blessed gray dragon scale male and blessed +2


>> gauntlets of power, saving a wish for dire need.
>>

>Should've gotten the blessed ?oCharging first; or a marker if you had
>already ID'd the ?oCharging (unlikely...). Not all /oWishing come as
>(0:3) you know! It's no help to wrest the last charge at (0:0) for a
>?oCharging!

THis was a 0:3 according to the identify scroll :) But that's a useful
thought for the future . . .

and how *do* you wrest last charges? by (a)pply?

>> I found *another* coaligned alter later. Anyway, at this point I've
>> been given Mjollnir (how *do* you pronounce that, anyway?) and Sunblade.

>Me - ol - ner, IIRC. The other is Sunsword, BTW.

>> Soldiers attacked at the Oracle (for breaking the statues?), I didn't
>> notice I was blind, and even if I had, it hadn't occurred to me that
>> this would leave me unable to catch the hammer . . .

>You only have a 99% chance of catching it normally, BTW; not that you
>miss that often...

is there any dexterity issue that can raise this?

>> Being hit is annoying, but it broke my wand of wishing, upon which I was
>> counting for the other 5 wishes !

>Keep wands & rings like that in a bag... even a plain sack works!
>Scrolls, too, for that matter... especially if you don't have reflection
>yet! BTW, I like SDSM + Cloaks of MR (or oilskin or robes, if I have
>another source of MR, such as another class' quest artifact... ;-)

>> I also seem to have failed to catch it two or three times more, but I
>> don't seem to be fumbling. Is this just something that happens with
>> small chance, or have I done something wrong?

>There is a small chance of missing, but are you
>blind/confused/stunned/etc.? That can make a big difference...

I suppose it was just the rare case where a pair of 1% came close
together.


>> And since I'm lawful, should I be #dip'ping the silver saber I've found
>> in fountains until it turns into excalibur?

>No. Excalibur is a 'lawful long sword', not a silver saber, so dipping
>that is only going to curse it if anything (or uncurse it if it's
>already cursed...). Silver sabers make a great weapon to dual wield,
>though... (e.g. Mojo + saber, since you can't dual wield two artifacts;
>the artifact 'resists being held second to ___'; the saber goes in the
>'other hand' slot & the artifact in the 'main' slot)

yeah, I found that about those egotistical artifacts. Now if only I can
get recover compiled, or all is lost . . .

Richard E. Hawkins

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Apr 1, 2002, 10:41:28 AM4/1/02
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In article <slrnaad6t1...@euler.math.umd.edu>,

I've found it, but how do I compile it? THere doesn't seem to be an
applicable make option, and my feeble attempt to compile it yields:

fac13# gcc recover.c
recover.c:10: config.h: No such file or directory


*which* config.h does it want? something out of /usr/src ? out of
nethack-3.3.1/src?

thanks

hawk

Richard E. Hawkins

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Apr 1, 2002, 10:57:52 AM4/1/02
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This just wasn't myu weekend . . .

Getting home at midnight saturday after a long fight with my program
(it's running, but somehow the *less* fit are surviving and spreading in
a genetic algorithm . . . .*sigh*), I copied the nethackdir for safety,
and tried again.

I ended up with a female gnomish wizard--with an uncursed ring of
polymorph. So I went with that. So long, cloak . . . I survived a
bit, and the kitten rushed into a shop and brought me *another* ring of
polymorph, which I suspect is blessed. So I begin gleefully running
around the dungeon polymorphing.

I felt a couple of courses of magical energy eating spare rings as a rust
monster.

A shopkeeper with a massive quantity
of scrolls contributed to my cause (that place was *hughe*)--I just
teleported out once I picked up everything. I was in a form that could
easily deal with the Kops, and then I went downstairs.

Became an ice devil. Then help arrived, so I have a tame ice devil.

It helped me dispatch the latest nasty to arrive.

And then the dungeon collapsed.

it said,

report error to wizard and it may be possible to rebuild
monsndx - could not index monster (818d350)

OK< now what (aside from, "you should be taking this as a message to not
play nethack!).

hawk

Nathan Moore

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"Richard E. Hawkins" <ha...@fac13.ds.psu.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <3CA85A6...@az.rmci.net>,
> John Q. Smith <jsm...@az.rmci.net> wrote:
>
> >Should've gotten the blessed ?oCharging first; or a marker if you
had
> >already ID'd the ?oCharging (unlikely...). Not all /oWishing come
as
> >(0:3) you know! It's no help to wrest the last charge at (0:0) for
a
> >?oCharging!
>
> THis was a 0:3 according to the identify scroll :) But that's a
useful
> thought for the future . . .
>
> and how *do* you wrest last charges? by (a)pply?

nope, just keep on zapping until you get "you wrest one last charge
out of the wand" then the wand turns to dust. IIRC, it's a 1% chance..
So maybe #adjust the wand to 'z', so you can z-z z-z repeatedly until
it works.

Nathan

Nathan F Russell

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Apr 3, 2002, 12:29:38 PM4/3/02
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ha...@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Richard E. Hawkins) wrote:

>I drew a lucky dungeon . . .dwarvish Valkyrie (so lawful???) found a
>useless altar on the second floor (no monsters would come close enough).
>But on the same floor the kitten brought a wand which I successfully
>identified as a wand of wishing out of the store.

Congrats! In hundreds of hours of play, I believe I've found *one*
random /oW. I used it to wish for an artifact weapon, among other
things, which most of the people here seem to regard as close to
cheating. I'll make my mind up on that one AFTER I ascend for the
first time! I've been playing barbarians for a fair amount of time (I
don't play female characters, so no valks), and only have one with a
score past 100k (said wand of wishing).

>So I picked up the +2 blessed gray dragon scale male and blessed +2
>gauntlets of power, saving a wish for dire need.

As others have mentioned, you can recharge the wand - make your first
wish for "three blessed scrolls of charging" - not sure if it's
'three' or '3', could someone clear me up on that?

>Soldiers attacked at the Oracle (for breaking the statues?)

Nope, for the same reason everything in the game attacks you.

BTW, soldiers, kops, orcs, and other monsters who turn up in large
groups, can be turned against one another very quickly with a certain
form of magic. I almost fell out of my chair when it happened on my
second or third game.

>Being hit is annoying, but it broke my wand of wishing, upon which I was
>counting for the other 5 wishes !

I've never had a wand broken by a melee attack by a soldier (or anyone
else) - is this new in 3.4.0?

>I also seem to have failed to catch it two or three times more, but I
>don't seem to be fumbling. Is this just something that happens with
>small chance, or have I done something wrong?

There is a 1% chance, I don't think dex, or anything else, effects the
chance.

>And since I'm lawful, should I be #dip'ping the silver saber I've found
>in fountains until it turns into excalibur?

Excalibur is a longsword. Dipping your silver saber into the fountain
may well result in more trouble than you really want to deal with -
one of the BETTER things that could happen is the saber becoming
cursed.

Nathan

Kate Nepveu

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Apr 3, 2002, 1:15:29 PM4/3/02
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Nathan F Russell <nrus...@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
> ha...@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Richard E. Hawkins) wrote:

> >I drew a lucky dungeon . . .dwarvish Valkyrie (so lawful???) found a
> >useless altar on the second floor (no monsters would come close enough).
> >But on the same floor the kitten brought a wand which I successfully
> >identified as a wand of wishing out of the store.

> Congrats! In hundreds of hours of play, I believe I've found *one*
> random /oW. I used it to wish for an artifact weapon, among other
> things, which most of the people here seem to regard as close to
> cheating.

I don't consider it cheating, just not something I want to do, like
wearing an amulet of life saving. I certainly wouldn't criticize someone
for it.

Kate
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Cliff Simpson

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Apr 3, 2002, 1:14:01 PM4/3/02
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Nathan F Russell wrote:

> ...- not sure if it's 'three' or '3'

3

> ...I've never had a wand broken by a melee attack by a soldier (or anyone


> else) - is this new in 3.4.0?

He was hit by Mjollnir so the lightening broke the wand. Not new to 3.4 but
rare. Ever tried to beat your way out of a vortex with Mojo before you had
shock resistance? Ouch! :)
--

Cliff

Field Marshall Stack

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Apr 3, 2002, 4:46:49 PM4/3/02
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In article <c4emau83bhk3c8b6l...@4ax.com>, Nathan F Russell wrote:
>
[snip]

> I've been playing barbarians for a fair amount of time (I
> don't play female characters, so no valks), and only have one with a
> score past 100k (said wand of wishing).
[snip]
> Nathan

*boggle*. Why not?

-ben

Nathan F Russell

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Apr 3, 2002, 6:24:58 PM4/3/02
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I don't know - it's kind of an RP thing, I just can't picture myself
playing a female character. It's odd, though, because I have no
trouble playing a monk, and I'm a white liberal Atheist; nor do I have
any trouble playing characters who go around killing fellow
intelligent beings with swords every ten steps or so.

Nathan

Intoxicated astral medic

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Apr 3, 2002, 6:43:46 PM4/3/02
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Some of us I imagine see the @ sign as ourselves in the dungeon, I
still find it odd that an incubis has seduced me when I play a female

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Chris McCraw

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Apr 3, 2002, 11:10:31 PM4/3/02
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In a previous article, Nathan F Russell <nrus...@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:

>I don't know - it's kind of an RP thing, I just can't picture myself
>playing a female character. It's odd, though, because I have no
>trouble playing a monk, and I'm a white liberal Atheist; nor do I have

atheistic monks are fun, imnsho. not sure what liberal translates to
in nethack =)

the only really hard part is finding holy water..if i don't manage that by
gehennom i usually decide to give up on that challenge.

Chris McCraw

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Apr 3, 2002, 11:17:49 PM4/3/02
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In a previous article, Nathan Moore <sasqu...@tepidmail.com> wrote:

>nope, just keep on zapping until you get "you wrest one last charge
>out of the wand" then the wand turns to dust. IIRC, it's a 1% chance..
>So maybe #adjust the wand to 'z', so you can z-z z-z repeatedly until
>it works.

why bother?

100z
What do you want to zap? [c or ?*] <c>
Nothing happens.
What do you want to zap? [c or ?*]
...

that way you will stop zapping when something attacks you as well--i died
a few too many "rest with . through some lag and end up dead of an ant that
was there before 10 queued .'s made it thru to the server" to do anything
like that manually anymore. <#>-command works with anything i can think
of that would make sense to repeat...

u.uluck++;
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Tina Hall

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Apr 4, 2002, 12:03:00 AM4/4/02
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Nathan F Russell wrote:
> Field Marshall Stack <hi...@speakeasy.org> wrote:
> >In article <c4emau83bhk3c8b6l...@4ax.com>,
> >Nathan F Russell wrote:
> >[snip]
> >> I've been playing barbarians for a fair amount of time (I
> >> don't play female characters, so no valks), and only have
> >> one with a score past 100k (said wand of wishing).
> >[snip]
> >> Nathan
> >
> >*boggle*. Why not?
>
> I don't know - it's kind of an RP thing, I just can't picture
> myself playing a female character.

Right, girls have no business in a dangerous dungeon. <g>

(I don't like playing female characters either, but I have played
valkyries... Oh, and a female tourist called Tina. :) )

What do you do if you change gender in-game for some reason?

> It's odd, though, because I have no trouble playing a monk, and
> I'm a white liberal Atheist;

Wouldn't that even more contradict priests? (And what about X-
mas, or that american Thanks Giving thing, and atheism? Around
here, people seem to expect everyone adheres to their weird
customs.)

> nor do I have any trouble playing characters who go around
> killing fellow intelligent beings with swords every ten steps
> or so.

Poking people with sharp objects in RL would only get me into
trouble with the cops, and wandering around in search for some
weird amulet would be too much bother anyway. :)

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Richard E. Hawkins

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Apr 4, 2002, 6:15:07 PM4/4/02
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In article <c4emau83bhk3c8b6l...@4ax.com>,

Nathan F Russell <nrus...@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
>ha...@fac13.ds.psu.edu (Richard E. Hawkins) wrote:

>>I drew a lucky dungeon . . .dwarvish Valkyrie (so lawful???) found a
>>useless altar on the second floor (no monsters would come close enough).
>>But on the same floor the kitten brought a wand which I successfully
>>identified as a wand of wishing out of the store.

>Congrats! In hundreds of hours of play, I believe I've found *one*
>random /oW.

I've found a few over the years, but rarely this early . . .

>I used it to wish for an artifact weapon, among other
>things, which most of the people here seem to regard as close to
>cheating.

ehh, you get given lots of artifacts.

>I'll make my mind up on that one AFTER I ascend for the
>first time! I've been playing barbarians for a fair amount of time (I
>don't play female characters, so no valks), and only have one with a
>score past 100k (said wand of wishing).

yikes, I don't take it personally enough not to play females, chaotoics,
atheists, etc. I also use female characters when I write (including the
main character in one of them).

hmm, it's the valkyrie that get amulets so easy . . .

>As others have mentioned, you can recharge the wand - make your first
>wish for "three blessed scrolls of charging" - not sure if it's
>'three' or '3', could someone clear me up on that?

It's 2 :)

I was always assuming I could find scrolls of charging later without a
wish; the gray dragon scale mail and gauntlets of power are enough to
have a clear path to level 7 and Mojilliner from a sacrifice.


>BTW, soldiers, kops, orcs, and other monsters who turn up in large
>groups, can be turned against one another very quickly with a certain
>form of magic. I almost fell out of my chair when it happened on my
>second or third game.

>>Being hit is annoying, but it broke my wand of wishing, upon which I was
>>counting for the other 5 wishes !

>I've never had a wand broken by a melee attack by a soldier (or anyone
>else) - is this new in 3.4.0?

It was my own hammer :(

I think I broke a couple of giants' wands on my quests with it on my
current game.


>>And since I'm lawful, should I be #dip'ping the silver saber I've found
>>in fountains until it turns into excalibur?

>Excalibur is a longsword. Dipping your silver saber into the fountain
>may well result in more trouble than you really want to deal with -
>one of the BETTER things that could happen is the saber becoming
>cursed.

for some reason, I thought sabers were a kind of longsword in htis game.

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