Getting ready for first Ascension run (on NAO)

[Prometheus77]

It's my first time getting close to being able to ascend ... I'm pretty excited. I'd love to get some advice from you pros out there on how to prep to make sure I don't screw this up.

My checklist of stuff to do:
Level up to 30
Genocide L, disenchanter, green slime (already genocided master mind flayers)
Blank/bless useless scrolls
Dilute useless potions and bless for holy water
attach candles
Pick up remaining K-rations from Ludios and bless
Use cursed blank scrolls to nurse dance and get to ~400 hp, tin corpses
Lay a pile of 20-30 cockatrice eggs
Use remaining 3 /oW charges for blessed figurine of a Ki-rin, saddle, magic marker
Dump useless non-artifact weapons/armor and wands to get to unburdened
Save last wish (magic lamp or smoky potions) for Ice Box
fruit juice and fizzy potions for Ascension bar (I'm Mormon so no booze)

Is Ki-rin the best steed for an ascension run? I could try to sacrifice for Frost Brand, enchant to +7 and get a pet mountain centaur (save a wish) with shield of reflection instead. Ki-rin seems better because of flying, and I don't think I'll be dismounting for anything.

Anything else I need do? Charge up and eat rings of increase damage? I have almost all the good intrinsics (including disintegration resistance) except teleport control and poly control (I do have teleportitis from eating tengus). Here's my stats and inventory:

Zeprikalor the Champion St:25 Dx:16 Co:19 In:12 Wi:15 Ch:7 Lawful S:1863128
Dlvl:17 $:122 HP:270(270) Pw:28(30) AC:-42 Xp:27/70013911 T:66252 Burdened

Amulets
g - an amulet of life saving
B - an uncursed amulet of life saving (being worn)
Weapons
G - the blessed +7 Grayswandir
H - a blessed +5 silver saber (alternate weapon; not wielded)
Armor
q - a blessed greased +6 elven leather helm (being worn)
z - a blessed fireproof +4 pair of speed boots (being worn)
C - a blessed rustproof +5 pair of gauntlets of power (being worn)
I - a blessed +5 Hawaiian shirt (being worn)
Q - a blessed greased fireproof +4 cloak of magic resistance (being worn)
Z - a blessed +5 silver dragon scale mail (being worn)
Comestibles
f - 2 tins of nurse meat
y - 5 uncursed lizard corpses
Rings
x - an uncursed very rusty ring of slow digestion
F - an uncursed ring of teleport control (on left hand)
J - a cursed ring of free action (on right hand)
X - a blessed ring of conflict
Wands
d - a wand of striking
h - a wand of fire
i - a wand of create monster
j - a cursed wand of lightning (0:8)
m - a cursed wand of cancellation (0:5)
n - a wand of cold
o - an uncursed wand of speed monster (0:0)
r - a wand of teleportation
v - a wand of probing
M - a wand of create monster
N - a wand of speed monster
P - a wand of striking
S - a wand of digging
U - a wand of digging
V - a wand of create monster
Tools
b - a blessed greased bag of holding
e - the cursed Bell of Opening (0:3)
k - an uncursed skeleton key
l - a blessed magic lamp (lit)
s - an uncursed stethoscope
t - an uncursed towel
u - a blessed +0 unicorn horn
w - an uncursed magic whistle
E - an uncursed magic marker (1:15)
K - a bag of holding
O - the blessed Orb of Fate (0:3)
T - the uncursed Candelabrum of Invocation (no candles attached)
W - an uncursed bag of holding


Contents of the bag of holding:
Take out what?

Coins ('$')
a - 16760 gold pieces
Amulets ('"')
b - an amulet of ESP
c - an amulet of ESP
d - an amulet of life saving
e - an amulet of life saving
f - an uncursed amulet of reflection
g - an uncursed amulet of reflection
h - a cursed amulet of strangulation
i - an uncursed amulet of unchanging
j - an amulet versus poison
Weapons (')')
k - an uncursed bullwhip
l - a blessed +0 elven dagger
m - 6 uncursed +0 elven daggers
n - an elven dagger
o - the blessed rustproof +1 Excalibur
p - an uncursed rustproof +3 halberd
q - a long sword
r - the uncursed rustproof +0 Mjollnir
a - the blessed rustproof +1 Sunsword
Armor ('[')
b - an uncursed +0 cloak of displacement
c - a cursed -1 helm of opposite alignment
d - an uncursed burnt +0 pair of boots called jumping boots
e - an uncursed +0 pair of gauntlets of power
f - an uncursed +0 pair of kicking boots
g - an uncursed +0 pair of water walking boots
h - an uncursed +1 shield of reflection
Comestibles ('%')
i - 2 uncursed apples
j - a C-ration
k - a cream pie
l - an egg
m - 5 eggs
n - 7 food rations
o - 9 uncursed K-rations
p - 7 K-rations
q - a lembas wafer
r - an uncursed partly eaten lizard corpse
s - a lizard corpse
t - an uncursed melon
u - a pancake
a - 4 uncursed pineapples
b - 2 uncursed tins
c - a tripe ration
Scrolls ('?')
d - a scroll called scare monster
e - an uncursed scroll of amnesia
f - 2 blessed scrolls of create monster
g - 3 uncursed scrolls of create monster
h - a scroll of create monster
i - an uncursed scroll of fire
j - 2 uncursed scrolls of gold detection
k - a scroll of identify
l - 3 uncursed scrolls of stinking cloud
m - 6 uncursed scrolls of teleportation
n - 5 scrolls of teleportation
o - a scroll of teleportation
Spellbooks ('+')
p - a spellbook of restore ability
Potions ('!')
q - an uncursed potion of blindness
r - a potion of extra healing
s - an uncursed potion of fruit juice
t - a potion of healing
a - a potion of invisibility
b - a potion of levitation
c - a potion of polymorph
d - 2 potions of speed
e - an uncursed potion of water
Rings ('=')
f - a blessed ring called polymorph control
g - a ring of aggravate monster
h - an uncursed ring of free action
i - a blessed +2 ring of gain constitution
j - a ring of invisibility
k - a blessed ring of levitation
l - an uncursed ring of polymorph
m - a cursed -2 ring of protection
n - an uncursed ring of shock resistance
o - a ring of slow digestion
Wands ('/')
p - an uncursed spiked wand
q - a spiked wand
r - an uncursed wand of cold
s - a wand of create monster
t - an uncursed wand of death (0:5)
u - a wand of digging
a - an uncursed wand of fire (0:4)
b - an uncursed wand of fire (0:1)
c - a wand of light
d - an uncursed wand of lightning
e - a wand of locking
f - a wand of magic missile
g - a wand of opening
h - an uncursed wand of polymorph (0:8)
i - an uncursed wand of probing
j - an uncursed wand of sleep
k - a wand of speed monster
l - an uncursed wand of striking
m - an uncursed wand of striking
n - an uncursed wand of striking
o - a wand of striking
p - a wand of striking
q - a wand of striking
r - an uncursed wand of teleportation (0:2)
s - an uncursed wand of teleportation
t - an uncursed wand of teleportation
u - a wand of teleportation
v - a wand of teleportation
Tools ('(')
a - an uncursed can of grease (0:1)
b - an uncursed frost horn (0:7)
c - a blessed horn of plenty (0:18)
d - an uncursed magic flute (0:6)
e - a pick-axe
f - a blessed tinning kit (0:42)
g - a unicorn horn
h - a unicorn horn
i - a unicorn horn
Gems ('*')
j - 3 uncursed agate stones
k - 8 uncursed amber stones
l - 3 amber stones
m - 8 uncursed amethyst stones
n - 10 uncursed aquamarine stones
o - 3 aquamarine stones
p - 5 uncursed black opals
q - 5 uncursed chrysoberyl stones
r - 5 chrysoberyl stones
s - 5 uncursed citrine stones
t - a citrine stone
u - 6 uncursed diamonds
v - an uncursed dilithium crystal
a - 3 dilithium crystals
b - 12 uncursed emeralds
c - 3 emeralds
d - 8 uncursed fluorite stones
e - 4 fluorite stones
f - an uncursed garnet stone
g - a garnet stone
h - 4 uncursed jacinth stones
i - a jacinth stone
j - 6 uncursed jade stones
k - an uncursed jasper stone
l - 5 jasper stones
m - 12 uncursed jet stones
n - 6 obsidian stones
o - an uncursed opal
p - 3 opals
q - 7 uncursed rubies
r - a ruby
s - 5 uncursed sapphires
t - an uncursed stone called luckstone
u - an uncursed topaz stone
v - 2 blessed touchstones
w - 3 uncursed turquoise stones
a - a turquoise stone

[Aardvark Joe]

Prometheus77 wrote:
> Zeprikalor the Champion St:25 Dx:16 Co:19 In:12 Wi:15 Ch:7 Lawful S:1863128

> Dlvl:17 $:122 HP:270(270) Pw:28(30) AC:-42 Xp:27/70013911 T:66252 Burdened <======

While I'm sure others will give you lots of advice, this is the
one thing that you absolutely need to fix. Being burdened (or
worse) is probably the best way to get yourself killed in the
endgame. Get rid of your junk.

For reference, here's what I would get rid of:

> y - 5 uncursed lizard corpses - at least 3 of these

> i - a wand of create monster

> o - an uncursed wand of speed monster (0:0) - You only need 1

> M - a wand of create monster
> N - a wand of speed monster

> V - a wand of create monster

> K - a bag of holding

> W - an uncursed bag of holding

> a - 16760 gold pieces

> b - an amulet of ESP
> c - an amulet of ESP

> f - an uncursed amulet of reflection
> g - an uncursed amulet of reflection
> h - a cursed amulet of strangulation
> i - an uncursed amulet of unchanging
> j - an amulet versus poison

> k - an uncursed bullwhip
> l - a blessed +0 elven dagger

> m - 6 uncursed +0 elven daggers - if you were going to use these,
> they'd be in your inventory.

> n - an elven dagger
> o - the blessed rustproof +1 Excalibur
> p - an uncursed rustproof +3 halberd
> q - a long sword
> r - the uncursed rustproof +0 Mjollnir
> a - the blessed rustproof +1 Sunsword

> b - an uncursed +0 cloak of displacement

> e - an uncursed +0 pair of gauntlets of power
> f - an uncursed +0 pair of kicking boots

> h - an uncursed +1 shield of reflection

> j - a C-ration

> r - an uncursed partly eaten lizard corpse

> p - a spellbook of restore ability

> g - a ring of aggravate monster

> i - a blessed +2 ring of gain constitution

> m - a cursed -2 ring of protection
> n - an uncursed ring of shock resistance

> s - a wand of create monster

> c - a wand of light

> k - a wand of speed monster
> l - an uncursed wand of striking
> m - an uncursed wand of striking
> n - an uncursed wand of striking
> o - a wand of striking
> p - a wand of striking
> q - a wand of striking

> g - a unicorn horn
> h - a unicorn horn

[Janis Papanagnou]

On 20.07.2012 23:30, Prometheus77 wrote:
> It's my first time getting close to being able to ascend ... I'm pretty
> excited. I'd love to get some advice from you pros out there on how to
> prep to make sure I don't screw this up.
>
> My checklist of stuff to do:
> Level up to 30

Don't. You are already XL:27 with is more than enough.

> Genocide L, disenchanter, green slime (already genocided master mind
flayers)

Next scroll on L is okay. The rest is unnecessary. Just don't melee the R's.

> Blank/bless useless scrolls
> Dilute useless potions and bless for holy water
> attach candles

Can be done as soon as you have them; will reduce weight of the candles.

> Pick up remaining K-rations from Ludios and bless

Blessing K-rations is not necessary

> Use cursed blank scrolls to nurse dance and get to ~400 hp, tin corpses

You have sufficient HPs already; if you like more then consider doing alchemy
instead of nurse dancing.

> Lay a pile of 20-30 cockatrice eggs

Doing that procedure is an unnecessary delay.

> Use remaining 3 /oW charges for blessed figurine of a Ki-rin, saddle,
magic marker

If you think it's nice to ride a pet, well. Certainly quite unnecessary. But
keep in mind that riding when your saddle gets cursed by magic forces might
turn out to become some obstacle.

> Dump useless non-artifact weapons/armor and wands to get to unburdened
> Save last wish (magic lamp or smoky potions) for Ice Box

WHAT? - You said you are ready for the ascension run! - You certainly don't
need an ice box.

> fruit juice and fizzy potions for Ascension bar (I'm Mormon so no booze)

There's a Mormon religion in Nethack? :-}

[OT] Curious; if you're a Mormon, are you restricted drinking "binary" booze
in computer games as well by your religion? (Or is it just similar to the
issue of killing Izchak, dignity or something like that?)

>
> Is Ki-rin the best steed for an ascension run? I could try to sacrifice for
> Frost Brand, enchant to +7

No. You already have all weapons you need.

> and get a pet mountain centaur (save a wish)
> with shield of reflection instead. Ki-rin seems better because of flying,
> and I don't think I'll be dismounting for anything.
> Anything else I need do? Charge up and eat rings of increase damage?
> I have almost all the good intrinsics (including disintegration resistance)
> except teleport control and poly control (I do have teleportitis from eating
> tengus).

In case of teleportitis I'd definitely try to get teleport control; that
would have a high priority in my book. Reverse genocide tengu. But I see
you have the ring, so as long as you don't need that ring slot for other
use you're okay at the moment.

> Here's my stats and inventory:
>
> Zeprikalor the Champion St:25 Dx:16 Co:19 In:12 Wi:15 Ch:7 Lawful S:1863128
> Dlvl:17 $:122 HP:270(270) Pw:28(30) AC:-42 Xp:27/70013911 T:66252 Burdened
>

> Weapons
> G - the blessed +7 Grayswandir
> H - a blessed +5 silver saber (alternate weapon; not wielded)

You're not wielding Grayswandir.

> Tools

> e - the cursed Bell of Opening (0:3)

Uncurse it for the rite at the Vibrating Square.

> K - a bag of holding

Drop that second (unnecessary and dangerous) second bag of holding.

> W - an uncursed bag of holding

Erm.., why even a third one?!

> Contents of the bag of holding:
> Take out what?
>
> Coins ('$')
> a - 16760 gold pieces

If you bought all your protection already drop most of your gold; it's just
useless weight.

> Amulets ('"')
> b - an amulet of ESP
> c - an amulet of ESP

Drop duplicates of all items that aren't necessary to have multiple times;
there are a lot in your list.

> Weapons (')')
> k - an uncursed bullwhip
> l - a blessed +0 elven dagger
> m - 6 uncursed +0 elven daggers
> n - an elven dagger
> o - the blessed rustproof +1 Excalibur
> p - an uncursed rustproof +3 halberd
> q - a long sword
> r - the uncursed rustproof +0 Mjollnir
> a - the blessed rustproof +1 Sunsword

Leave unused weapons and artifacts on a stash; take only those that you will
need with you. (Keeping one unenchanted artifact for disenchanters is fine.)

> Armor ('[')
> b - an uncursed +0 cloak of displacement
> c - a cursed -1 helm of opposite alignment
> d - an uncursed burnt +0 pair of boots called jumping boots
> e - an uncursed +0 pair of gauntlets of power
> f - an uncursed +0 pair of kicking boots
> g - an uncursed +0 pair of water walking boots
> h - an uncursed +1 shield of reflection

Leave unused armor on a stash. Take the helm of opposite alignment later with
you for the Astral Plane.

> Scrolls ('?')

> e - an uncursed scroll of amnesia

Blank that ASAP to avoid incidents.

> Spellbooks ('+')

Drop them all.


Good luck!

Janis

[Benjamin A. Schmit]

2012-07-20 23:30 – Prometheus77:

> It's my first time getting close to being able to ascend ... I'm pretty excited. I'd love to get some advice from you pros out there on how to prep to make sure I don't screw this up.

Congrats for getting there! I've only ascended twice, but here's my advice:

> My checklist of stuff to do:
> Level up to 30

I wouldn't do that. 27 is quite sufficient, and the higher your XP, the
more dangerous the monsters you'll meet. Better get the HPs up using
nurses or drinks.

> Genocide L, disenchanter, green slime (already genocided master mind flayers)
> Blank/bless useless scrolls

I'd keep a few cursed blank scrolls as well – you might want them for
reverse genocide or portal detection.

> Dilute useless potions and bless for holy water
> attach candles
> Pick up remaining K-rations from Ludios and bless
> Use cursed blank scrolls to nurse dance and get to ~400 hp, tin corpses
> Lay a pile of 20-30 cockatrice eggs
> Use remaining 3 /oW charges for blessed figurine of a Ki-rin, saddle, magic marker
> Dump useless non-artifact weapons/armor and wands to get to unburdened
> Save last wish (magic lamp or smoky potions) for Ice Box
> fruit juice and fizzy potions for Ascension bar (I'm Mormon so no booze)

Generally, I'd say if you do all this you're quite over-prepared. But
for a first ascension, this is probably not an error.

And: The game is hard enough so that an ascension is quite an
achievement even without that extra bragging… I'd only do this if there
isn't anything dangerous near on Astral.

> Is Ki-rin the best steed for an ascension run? I could try to sacrifice for Frost Brand, enchant to +7 and get a pet mountain centaur (save a wish) with shield of reflection instead. Ki-rin seems better because of flying, and I don't think I'll be dismounting for anything.
>
> Anything else I need do? Charge up and eat rings of increase damage? I have almost all the good intrinsics (including disintegration resistance) except teleport control and poly control (I do have teleportitis from eating tengus). Here's my stats and inventory:

I'd go for teleport control if you can. It frees up a ring slot, which
you can use for extrinsics that might save your life later on.

> Zeprikalor the Champion St:25 Dx:16 Co:19 In:12 Wi:15 Ch:7 Lawful S:1863128
> Dlvl:17 $:122 HP:270(270) Pw:28(30) AC:-42 Xp:27/70013911 T:66252 Burdened
>
> Amulets
> g - an amulet of life saving
> B - an uncursed amulet of life saving (being worn)
> Weapons
> G - the blessed +7 Grayswandir
> H - a blessed +5 silver saber (alternate weapon; not wielded)
> Armor
> q - a blessed greased +6 elven leather helm (being worn)
> z - a blessed fireproof +4 pair of speed boots (being worn)

You may want to switch to jumping on Astral, using the lighted
Candelabrum – depends on strategy.

> C - a blessed rustproof +5 pair of gauntlets of power (being worn)
> I - a blessed +5 Hawaiian shirt (being worn)
> Q - a blessed greased fireproof +4 cloak of magic resistance (being worn)
> Z - a blessed +5 silver dragon scale mail (being worn)
> Comestibles
> f - 2 tins of nurse meat
> y - 5 uncursed lizard corpses

I'd keep at least one K-ration in open inventory. More if you're
getting close to Famine on Astral.

> Rings
> x - an uncursed very rusty ring of slow digestion
> F - an uncursed ring of teleport control (on left hand)
> J - a cursed ring of free action (on right hand)
> X - a blessed ring of conflict
> Wands
> d - a wand of striking
> h - a wand of fire
> i - a wand of create monster
> j - a cursed wand of lightning (0:8)
> m - a cursed wand of cancellation (0:5)
> n - a wand of cold
> o - an uncursed wand of speed monster (0:0)
> r - a wand of teleportation
> v - a wand of probing
> M - a wand of create monster
> N - a wand of speed monster
> P - a wand of striking
> S - a wand of digging
> U - a wand of digging
> V - a wand of create monster
> Tools
> b - a blessed greased bag of holding
> e - the cursed Bell of Opening (0:3)

Uncurse before use!

> k - an uncursed skeleton key
> l - a blessed magic lamp (lit)
> s - an uncursed stethoscope
> t - an uncursed towel
> u - a blessed +0 unicorn horn
> w - an uncursed magic whistle
> E - an uncursed magic marker (1:15)
> K - a bag of holding
> O - the blessed Orb of Fate (0:3)
> T - the uncursed Candelabrum of Invocation (no candles attached)
> W - an uncursed bag of holding
>
>
> Contents of the bag of holding:
> Take out what?
>
> Coins ('$')
> a - 16760 gold pieces
> Amulets ('"')
> b - an amulet of ESP
> c - an amulet of ESP
> d - an amulet of life saving
> e - an amulet of life saving

The extra turn to get this out of the bag can be crucial… But I see you
do have another one in the main inventory.

> f - an uncursed amulet of reflection
> g - an uncursed amulet of reflection
> h - a cursed amulet of strangulation
> i - an uncursed amulet of unchanging
> j - an amulet versus poison
> Weapons (')')
> k - an uncursed bullwhip
> l - a blessed +0 elven dagger
> m - 6 uncursed +0 elven daggers
> n - an elven dagger
> o - the blessed rustproof +1 Excalibur
> p - an uncursed rustproof +3 halberd
> q - a long sword
> r - the uncursed rustproof +0 Mjollnir
> a - the blessed rustproof +1 Sunsword

Get rid of some trash in order to move more lightly…

> Armor ('[')
> b - an uncursed +0 cloak of displacement
> c - a cursed -1 helm of opposite alignment

Good thing to have on Astral!

> d - an uncursed burnt +0 pair of boots called jumping boots
> e - an uncursed +0 pair of gauntlets of power
> f - an uncursed +0 pair of kicking boots
> g - an uncursed +0 pair of water walking boots
> h - an uncursed +1 shield of reflection
> Comestibles ('%')
> i - 2 uncursed apples
> j - a C-ration
> k - a cream pie
> l - an egg
> m - 5 eggs
> n - 7 food rations
> o - 9 uncursed K-rations
> p - 7 K-rations
> q - a lembas wafer
> r - an uncursed partly eaten lizard corpse
> s - a lizard corpse
> t - an uncursed melon
> u - a pancake
> a - 4 uncursed pineapples
> b - 2 uncursed tins
> c - a tripe ration

Take only what you can eat quickly (mainly K-rations).

I don't see death here. If it's not that spiked wand, it might be worth
a wish (or try polymorphing the junk wands).

> Tools ('(')
> a - an uncursed can of grease (0:1)
> b - an uncursed frost horn (0:7)
> c - a blessed horn of plenty (0:18)
> d - an uncursed magic flute (0:6)
> e - a pick-axe
> f - a blessed tinning kit (0:42)
> g - a unicorn horn
> h - a unicorn horn
> i - a unicorn horn

I'd curse one of these for confusion (or drop them if you rely on
forgotten spells). Don't keep the cursed one in your main inventory to
avoid your God granting you 'favours'.

Bless that one and keep it in open inventory.

> u - an uncursed topaz stone
> v - 2 blessed touchstones
> w - 3 uncursed turquoise stones
> a - a turquoise stone

Well, good luck! Let us know what you do, and if you make it!

Benjamin


--
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires.
Seek discipline and find your liberty.
-- Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles

[Prometheus77]

> &gt; fruit juice and fizzy potions for Ascension bar (I&#39;m Mormon so no booze)
>
> There&#39;s a Mormon religion in Nethack? :-}
>
> [OT] Curious; if you&#39;re a Mormon, are you restricted drinking &quot;binary&quot; booze

> in computer games as well by your religion? (Or is it just similar to the
> issue of killing Izchak, dignity or something like that?)
>

Hahaha, no I don't think anyone's going to get upset with me for drinking digital alcohol. If that were a problem, I'd probably be in BIG trouble if I got caught repeatedly consorting with incubi/succubi.

On that note, I thought through what a "Mormon" conduct would include:
- Law of Tithing: you have to give at least 10% of the gold you collect to an aligned priest
- Word of Wisdom: no potions of booze, black potions (coffee), or brown potions (tea). For a samurai or monk, brown potions are okay but no dark green potions (green tea).
- Law of Chastity: Get "married" before consorting with a foocubus. In order to get married, you have to tame it first, then bring it to an altar and "pray" next to it. Finally, you have to give it/get from it a ring of adornment. Then you can't be with any other foocubus unless yours dies, and you "marry" another. (Lest anyone suggest polygamy is okay, that would be a "Mormon Fundamentalist" conduct and would be separate)
- Missionary Work: Convert every convertible altar. This includes ones with aligned priests (to put some challenge into the game).
- Eternal Marriage: Ascend with your "married" pet foocubus

[Janis Papanagnou]

On 21.07.2012 21:06, Prometheus77 wrote:
>
> On that note, I thought through what a "Mormon" conduct would include:

[...]

Gee! - I am already in trouble fully understanding Nethack's built-in
divine issues; yet following additional behavioural restrictions would
certainly be beyond my capabilities. ;-}

Janis

[Zyanai]

On Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:06:35 PM UTC-6, Prometheus77 wrote:
> &gt; &amp;gt; fruit juice and fizzy potions for Ascension bar (I&amp;#39;m Mormon so no booze)
> &gt;
> &gt; There&amp;#39;s a Mormon religion in Nethack? :-}
> &gt;
> &gt; [OT] Curious; if you&amp;#39;re a Mormon, are you restricted drinking &amp;quot;binary&amp;quot; booze
> &gt; in computer games as well by your religion? (Or is it just similar to the
> &gt; issue of killing Izchak, dignity or something like that?)
> &gt;
>
> Hahaha, no I don&#39;t think anyone&#39;s going to get upset with me for drinking digital alcohol. If that were a problem, I&#39;d probably be in BIG trouble if I got caught repeatedly consorting with incubi/succubi.
>
> On that note, I thought through what a &quot;Mormon&quot; conduct would include:

> - Law of Tithing: you have to give at least 10% of the gold you collect to an aligned priest
> - Word of Wisdom: no potions of booze, black potions (coffee), or brown potions (tea). For a samurai or monk, brown potions are okay but no dark green potions (green tea).

> - Law of Chastity: Get &quot;married&quot; before consorting with a foocubus. In order to get married, you have to tame it first, then bring it to an altar and &quot;pray&quot; next to it. Finally, you have to give it/get from it a ring of adornment. Then you can&#39;t be with any other foocubus unless yours dies, and you &quot;marry&quot; another. (Lest anyone suggest polygamy is okay, that would be a &quot;Mormon Fundamentalist&quot; conduct and would be separate)

> - Missionary Work: Convert every convertible altar. This includes ones with aligned priests (to put some challenge into the game).

> - Eternal Marriage: Ascend with your &quot;married&quot; pet foocubus

What kind of time control do you have on converting convertible altars with aligned priests?

Dan Day

You do have a goal to ascend, right?

[bLackAnon the Elvenverb]

On Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:18:38 PM UTC-6, Zyanai wrote:
> On Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:06:35 PM UTC-6, Prometheus77 wrote:

> &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;amp;gt; fruit juice and fizzy potions for Ascension bar (I&amp;amp;#39;m Mormon so no booze)
> &gt; &amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; There&amp;amp;#39;s a Mormon religion in Nethack? :-}
> &gt; &amp;gt;
> &gt; &amp;gt; [OT] Curious; if you&amp;amp;#39;re a Mormon, are you restricted drinking &amp;amp;quot;binary&amp;amp;quot; booze
> &gt; &amp;gt; in computer games as well by your religion? (Or is it just similar to the
> &gt; &amp;gt; issue of killing Izchak, dignity or something like that?)
> &gt; &amp;gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; Hahaha, no I don&amp;#39;t think anyone&amp;#39;s going to get upset with me for drinking digital alcohol. If that were a problem, I&amp;#39;d probably be in BIG trouble if I got caught repeatedly consorting with incubi/succubi.
> &gt;
> &gt; On that note, I thought through what a &amp;quot;Mormon&amp;quot; conduct would include:
> &gt; - Law of Tithing: you have to give at least 10% of the gold you collect to an aligned priest
> &gt; - Word of Wisdom: no potions of booze, black potions (coffee), or brown potions (tea). For a samurai or monk, brown potions are okay but no dark green potions (green tea).
> &gt; - Law of Chastity: Get &amp;quot;married&amp;quot; before consorting with a foocubus. In order to get married, you have to tame it first, then bring it to an altar and &amp;quot;pray&amp;quot; next to it. Finally, you have to give it/get from it a ring of adornment. Then you can&amp;#39;t be with any other foocubus unless yours dies, and you &amp;quot;marry&amp;quot; another. (Lest anyone suggest polygamy is okay, that would be a &amp;quot;Mormon Fundamentalist&amp;quot; conduct and would be separate)
> &gt; - Missionary Work: Convert every convertible altar. This includes ones with aligned priests (to put some challenge into the game).
> &gt; - Eternal Marriage: Ascend with your &amp;quot;married&amp;quot; pet foocubus

>
> What kind of time control do you have on converting convertible altars with aligned priests?
>
> Dan Day
>
> You do have a goal to ascend, right?

K, you are no longer Mormon. You are They WHO were Mormon but fell to a Chaotic priest and now bow in full submission to said Chaotic priest and call him simply "Yawheh" .

[Doug Freyburger]

Prometheus77 wrote:
>
> It's my first time getting close to being able to ascend ... I'm
> pretty excited. I'd love to get some advice from you pros out there on
> how to prep to make sure I don't screw this up.
>
> My checklist of stuff to do:
> Level up to 30

First several ascensions it is appropriate to over prepare. Go for it.

> Genocide L, disenchanter, green slime (already genocided master mind flayers)

Ditto.

> Blank/bless useless scrolls

After a over prepared marathon game I can end up doing that to rid my
game of problematic scrolls.

> Dilute useless potions and bless for holy water

There's a never ending need for more holy water if you use it regularly.
Occasionally for unholy water as well.

> attach candles

In spite of weight issues I prefer to do that at the vibrating square
not at any point before then.

> Pick up remaining K-rations from Ludios and bless

You use even more holy water than I do.

> Use cursed blank scrolls to nurse dance and get to ~400 hp, tin corpses

And/or alchemy to maximize hit points.

> Lay a pile of 20-30 cockatrice eggs

A ton of effort for a few powerful weapons.

> Use remaining 3 /oW charges for blessed figurine of a Ki-rin, saddle, magic marker

Riding in a first ascension? Unless you've been riding most of the
game, pass.

> Dump useless non-artifact weapons/armor and wands to get to unburdened

Number zero item to do. Start this move!

> Save last wish (magic lamp or smoky potions) for Ice Box
> fruit juice and fizzy potions for Ascension bar (I'm Mormon so no booze)

Corny ascension tricks on your first ascension? Okay.

> Anything else I need do? Charge up and eat rings of increase damage? I
> have almost all the good intrinsics (including disintegration
> resistance) except teleport control and poly control (I do have
> teleportitis from eating tengus).

At some point in the late game I no longer consider teleport control
optional.

> Zeprikalor the Champion St:25 Dx:16 Co:19 In:12 Wi:15 Ch:7 Lawful S:1863128
> Dlvl:17 $:122 HP:270(270) Pw:28(30) AC:-42 Xp:27/70013911 T:66252 Burdened

Worth repeating - Get unburdened this move.

> Weapons
> G - the blessed +7 Grayswandir
> H - a blessed +5 silver saber (alternate weapon; not wielded)

I hope the cut-n-paste missed the fact that you're currently wielding
Grayswandir. Nothing in your Quiver? Get some missiles.

> Rings

> J - a cursed ring of free action (on right hand)

I don't like to have any cursed items in the late game.

> m - 6 uncursed +0 elven daggers

Quiver these.

> o - the blessed rustproof +1 Excalibur

> r - the uncursed rustproof +0 Mjollnir
> a - the blessed rustproof +1 Sunsword

You likely have access to at least Demonbane at this point. I like
ascending with a lot of artifacts.

> o - 9 uncursed K-rations
> p - 7 K-rations
> q - a lembas wafer
> r - an uncursed partly eaten lizard corpse
> s - a lizard corpse

By the time you are at the vibrating square I don't think you'll want
more food items than these, but maybe leave the K-rations on level one
and have an assortment for the final climb.

> Gems ('*')

Artifacts are worth more by weight. Select these by value if you take
any.

> t - an uncursed stone called luckstone

Should be blessed and in open inventory. Or blessed and in the bag as a
backup.

[Janis Papanagnou]

On 23.07.2012 22:25, Doug Freyburger wrote:

> Prometheus77 wrote:
>
>> Weapons
>> G - the blessed +7 Grayswandir
>> H - a blessed +5 silver saber (alternate weapon; not wielded)
>

[...]

>
>> o - the blessed rustproof +1 Excalibur
>> r - the uncursed rustproof +0 Mjollnir
>> a - the blessed rustproof +1 Sunsword
>
> You likely have access to at least Demonbane at this point. I like
> ascending with a lot of artifacts.

Why, specifically, Demonbane?

Janis

[Janis Papanagnou]

Am 24.07.2012 09:28, schrieb Jukka Lahtinen:
> Doug Freyburger <dfre...@yahoo.com> writes:

>> Prometheus77 wrote:
>
>>> attach candles
>> In spite of weight issues I prefer to do that at the vibrating square
>> not at any point before then.
>

> Any particular reason or just personal taste?
> I don't remember reading about any reason NOT to attach them as soon as
> you have the Candelabrum.

Maybe if you need some light and don't want to use up all seven candles
in parallel?

>
>> At some point in the late game I no longer consider teleport control
>> optional.
>

> If you are not going to use teleportation other than for emergency
> exits, there's no real need for teleport control (unless, of course, you
> have the teleportitis intrinsic).

Of course there is an advantage during the home-run to teleport to the
upstairs quickly using those many teleportaton scrolls and the teleport
control intrinsic/extrinsic. Of course "need" is a strong term and
arguable, but I agree with Doug. (I occasionally even wished for that
ring if I hadn't got it at that point, and in the past I also ate The
Wizard's corpse to get that intrinsic.)

Janis

[Prometheus77]

YAAP!

Quick summary: I followed Janis' advice, except never was able to genocide L as I ended up never finding a single scroll of genocide and I somehow misplaced my wand of wishing with 2 charges plus a wrest intact. How do you misplace a wand of wishing? Maybe some nymph somewhere has it and is putting on her eyeliner with it...

Also, I had 4 stashes in the dungeon and for some reason couldn't find the stash with my candles in it, so I burned a magic lamp wishing for one candle. Got a last wish out of one of my smoky potions (quaffed 20 and got one wish...) and wasted it on a blessed figurine of an Archon (figuring I'd find that wand eventually). Should have opted for that scroll of genocide, because I had some nasty encounters with master liches and arch-liches on my way back up. Cockatrice corpses got me through several, but when I hit the Astral plane I had to resort to my sabers.

Alchemized and ended up getting over 400 hitpoints with blessed potions of healing. Didn't need it though, as I never dipped below 360. Then went down and killed Rodney with Vlad's wand of death, got the book of the dead, performed the invocation, and proceeded to nab the Amulet.

On the way up, I swear that between levels 35-41 I must have been "mysterious forced" back down about 20 times. It seems like it took forever to get back to the valley of the dead. When I finally did, I didn't encounter a single mysterious force for the rest of the way up. Rodney showed up three times plus the mandatory appearance at the plane of Earth. Each time, I hit him with Vlad's wand of death and instantly killed him.

When I got to Astral, I killed Famine and made my way to Odin's altar first. Then I killed Death and saw it was Loki's altar. I didn't want to risk facing Pestilence, so I put on my helm and changed to Chaotic, and #offered the Amulet to Loki. Hopefully Tyr wasn't too upset. To be honest, I was kind of miffed when he took away my telepathy and divine protection when I #prayed to Odin for unholy water to get that cursed unicorn horn. Plus several of his priests and angels tried to kill me in Astral. So he got what was coming to him.

All in all, I'm satisfied that I finally ascended! Here comes the points list:

Farvel Zeprikalor the Demigoddess...

You went to your reward with 5407346 points,
Mjollnir (worth 4000 zorkmids and 10000 points)
The Bell of Opening (worth 5000 zorkmids and 12500 points)
Grayswandir (worth 8000 zorkmids and 20000 points)
The Orb of Fate (worth 3500 zorkmids and 8750 points)
The Candelabrum of Invocation (worth 5000 zorkmids and 12500 points)
15 emeralds (worth 37500 zorkmids),
13 aquamarine stones (worth 19500 zorkmids),
12 jet stones (worth 10200 zorkmids),
12 fluorite stones (worth 4800 zorkmids),
11 amber stones (worth 11000 zorkmids),
10 chrysoberyl stones (worth 7000 zorkmids),
9 citrine stones (worth 13500 zorkmids),
8 rubies (worth 28000 zorkmids),
8 amethyst stones (worth 4800 zorkmids),
6 diamonds (worth 24000 zorkmids),
6 jasper stones (worth 3000 zorkmids),
6 obsidian stones (worth 1200 zorkmids),
6 jade stones (worth 1800 zorkmids),
5 jacinth stones (worth 16250 zorkmids),
5 sapphires (worth 15000 zorkmids),
5 black opals (worth 12500 zorkmids),
4 dilithium crystals (worth 18000 zorkmids),
4 turquoise stones (worth 8000 zorkmids),
4 opals (worth 3200 zorkmids),
2 garnet stones (worth 1400 zorkmids),
2 agate stones (worth 400 zorkmids),
1 topaz stone (worth 900 zorkmids),
4 amulets of life saving (worth 600 zorkmids),
1 amulet of unchanging (worth 150 zorkmids),
and 792 pieces of gold, after 75631 moves.
You were level 30 with a maximum of 497 hit points when you ascended.

[Prometheus77]

Full dumplog:

Zeprikalor, chaotic female dwarven Valkyrie




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Zeprikalor the Lady St:25 Dx:20 Co:20 In:16 Wi:16 Ch:16 Chaotic S:2550448
Astral Plane $:0 HP:492(497) Pw:43(43) AC:-25 Xp:30/100086139 T:75631 Burdened


Your inventory
Amulets
B - a cursed amulet of life saving (being worn)
Weapons
G - the blessed +7 Grayswandir (weapon in hand)
H - an uncursed +5 silver saber (wielded in other hand)
Armor
c - a cursed -1 helm of opposite alignment (being worn)

q - a blessed greased +6 elven leather helm

z - a blessed fireproof +4 pair of speed boots (being worn)
C - a blessed rustproof +5 pair of gauntlets of power (being worn)

I - an uncursed +5 Hawaiian shirt (being worn)
Q - a blessed fireproof +4 cloak of magic resistance (being worn)

Z - a blessed +5 silver dragon scale mail (being worn)
Comestibles

r - a cursed partly eaten lizard corpse
W - 11 uncursed K-rations
Rings
a - an uncursed ring of slow digestion
J - an uncursed ring of free action (on right hand)
R - a blessed ring of levitation (on left hand)
X - an uncursed ring of conflict
Wands
g - an uncursed wand of slow monster (0:6)
i - an uncursed wand of polymorph (0:7)
m - a cursed wand of cancellation (0:4)
n - an uncursed wand of digging (0:0)
y - an uncursed wand of lightning (0:3)
A - a blessed wand of digging (0:3)
E - an uncursed wand of teleportation (0:0)
F - an uncursed wand of death (0:2)
M - an uncursed wand of create monster (0:14)
N - an uncursed wand of teleportation (0:2)
S - an uncursed wand of digging (0:2)

Tools
b - a blessed greased bag of holding

e - the uncursed Bell of Opening (0:2)
k - a cursed skeleton key
l - a blessed oil lamp
s - a cursed stethoscope

t - an uncursed towel
u - a blessed +0 unicorn horn
w - an uncursed magic whistle

O - the blessed Orb of Fate (0:0)
T - the uncursed Candelabrum of Invocation (7 candles attached)
Gems
K - 2 uncursed agate stones

Contents of the bag of holding:

792 gold pieces

an uncursed amulet of life saving
an uncursed amulet of life saving
an uncursed amulet of life saving

an uncursed amulet of unchanging

an uncursed +0 bullwhip

an uncursed rustproof +3 halberd

the uncursed rustproof +0 Mjollnir

an uncursed burnt +0 pair of jumping boots

an uncursed +0 pair of water walking boots

20 uncursed K-rations
an uncursed lembas wafer
an uncursed lizard corpse
2 blessed tins of nurse meat
3 blessed tins of nurse meat
an uncursed scroll of scare monster

3 uncursed scrolls of create monster

an uncursed scroll of create monster
2 uncursed scrolls of magic mapping
2 uncursed scrolls of remove curse

3 uncursed scrolls of stinking cloud

an uncursed scroll of blank paper
2 potions of holy water
2 potions of unholy water
a blessed ring of polymorph control

an uncursed ring of free action

a cursed ring of invisibility

an uncursed ring of polymorph

an uncursed wand of create monster (0:8)
an uncursed wand of create monster (0:14)
an uncursed wand of create monster (0:13)
an uncursed wand of digging (0:6)
an uncursed wand of digging (0:6)
an uncursed wand of digging (0:4)
an uncursed wand of digging (0:8)
an uncursed wand of digging (0:4)
an uncursed wand of digging (0:3)

an uncursed wand of fire (0:4)

an uncursed wand of fire (0:1)

an uncursed wand of fire (0:6)
an uncursed wand of fire (0:6)
an uncursed wand of lightning (0:1)

a cursed wand of lightning (0:8)

an uncursed wand of magic missile (0:4)
an uncursed wand of probing (0:5)
an uncursed wand of sleep (0:6)
an uncursed wand of slow monster (0:7)
an uncursed wand of speed monster (0:6)
an uncursed wand of speed monster (0:5)

an uncursed wand of teleportation (0:2)

an uncursed wand of teleportation (0:0)
an uncursed wand of teleportation (0:7)
an uncursed wand of teleportation (0:6)
an uncursed wand of teleportation (0:5)
an uncursed wand of teleportation (0:8)

an uncursed can of grease (0:1)

an uncursed frost horn (0:7)

a blessed horn of plenty (0:18)

an uncursed magic flute (0:6)

an uncursed magic marker (1:15)

an uncursed +0 pick-axe
a blessed tinning kit (0:39)
a cursed +0 unicorn horn
8 uncursed amber stones
3 uncursed amber stones
8 uncursed amethyst stones
10 uncursed aquamarine stones
3 uncursed aquamarine stones
5 uncursed black opals
5 uncursed chrysoberyl stones
5 uncursed chrysoberyl stones
8 uncursed citrine stones
an uncursed citrine stone
6 uncursed diamonds
an uncursed dilithium crystal
3 uncursed dilithium crystals
12 uncursed emeralds
3 uncursed emeralds
8 uncursed fluorite stones
4 uncursed fluorite stones
an uncursed garnet stone
an uncursed garnet stone
4 uncursed jacinth stones
an uncursed jacinth stone
6 uncursed jade stones
an uncursed jasper stone
5 uncursed jasper stones
12 uncursed jet stones
6 uncursed obsidian stones
an uncursed opal
3 uncursed opals
7 uncursed rubies
an uncursed ruby
5 uncursed sapphires
an uncursed luckstone
an uncursed topaz stone
2 blessed touchstones
3 uncursed turquoise stones
an uncursed turquoise stone

Final attributes
You were piously aligned
Your alignment was 388
You were fire resistant
You were cold resistant
You were sleep resistant
You were disintegration-resistant
You were shock resistant
You were poison resistant
You were magic-protected
You resisted hallucinations
You saw invisible
You were telepathic
You were warned
You had infravision
You were invisible to others
You were stealthy
You could teleport
You had teleport control
You were levitating
You were protected
You were very fast
You had reflection
You had free action
Your life would have been saved
You were wielding two weapons at once
You were extremely lucky (13)
You had extra luck
Good luck did not time out for you
You survived

Spells known in the end
Name Level Category Fail
a - fireball 4* attack 100%
b - magic missile 2* attack 100%
c - cone of cold 4* attack 100%
d - force bolt 1* attack 100%
e - polymorph 6* matter 100%
f - identify 3* divination 100%
g - jumping 1* escape 100%
h - detect food 2* divination 100%
i - knock 1* matter 100%
j - charm monster 3* enchantment 100%
k - turn undead 6* clerical 100%
l - detect monsters 1* divination 100%
m - magic mapping 5* divination 100%
n - cure blindness 2* healing 100%
o - create monster 2* clerical 100%
p - protection 1* clerical 100%
q - haste self 3* escape 100%
r - invisibility 4 escape 100%
s - restore ability 4 healing 100%

Vanquished creatures
Asmodeus
Baalzebub
Orcus
Yeenoghu
Juiblex
The Wizard of Yendor (thrice)
Death
Famine (thrice)
5 arch-liches (4 created)
a high priest (4 created)
3 mastodons (4 created)
Medusa
Croesus
7 krakens (17 created)
2 Archons (6 created)
6 iron golems (9 created)
4 master liches
10 storm giants
a titan (4 created)
5 glass golems (7 created)
5 balrogs (6 created)
9 purple worms (15 created)
3 silver dragons
12 red dragons (17 created)
10 white dragons (13 created)
5 orange dragons (6 created)
6 black dragons (8 created)
11 blue dragons (14 created)
8 green dragons (9 created)
11 yellow dragons
18 minotaurs (26 created)
6 jabberwocks (10 created)
Lord Surtur
15 baluchitheria (18 created)
6 Angels (27 created)
10 demiliches (9 created)
Vlad the Impaler
11 stone golems (15 created)
11 Olog-hai (9 created)
6 Nazguls (8 created)
11 pit fiends (18 created)
3 sandestins (4 created)
4 hell hounds (12 created)
2 titanotheres (8 created)
11 trappers (16 created)
a baby gray dragon
a baby white dragon
6 disenchanters (8 created)
31 vampire lords (38 created)
5 skeletons
4 shopkeepers (8 created)
The Oracle
15 aligned priests (42 created)
11 captains (10 created)
6 shades
9 liches (13 created)
2 clay golems (3 created)
17 nurses (19 created)
14 ice devils (16 created)
3 nalfeshnees (4 created)
15 lurkers above (19 created)
an Aleax (6 created)
4 frost giants (8 created)
10 ettins (13 created)
2 golden nagas
9 black puddings (8 created)
31 vampires (33 created)
17 lieutenants (18 created)
a watch captain
38 ghosts (49 created)
a cavewoman
a queen bee
6 winged gargoyles (7 created)
7 mind flayers (8 created)
17 giant mimics (22 created)
13 zruties (15 created)
30 fire giants (41 created)
15 ogre kings (16 created)
6 ice trolls (3 created)
41 rock trolls (27 created)
9 umber hulks (11 created)
8 flesh golems (10 created)
8 Elvenkings (11 created)
7 doppelgangers (8 created)
15 hezrous (18 created)
12 bone devils (18 created)
13 large mimics (17 created)
4 wumpuses
7 fire vortices (13 created)
10 long worms (12 created)
5 couatls (14 created)
26 stalkers (32 created)
19 air elementals
12 fire elementals (30 created)
20 earth elementals (42 created)
12 water elementals (30 created)
17 hill giants
11 giant mummies (17 created)
2 black nagas (4 created)
10 xorns (13 created)
17 giant zombies (21 created)
20 elf-lords (22 created)
22 sergeants (30 created)
2 water demons
7 barbed devils (11 created)
17 vrocks
28 wargs (32 created)
5 winter wolves
9 hell hound pups (18 created)
19 small mimics (27 created)
3 glass piercers (5 created)
12 warhorses (13 created)
8 steam vortices (12 created)
25 xans (28 created)
6 ettin mummies (8 created)
15 ogre lords (21 created)
12 quantum mechanics (16 created)
48 trolls (24 created)
4 wood golems
an erinys (2 created)
2 mariliths (7 created)
a djinni (6 created)
6 sharks (8 created)
6 electric eels (14 created)
7 gelatinous cubes (8 created)
6 pyrolisks
7 large dogs (8 created)
6 freezing spheres
17 flaming spheres (18 created)
11 shocking spheres (12 created)
2 large cats (8 created)
11 tigers (15 created)
10 gargoyles (18 created)
2 dwarf kings (6 created)
9 tengu
14 ochre jellies (15 created)
13 leocrottas (17 created)
11 energy vortices (13 created)
8 mountain centaurs (12 created)
10 stone giants (17 created)
6 elf mummies
9 human mummies
11 red nagas (12 created)
9 green slimes (10 created)
10 pit vipers (14 created)
5 pythons
14 cobras (17 created)
45 wraiths (59 created)
7 carnivorous apes (9 created)
25 ettin zombies (26 created)
8 leather golems
11 Grey-elves (13 created)
121 soldiers
3 watchmen (4 created)
5 horned devils
7 succubi (8 created)
9 incubi
6 chameleons (9 created)
8 crocodiles (9 created)
41 giant beetles (67 created)
12 quivering blobs (13 created)
34 cockatrices (40 created)
18 wolves (24 created)
13 winter wolf cubs
5 lynxes
4 panthers
71 gremlins (21 created)
3 spotted jellies
31 leprechauns (34 created)
12 orc-captains (13 created)
8 iron piercers (10 created)
5 mumakil (6 created)
18 giant spiders (19 created)
8 scorpions (12 created)
9 horses (11 created)
4 ice vortices (3 created)
14 black lights (15 created)
15 vampire bats (17 created)
15 forest centaurs (17 created)
3 gnome kings (8 created)
3 orc mummies
3 dwarf mummies
8 ogres
3 brown puddings (5 created)
14 rust monsters (17 created)
15 owlbears (17 created)
6 yetis (7 created)
4 gold golems
3 werewolves
23 Green-elves
4 piranhas (6 created)
15 giant eels (22 created)
37 lizards (39 created)
13 chickatrices
2 dogs (4 created)
2 dingos
2 housecats
11 jaguars (12 created)
2 dwarf lords (7 created)
8 blue jellies (10 created)
6 gray unicorns
4 black unicorns
16 dust vortices (18 created)
6 ravens (7 created)
13 plains centaurs
7 gnome mummies
9 snakes
6 water moccasins
15 apes
33 human zombies (39 created)
4 rope golems
16 Woodland-elves (20 created)
34 soldier ants (38 created)
93 fire ants (109 created)
43 bugbears (44 created)
9 imps
3 lemures
9 quasits
13 wood nymphs (14 created)
11 water nymphs (13 created)
9 mountain nymphs
23 Mordor orcs (25 created)
36 Uruk-hai (37 created)
9 orc shamans (8 created)
11 rock piercers (14 created)
9 rock moles
4 ponies (5 created)
8 fog clouds (15 created)
24 yellow lights (26 created)
4 shriekers
6 violet fungi (7 created)
23 gnome lords (38 created)
7 gnomish wizards (15 created)
7 kobold mummies
2 red naga hatchlings
3 black naga hatchlings
11 gray oozes (12 created)
6 barrow wights
12 elf zombies (15 created)
22 ghouls (24 created)
5 straw golems
5 paper golems (6 created)
6 jellyfish (9 created)
42 giant ants (67 created)
2 little dogs
17 floating eyes (19 created)
a kitten (2 created)
8 dwarves (14 created)
4 homunculi
6 kobold lords
5 kobold shamans (6 created)
71 hill orcs (72 created)
30 rothes
7 centipedes
8 giant bats
7 monkeys (6 created)
16 orc zombies (19 created)
13 dwarf zombies (16 created)
2 wererats
3 werejackals
10 iguanas
93 killer bees (103 created)
6 acid blobs
2 coyotes
3 gas spores (4 created)
6 hobbits (10 created)
17 manes
4 large kobolds
52 hobgoblins (53 created)
6 giant rats
17 cave spiders
3 brown molds
4 yellow molds
2 green molds
3 red molds
38 gnomes (80 created)
24 garter snakes
19 gnome zombies (24 created)
14 geckos
11 jackals
a fox
a kobold
10 goblins (11 created)
9 sewer rats (10 created)
12 grid bugs (15 created)
8 bats
12 lichens (13 created)
17 kobold zombies (23 created)
9 newts
3408 creatures vanquished.

Voluntary challenges
You genocided 1 type of monster
You never polymorphed an object
You changed form 4 times
You used 15 wishes

Your skills at the end
Fighting Skills
two weapon combat [Skilled]
riding [Basic]
Weapon Skills
dagger [Basic]
pick-axe [Basic]
long sword [Expert]
saber [Basic]
hammer [Skilled]
polearms [Skilled]
Spellcasting Skills
(none)

Latest messages
The giant ant misses.
The giant beetle bites!
The giant beetle misses.
The frost giant throws a boulder!
The boulder hits the giant ant!
The killer bee misses.
The giant ant misses.
You finish your dressing maneuver.
Your mind oscillates briefly.
#
What do you want to sacrifice? [fr or ?*]
Never mind.
There is an altar to Loki (chaotic) here.
#
What do you want to sacrifice? [fr or ?*]
You offer the Amulet of Yendor to Loki...
An invisible choir sings, and you are bathed in radiance...
The voice of Loki booms: "Congratulations, mortal!"
"In return for thy service, I grant thee the gift of Immortality!"
You ascend to the status of Demigoddess...

Killer: ascended

You were level 30 with a maximum of 497 hit points when you ascended.

You reached the 165th place on the top 2000 list.

No Points Name Hp [max]
1 2147483647 Berry-Wiz-Elf-Mal-Neu ascended to demigod-hood. 103195 [103803]
2 2147483647 Berry-Kni-Hum-Fem-Law ascended to demigoddess-hood. 4427 [8770]
3 2147483647 Berry-Rog-Orc-Mal-Neu ascended to demigod-hood. 3628 [3628]

*165 5407346 Zeprikalor-Val-Dwa-Fem-Cha ascended to
demigoddess-hood. 492 [497]

[Doug Freyburger]

Jukka Lahtinen wrote:
> Doug Freyburger <dfre...@yahoo.com> writes:
>> Prometheus77 wrote:
>

>>> attach candles
>
>> In spite of weight issues I prefer to do that at the vibrating square
>> not at any point before then.
>

> Any particular reason or just personal taste?
> I don't remember reading about any reason NOT to attach them as soon as
> you have the Candelabrum.

Paranoia. I've burned candles for light and they eventually
dissappeared.

>> At some point in the late game I no longer consider teleport control
>> optional.
>

> If you are not going to use teleportation other than for emergency
> exits, there's no real need for teleport control (unless, of course, you
> have the teleportitis intrinsic).

To me the need is to clear a ring finger. I'll want free action, slow
digestion and at times conflict.

[Doug Freyburger]

Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>> Prometheus77 wrote:
>
>>> Weapons
>>> G - the blessed +7 Grayswandir

>>> o - the blessed rustproof +1 Excalibur
>>> r - the uncursed rustproof +0 Mjollnir
>>> a - the blessed rustproof +1 Sunsword
>
>> You likely have access to at least Demonbane at this point. I like
>> ascending with a lot of artifacts.
>
> Why, specifically, Demonbane?

In particular without using a wish. There are two chaotic artifact
weapons that are easy for any player to acquire in the early game
whether they are chaotic or not. There are two lawful artifact weapons
that are easy for any player to acquire in the late phase of a marathon
game whether they are lawful or not. I've ended up with all four in
several very long games.

There is a class of monsters who are generated with either Demonbane or
Sunsword if they do not already exist in a game. One species has a 5%
chance of an attempt to convert it's initial weapon to one of them. The
other species has a 100% chance of trying to convret it's initial weapon
to one of them. In a marathon game of over preparation there's plenty
of time to spawn and kill those monsters even if they are peacefulls.

[Jorgen Grahn]

On Sat, 2012-07-21, Prometheus77 wrote:
[someone wrote:]

>> [OT] Curious; if you&#39;re a Mormon, are you restricted drinking &quot;binary&quot; booze
>> in computer games as well by your religion? (Or is it just similar to the
>> issue of killing Izchak, dignity or something like that?)

...

> On that note, I thought through what a "Mormon" conduct would include:

> - Law of Chastity: Get "married" before consorting with a foocubus.

You'd still be marrying a demon; even atheists find that hard to
swallow.

On the other hand, I've come to accept that Nethack player characters
are not Nice People. They have no friends and no hobbies. They kill
cute animals, and often walk around in public with no trousers. And so
on.

/Jorgen

--
// Jorgen Grahn <grahn@ Oo o. . .
\X/ snipabacken.se> O o .

[Jorgen Grahn]

On Tue, 2012-07-24, Prometheus77 wrote:
> YAAP!

> How do you misplace a wand of wishing? Maybe some nymph
> somewhere has it and is putting on her eyeliner with it...

;-)

> ... Then went down and killed Rodney with Vlad's wand of death

Vlad is a wimp -- no need to use up want changes on him.

> On the way up, I swear that between levels 35-41 I must have been
> "mysterious forced" back down about 20 times. It seems like it took
> forever to get back to the valley of the dead.

Yes, there are times when you can swear you'll go further and further
down the more you try to ascend ...

[G-Mon]

On 26 Jul 2012, Jorgen Grahn <grahn...@snipabacken.se> wrote in
news:slrnk12lqc.p...@frailea.sa.invalid:

> On Tue, 2012-07-24, Prometheus77 wrote:
>> ... Then went down and killed Rodney with Vlad's wand of death
>
> Vlad is a wimp -- no need to use up want changes on him.

Vlad is also immune to death rays, being undead. Of course, the OP said
that he zapped *Rodney* using a /oDeath that Vlad *dropped*.
--
ATTENTION:

Our trolls are kept on a very strict diet.
Please do not feed them.

The Management,
REC.GAMES.ROGUELIKE.NETHACK TREASURE ZOO

[Jorgen Grahn]

On Thu, 2012-07-26, G-Mon wrote:
> On 26 Jul 2012, Jorgen Grahn <grahn...@snipabacken.se> wrote in
> news:slrnk12lqc.p...@frailea.sa.invalid:
>
>> On Tue, 2012-07-24, Prometheus77 wrote:
>>> ... Then went down and killed Rodney with Vlad's wand of death
>>
>> Vlad is a wimp -- no need to use up want changes on him.
>
> Vlad is also immune to death rays, being undead. Of course, the OP said
> that he zapped *Rodney* using a /oDeath that Vlad *dropped*.

Right -- I see that now. At the time, I could have sworn I read
"killed Rodney and Vlad with a wand of death". Funny how the mind
works -- or doesn't.

[Jonadab the Unsightly One]

On Jul 26, 10:01 am, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+n...@snipabacken.se> wrote:
> You'd still be marrying a demon; even atheists find that hard to
> swallow.

Indeed, I would've said the Chaste conduct would mean absolutely no
melee contact with nymphs or foocubi. Which would admittedly be
difficult to pull off, especially in the early game, as nymphs are
relatively fast and can be hard to kill if you don't have any good
attack wands yet.

[Janis Papanagnou]

Am 27.07.2012 10:26, schrieb Jonadab the Unsightly One:
>
> Indeed, I would've said the Chaste conduct would mean absolutely no
> melee contact with nymphs or foocubi. Which would admittedly be
> difficult to pull off, especially in the early game, as nymphs are
> relatively fast and can be hard to kill if you don't have any good
> attack wands yet.

Don't wake them up in the first place.

Janis

[G-Mon]

On 27 Jul 2012, Janis Papanagnou <janis_pa...@hotmail.com> wrote
in news:jutk8r$fcn$1...@speranza.aioe.org:

Main problem with that is there are some situations where you just
can't avoid waking them up (e.g. no downstairs in the areas of a level
you can reach, and all the doors leading to other areas are locked
without a way to unlock them quietly). Then, of course, your pet can
attack one and wake her up before you're ready to deal with her--this
is all but unavoidable if you have no leash or magic whistle,
espacially if the nymph's in an area you have to pass through (e.g. the
same room as the stairs you need to use).

[Jonadab the Unsightly One]

On Jul 27, 6:48 am, "G-Mon" <gmon5...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> > Don't wake [nymphs] up in the first place.

>
> Main problem with that is there are some situations
> where you just can't avoid waking them up

I must be doing something wrong, because I thought nymphs
were normally generated awake (except in special situations,
such as treasure zoos).

[Janis Papanagnou]

Am 27.07.2012 12:48, schrieb G-Mon:
> On 27 Jul 2012, Janis Papanagnou <janis_pa...@hotmail.com> wrote
> in news:jutk8r$fcn$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
>
>> Am 27.07.2012 10:26, schrieb Jonadab the Unsightly One:
>>>
>>> Indeed, I would've said the Chaste conduct would mean absolutely no
>>> melee contact with nymphs or foocubi. Which would admittedly be
>>> difficult to pull off, especially in the early game, as nymphs are
>>> relatively fast and can be hard to kill if you don't have any good
>>> attack wands yet.
>>
>> Don't wake them up in the first place.
>

> Main problem with that is there are some situations where you just
> can't avoid waking them up (e.g. no downstairs in the areas of a level
> you can reach, and all the doors leading to other areas are locked
> without a way to unlock them quietly). Then, of course, your pet can
> attack one and wake her up before you're ready to deal with her--this
> is all but unavoidable if you have no leash or magic whistle,
> espacially if the nymph's in an area you have to pass through (e.g. the
> same room as the stairs you need to use).

I see many people playing careless; kicking doors and chest open, and
similar apparently bad behaviour. Of course it can happen that the RNG
will leave you locked in some area, with no pick-axe, wand, key, etc.,
and at least one nymph on that level.
But those are just specific situations that makes the general rule not
void. I suggest to not make noise, not wakeup nymphs, not let your pets
come close to nymphs unless they can kill them - you can also dance
around pet and nymph until she's dead -, not do things that give you
the aggravate monsters property (quite unavoidable in the late game).

Janis

[Ralf Damaschke]

Jukka Lahtinen <jtfj...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:

> Jonadab the Unsightly One <jonadab.the...@gmail.com>

> writes:
>
>> I must be doing something wrong, because I thought nymphs
>> were normally generated awake (except in special situations,
>

> Your pet may wake them up. Or you may make some noise that wakes
> them up (kicking doors or boxes nearby, for example). Or maybe
> you have thrown darts or zapping wands at them without noticing
> that they were asleep before that.

Or you are not stealthy and - with some bad (RNG) luck - either
enter a court, zoo (or ...) or stand in line of sight with her.

-- Ralf

[Doug Freyburger]

Jonadab the Unsightly One wrote:
> "G-Mon" <gmon5...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>> Janis Papanagnou <janis_pa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Don't wake [nymphs] up in the first place.
>
>> Main problem with that is there are some situations
>> where you just can't avoid waking them up
>
> I must be doing something wrong, because I thought nymphs
> were normally generated awake (except in special situations,
> such as treasure zoos).

It took me a very long time before I learned to play where I often
encountered nymphs still asleep. Far more than just not kicking down
doors until you have explored as much of the level as possible.

I eventually figured out that my pet was exploring levels separately
from me and attacking sleeping nymphs. There's an art to moving
through corridors with your pet behind you so yuo lead the exploration
but moving through rooms with your pet ahead of you so they thin the
crowds and kill about as many monsters as you do to balance
advancement between you and yout pet.

Now I enter a room, move to where I can fire on the nymph, start the
barrage, kill her as she moves towards me. Does not work every time but
it sure works much better than having no idea where my pet went and
suddenly a nymph emerges from a corridor two squares away. Which is
what happened to me all the time when I was a newer player.

In fact I originally learned the idea in games where I lost my pet to
the watch captain's long sword in mine town so I just started exploring
on my own. Huh, without a pet I found all sorts of sleeping nymphs.
Which cycles me back to the art of leading in a corridor, following in a
room.

[Irina Rempt]

Doug Freyburger wrote:

> Paranoia. I've burned candles for light and they eventually
> dissappeared.

Don't do that, then. Attach 7 candles to the candelabrum as soon as
possible, and then you can use any other candles for light. They do burn up,
true.

Raisse, killed by burning scrolls

--
Status of Raisse (piously neutral): Level 8 HP 63(67) AC -3, fast.
LegoHack: http://www.valdyas.org/irina/stuff/legohack/

[Jonadab the Unsightly One]

On Jul 27, 8:53 am, Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanag...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

[nymphs]
> I see many people playing carelessly: kicking doors and

> chest open, and similar apparently bad behaviour. Of course
> it can happen that the RNG will leave you locked in some
> area, with no pick-axe, wand, key, etc., and at least one
> nymph on that level.

In the very early game you have to kick doors, until you
get an unlocking device (or, I suppose, a pick-axe, but
unlocking devices are more common, especially if you
haven't been into the Mines yet). I try to avoid kicking
doors down when possible, for several reasons (not
least, because I'm paranoid that it could be a shop),
but in a typical game I generally have to kick down a
dozen or so doors before I find an unlocking device --
except when playing as a role that starts with one,
e.g., a Tourist.

I was not aware that a chest could be opened by
kicking. Does forcing a chest with a junk weapon
(e.g., orcish dagger) wake nymphs? I often do
that if I don't have a key or lock pick yet.

Maybe my pets are waking them. I do tend to
try to keep a pet when possible in the early game.

[Jorgen Grahn]

On Sun, 2012-07-29, Jonadab the Unsightly One wrote:
> On Jul 27, 8:53 am, Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanag...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> [nymphs]
>> I see many people playing carelessly: kicking doors and
>> chest open, and similar apparently bad behaviour. Of course
>> it can happen that the RNG will leave you locked in some
>> area, with no pick-axe, wand, key, etc., and at least one
>> nymph on that level.
>

...

> I try to avoid kicking
> doors down when possible, for several reasons

I tend to kick doors a lot, and I think it's a valid way to play.

One thing that makes me do it less now is it's quite useful to close
doors to prevent your pet from wandering, and from killing and eating
potentially useful monsters.

[Doug Freyburger]

Jonadab the Unsightly One wrote:
>

> Does forcing a chest with a junk weapon
> (e.g., orcish dagger) wake nymphs? I often do
> that if I don't have a key or lock pick yet.

That's the quiet way.

> Maybe my pets are waking them. I do tend to
> try to keep a pet when possible in the early game.

It's very likely if you lose sight of your pet for any length of time.

[Prometheus77]

Now that I'm playing early game characters and trying new roles (currently playing Slash'EM and doing quite well with a droven Necromancer), I'm realizing just how frustrating nymphs can be. When I only played Valkyries, it was never hard to cut them to ribbons. With weaker fighters, they're a real pain. My most frustrating experience was a knight who got an early wand of death, only to have a nymph steal it and zap me with it around level 9. I was playing another promising game a few days later, when I came across the bones:

ME: Hmm, four dead green elf corpses. I wonder if this level is a bones level?
NETHACK: You hear a nearby zap. The death ray hits you. You die... DYWYPI?
ME: (CENSORED)

[mmart...@gmail.com]

First I want to apologize for not quoting whom I am responding to - I'm nearing a semi-ripe old 30 years of age and have no clue how to do that (i'm typing on a mobile phone if that matters).

OP, welcome to demi-godhood! For future reference, with multiple slashem ascensions and a nethack ascension under my belt, I feel qualified to add some principle based advice on ascension runs.

First and foremost, being and staying unburdened is key! Secondly, you should have at least one reusable response/defense against any instadeath or threat that is likely to occur. In slashem, I frequently use ki-rin for the ascension run because of the new monster spell "create pool", but it is indeed unecessary in vanilla. Third principle is to save those wishes, and not the one you need to spend 120 turns wresting from the wand! The game can throw a curve at any moment - that wish is your wild card. Fourth principle - have an uber pet. IMO, an archon/solar can be better than an amulet of lifesaving because it works when you are paralyzed, stunned, asleep, immobile, distracted, can be used proactively and reactively, protects you automatically, and does it more than once. Fifth principle (abundantly discussed already) is dump the junk! Sixth, anything that is a threat to your BoH should be treated as if it can cause instadeath, because it ends the game just as quickly. Seventh principle is that the longer it takes you to ascend, the more likely it is that you wont. I prepare shortcuts through all the maze levels before hand, and save about 6-10 wands of digging for getting around any threats, hordes, or unnecessarily convoluted corridor wrap arounds on the way up. There are others that I may not have thought to mention, but I feel that these are the basics. Again, congrats!

[mmart...@gmail.com]

[Klaus Kassner]

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29.07.2012 23:57. Jonadab the Unsightly One wrote (schrieb, a écrit):
> On Jul 27, 8:53 am, Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanag...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:

> I was not aware that a chest could be opened by
> kicking.

It can. But you may destroy breakable items inside, before it gets open
("You hear a muffled shatter."), so breaking the lock by kicking is not
very advisable. Sometimes, it may be your only choice to get at the
(non-breakable) contents.

[Janis Papanagnou]

Just use a non-cursed dagger to #force the lock.
(Should always be possible even in the early game.)

Janis