Nethack for Palm?
xxx
there's IRogue, but I'd like to get a Nethack.
-thx-
David B. Thomas
been eyeing palm computers with nethack in mind. They're just
starting to be powerful enough to make a port of nethack seem
possible. That would definitely be a great way to play!
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Gary D. Young
Actually, I would be interested in teaming up with someone else who
might be interested in attempting a port. I suppose I'd need a Palm
V or VII to do it though, since Nethack and its playground are rather
large compared to other Palm applications.
Anyone who's interested, please let me know.
Gary D. Young
Source Diver
M. Erickson
: Aww man, put me down for a metoo. For the past several years I've
: been eyeing palm computers with nethack in mind. They're just
: starting to be powerful enough to make a port of nethack seem
: possible. That would definitely be a great way to play!
Heck, they have been powerful enough for years! Nethack isn't
exactly a resource hog...
If I had nethack on my palm, I'm sure I'd never stop playing.
/me
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<ljd28sk7lc3rcere9...@4ax.com>,
xxx <x...@xxx.com> wrote:
> Anyone know if there's a port for Palm or Visor
out there? I saw that
> there's IRogue, but I'd like to get a Nethack.
>
> -thx-
>
There is a great Nethack like program for a palm
pilot (I use it on my Visor)Its called Pocket
Rouge, its called Pocket Rouge but it is
remarkably like Nethack. IRogue was not a
favorite of mine because you couldn't use the
buttons on the bottom of the screen, with Pocket
Rouge you can use the buttons for everything.
Best of all Pocket Rouge is freeware, I can get
the web site again, just E-Mail me.
Dand...@aol.com
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A.S. Korra'ti
There is actually a Nethack port to Windows CE, but:
1) It was done on version 3.2, and
2) It's fairly buggy. I have been in fact playing with this thing myself
on my own palmtop computer (I have a Velo 500 running Windows CE 2.0),
and have been in communication with the author about the bugs.
The author has advised me that he has been unable to further develop the
port because his own palmtop device is broken. However, details can be
found at this URL:
http://atp.fi/~jhaakana/nethackce.html
Cheers,
Anna, killed by a yellow dragon in Fort Ludios
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Dando888
palms, it takes up hardly any space and you can use the buttons on the bottom
of the palm, unlike Irouge. Its great. It is exactly like Nethack, even though
the name is Pocket Rouge. You should do a search if you are interested. I could
also find the web site adress, just Email me. Dand...@aol.com.
David B. Thomas
Gary> Actually, I would be interested in teaming up with someone
Gary> else who might be interested in attempting a port.
I'd be very interested in participating. The only problem is, at the
moment, I don't own a palmtop.
I wouldn't mind shelling out some money for one, but I'd need some
guidance since I honestly have no idea what's out there. Is there an
immensely popular palmtop that also has enough computing resources to
do nethack justice? Are good development tools available?
Gary D. Young
> >>>>> "Gary" == Gary D Young <gdy...@us.oracle.com> writes:
> Gary> Actually, I would be interested in teaming up with someone
> Gary> else who might be interested in attempting a port.
>
> I'd be very interested in participating. The only problem is, at the
> moment, I don't own a palmtop.
I suppose that's a valid concern. I'm thinking that if it's done, it
should be done right from the beginning. And that means attempting to
support the entire game and its playground in memory, which would
eliminate the normal Palm IIIs (2Mb of memory) and probably end up
being a strain on the enhanced Palm IIIs (4mb). The PalmVs, last I
recall, had 4Mb, and the Palm VIIs had 4 or 8. Anyone is free to
correct me on this one, since I really don't know the specifics.
So if we're going the 3com route, it'd require one of their more
expensive models. Now, the question remains: Palm or CE? My opinion
is that CE will die out. (It's already on the wane.) And that some
Palm descendant will end up in the "communications utility" which
will be a cell phone/Palm combined. Will this beast be using PalmOS
though? I.e. will our port be out of date within 1 or 2 years? I'm
really not sure. Perhaps we should hold off until things are made
clear.
> I wouldn't mind shelling out some money for one, but I'd need some
> guidance since I honestly have no idea what's out there. Is there an
> immensely popular palmtop that also has enough computing resources to
> do nethack justice? Are good development tools available?
As I recall, there's a kit that lets you do Palm development in linux.
So that means that there are decent tools, yes. There's also supposed
to be similar ones for Windows, so as long as you're comfortable with
M$ VisC, there's that option as well.
> David
Even though I'm willing to assist, the fact that a CE port exists
makes Mr. Lazy want to just go make use of someone else's work for a
while. There was a really cool map program that I saw on Palm that
lets you scroll the screen around by dragging the pen, and I think
that kind of technology would work nicely for making the viewing
surface limitations bearable. Some of the bottom line and top line
should remain fixed, though.... I think the project is doable, but
without experience in Palm programming, I'm not sure whether the
tools are advanced enough to make it simple. I also have a vague
recollection of hearing that Palm was a 16 bit platform, which could
cause some difficulties.
Thoughts?
Gary D. Young
Inept Source Diver (see index of my other posts today.)
Snibor Eoj
> >>>>> "Gary" == Gary D Young <gdy...@us.oracle.com> writes:
>
> Gary> Actually, I would be interested in teaming up with someone
> Gary> else who might be interested in attempting a port.
>
> I'd be very interested in participating. The only problem is, at the
> moment, I don't own a palmtop.
>
> I wouldn't mind shelling out some money for one, but I'd need some
> guidance since I honestly have no idea what's out there. Is there an
> immensely popular palmtop that also has enough computing resources to
> do nethack justice? Are good development tools available?
I might be interested in participating as well; it'd be nice to have a
pet programming project... I've only recently begun source-diving in
nethack, but I'm starting to get the feel of it.
Meanwhile, though, I'll also note that you don't actually have to have a
Palm device to develop for it; Palm has freely available, on their web
page, a program called POSE, the Palm OS Emulator, for both Windoze and
Macintosh. I haven't actually used it myself (I've been lazy), but I've
heard that it works quite well, so you could do all your development and
testing there before releasing to the Palm OS.
Alas, though, my own Palm V has only 2 MB of memory, not the 8 MB that the
newer ones come with, so I don't know whether nethack would fit on it,
anyway...
-Snibor Eoj
M. Erickson
: guidance since I honestly have no idea what's out there. Is there an
: immensely popular palmtop that also has enough computing resources to
: do nethack justice? Are good development tools available?
$249 - Visor Deluxe. www.handspring.com
it's essentially a Palm III w/ 8mb and handspring's own expansion
port so you can plug in hardware (mp3 player is coming!) I just bought
one in the 'ice' color, and have loved it so far. If you are down to
spend more though, check out the Palm V.
Tommi Raulahti
To save time, I'll post the url here (for Pocket Rogue):
http://home8.highway.ne.jp/~tota/html/palmware/
There is also full source for it. Current (latest) version is
0.92 (released 24/08/99).
Worth of downloading for all PalmPilot owners.
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Thomas P Ulrick
it's not nethack. As the name implys, it's just a port of rouge.
But, it does help with my Nethack fixation ;)
Dando888 <dand...@aol.com> wrote:
> I recently downloaded a freeware program called Pocket Rouge, it works on all
> palms, it takes up hardly any space and you can use the buttons on the bottom
> of the palm, unlike Irouge. Its great. It is exactly like Nethack, even though
> the name is Pocket Rouge. You should do a search if you are interested. I could
> also find the web site adress, just Email me. Dand...@aol.com.
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Antonio Requejo
In fact, I'm basically looking for a Palm version of Nethack just to
"justify" myself the purchase of a Palm Vx (8 megs, about $400-$450)
I have some (much I gess info) about Palm development, including some
DevEnvironments, docs and so on. I guess that it would be possible work
with the emulator... In fact, in the R&D project I'm currently involved,
people that develop on Palm (to use it as access terminal to advanced
telecomm services, along smart cards) uses the emulator on PC and then
moves the code to the real Palm...
Emulator rocks...
About the Visor, I just looked at it and think it is not better that
Palm but cheaper. It is not flash upgradeable (uses PalmOS 3.1), no
rechargeable batteries and not sold out of the States...
:(
Antonio
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>I wouldn't mind shelling out some money for one, but I'd need some
>guidance since I honestly have no idea what's out there. Is there an
>immensely popular palmtop that also has enough computing resources to
>do nethack justice? Are good development tools available?
It's a complete and utter pain to get one in the USA, but the correct
palmtop for the discerning NetHack player is the British Psion Series 5
(or 5mx?). Unlike the Palm, it has a keyboard (as palmtops go, its
keyboard is absolutely brilliant); unlike other keyboardful machines, it
doesn't run Windows.
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Snibor Eoj
<gdy...@us.oracle.com> wrote:
> I suppose that's a valid concern. I'm thinking that if it's done, it
> should be done right from the beginning. And that means attempting to
> support the entire game and its playground in memory, which would
> eliminate the normal Palm IIIs (2Mb of memory) and probably end up
> being a strain on the enhanced Palm IIIs (4mb). The PalmVs, last I
> recall, had 4Mb, and the Palm VIIs had 4 or 8. Anyone is free to
> correct me on this one, since I really don't know the specifics.
There are several models available right now:
Palm IIIe: 2MB, low-end model, $179 MSRP
Palm IIIx: 4MB, upgradeable (I thought it was 8 MB, but Palm's web page
says 4. Is that a recent change?), $299 MSRP
Palm V: 2MB, $399 MSRP (but way cooler than the IIIe...)
Palm Vx: 8MB, $449 MSRP
Palm VII: 2MB, $499 MSRP
Note that there are lots of differences between the various models, and
memory, while it's the only feature I've listed, is certainly not the
distinguishing feature of any of these models.
In addition, Handspring is the first company to offer PalmOS clones:
Visor: 2MB, $179 ($149 without cradle)
Visor Deluxe: 8MB, $249
There are certainly going to be other licensees... Qualcomm is releasing
a cell phone/PalmOS device in the near future; rumors abound that Apple
is releasing a PalmOS device soon; there are others in the mists... And
the prices will continue to come down. These prices aren't even set in
stone. (At least not for the Palm devices; Handspring seems to currently
only sells Visors directly, so no good deals available.) You can find
some of these devices cheaper at good online stores.
> So if we're going the 3com route, it'd require one of their more
> expensive models. Now, the question remains: Palm or CE? My opinion
> is that CE will die out. (It's already on the wane.) And that some
> Palm descendant will end up in the "communications utility" which
> will be a cell phone/Palm combined. Will this beast be using PalmOS
> though? I.e. will our port be out of date within 1 or 2 years? I'm
> really not sure. Perhaps we should hold off until things are made
> clear.
So far, PalmOS has done a very good job of backwards-compatibility. Apps
written for 2.x all work under 3.x, and I'm not sure, but I think that 1.x
apps do too. I'd imagine that if we wrote for the current OS version,
it'd be viable for quite a while.
> As I recall, there's a kit that lets you do Palm development in linux.
> So that means that there are decent tools, yes. There's also supposed
> to be similar ones for Windows, so as long as you're comfortable with
> M$ VisC, there's that option as well.
I know that Metrowerks CodeWarrior has a Palm dev. environment, and I
think there's a Linux version too. I know that Palm itself offers several
useful development tools for MacOS and Windoze...
> Even though I'm willing to assist, the fact that a CE port exists
> makes Mr. Lazy want to just go make use of someone else's work for a
> while.
As you note, CE is dying. It's not likely to last, and I think that MS is
realizing that. They're trying to save it for a bit, but they'll give up
eventually, maybe... They did eventually stop pushing MSN, right?
> I think the project is doable, but
> without experience in Palm programming, I'm not sure whether the
> tools are advanced enough to make it simple. I also have a vague
> recollection of hearing that Palm was a 16 bit platform, which could
> cause some difficulties.
>
> Thoughts?
Well, I haven't coded for the Palm at all yet, but the more I think about
it, the more interested I get... Even if my poor old Palm V doesn't have
enough memory to run it, it'd be a fun coding project. :-)
-Snibor Eoj
Flagg
<areq...@esegi.es> wrote in <38847536...@esegi.es> :
>I'm happy of hearing about these all candidates...
>
>In fact, I'm basically looking for a Palm version of Nethack just to
>"justify" myself the purchase of a Palm Vx (8 megs, about $400-$450)
>
>I have some (much I gess info) about Palm development, including some
>DevEnvironments, docs and so on. I guess that it would be possible work
>with the emulator... In fact, in the R&D project I'm currently involved,
>people that develop on Palm (to use it as access terminal to advanced
>telecomm services, along smart cards) uses the emulator on PC and then
>moves the code to the real Palm...
>
>Emulator rocks...
>
>About the Visor, I just looked at it and think it is not better that
>Palm but cheaper. It is not flash upgradeable (uses PalmOS 3.1), no
>rechargeable batteries and not sold out of the States...
>
>:(
>
>
>Antonio
True it's not flash upgradeable, but the 3.1h OS has most of the
enhancements in Palm 3.3. And you can add on an 8 MB springboard
FLASH card to store and run Nethack from. =)
that $200 difference in price is a bit much for some rechargeable
batteries, isnt it? =)