YAbloody annoying totally piss-takingD
!David/ Kirsty Damerell
fruit juice and choking. I Do Not Believe It. I'd killed all the monsters,
used up the WoW [2], and I had the boots of levitation I needed to do Medusa
and Fort Ludicrous [1] (which I'd been in and killed all the guards on the
outside) and donate, and finally get to do the Quest, and one lousy potion
kills me. I need mind-control - I've died 3 or 4 times now while thinking
"and after that, the Quest.".
I'd reached 14th level by killing things, too.
6 392754 Kirsty-V choked on her food
in The Dungeons of Doom on level 26 [max 27]. 157 [157]
Choked on a quick snack.
I'll crack this damn game yet... think I would have ascended that time,
otherwise.
--
David 'Gotterdammerung' Damerell, GCV Sauricon. djs...@hermes.cam.ac.uk.
Trinity College, Cambridge University. CUWoCS President. All Hail Discordia!
|___| You bought a mask: I put it on: you never thought to ask me if I wear
| | | it when you're gone. The Sisters of Mercy: When You Don't See Me.
[1] Because of the amount of gold, see?
[2] Had a wish off the throne, too: up until then, I'd not had a single
one.
!David/ Kirsty Damerell
[Description of my sad death excised]
I've decided I love this game after all: the owner of the armour shop I
just dug into got pissed off, and zapped me with a wand of cold several
times, which bounced off the wall each time and struck him.
I was playing a Valk. Which intrinsic do they start with? You betcha.
Thanks for the kit, Mr. late Bobayai.
!David/ Kirsty Damerell
>!David/ Kirsty Damerell <djs...@hermes.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>[Description of my sad death excised]
>I've decided I love this game after all: the owner of the armour shop I
>just dug into got pissed off, and zapped me with a wand of cold several
>times, which bounced off the wall each time and struck him.
>I was playing a Valk. Which intrinsic do they start with? You betcha.
>Thanks for the kit, Mr. late Bobayai.
Progress report: I got GoP from a fountain, and MoJo from an altar on
level one. I was L8 by the time I left L1 for good, and regrettably
permanently invisible - robbed 2-3 other shops on the way down, usually by
digging in the back and running round the front while the shopkeeper said
"What? Where'd she go?" - Mr. late Bobayai contributed speed boots to this
endeavour. Found Fort Ludicrous, but no means of levitation, so used
conflict to kill all the critters outside. A magic lamp yielded GDSM.
Found the Quest entrance. Found Medusa, but had levitation by then, so
killed the Medusa: _I_'m the bitch, dammit, and she ain't allowed to be.
Cleaned out the Ludious amounts of money in Fort Ludicrous, and donated
the lot. A graveyard yielded my first 'unearned' levels, and I went on the
Quest - Surtur was a pushover, but the Orb of Fate is kinda nifty. Cleaned
out the Castle without any conflict after the first room (my kills! my
kills!), and the WoW in the Castle yielded BBoH and all the armour and
magic markers I needed to get rustproof fireproof +7 Mojo AC-35 [my
backup weapon was and is a rusty +3 Dragonbane, which suits me fine - I
only really need it for blue dragons...], and the black dragon
there combined with my trusty AoMB yielded the intrinsic I'd been
worried about. Cleaned out the Valley without conflict: just splattered
the undead with MoJo nice and systematic-like. Working down into Gehennom
yielded my 3rd AoLS - well, the 3rd I'd seen - the first I'd collected,
since the other two had been hung round critters' necks. I'd lose two more
like that before getting another off Vlad's Tower. Chased Asmodeus
upstairs - kill 'im on the way back. Killed Juibilex with trivial ease.
Killed Baalzebub - had to chase him up one level, but he foolishly hung
around after fleeing upstairs. Got down to Orcus - up to Vlad's - slew
Vlad for the Candelabrum - cleaned out Orcus - attacked Orcus on principle
- chased him up a level - went down a level and saved.
So now I'm wondering if my next post in this thread'll be YASD or first
ascension. Any bets?
[It's a good game: it's the first time I've gone on the Quest, and I
completed it fine. It's the third time I've arrived at Fort Ludicrous:
I've died outside once, killed the outsiders and never come back once, and
so this is the first time I've cleaned it out. It's the third time I've
arrived at Medusa's Isle, and I've drowned there once, and let the bitch
escape once only to be slain by her later once, and this is the first
time I've successfully done the Isle. And I've arrived at the Castle
twice, and choked there once, and so this is my first successful Castle.
So many firsts: I _want_ a first ascension, dammit. But I suspect the
bloody Wizard will prove a match for me...]
--
Kirsty 'The Bitch is Back' Damerell. djs...@hermes.cam.ac.uk.
!David/ Kirsty Damerell
Kirsty-Vs ascension?-in-progress.]
So I restart the same, and it SEGVs. Not how I expected it to end.
May I say now that the UNIX recover program is wonderful and sexy and I
want to have its babies?
*phew*
--
David 'Gotterdammerung' Damerell, GCV Sauricon. djs...@hermes.cam.ac.uk.
Trinity College, Cambridge University. CUWoCS President. All Hail Discordia!
|___| That is not dead which can eternal lie, Vote Cthulhu: why make do
| | | And with strange aeons even death may die. with the lesser evil?
!David/ Kirsty Damerell
>Kirsty-Vs ascension?-in-progress.]
So, one recover later, I descended deeper into Gehennom.
Wizard was a pushover, so was the sanctum: the only real challenge was
the plane of Air, where an Archon got its hands on a SoCM and created
several monsters including a couple more Archons and lots of SoCMs got
read: I had all my holy water unblessed by them (!) and so couldn't
remove my by now cursed RoL and RoR, which I wore to the endgame, so
no conflict - I managed to fight out losing one of my AoLS, and ran
for the portal - I didn't use conflict in this game at all after the
treasure zoo at the start of the Castle. Killed Famine on the way to
Loki's altar on the right, went back, walked round Death and found
Odin in the middle. Bingo. Not bad for a first-time-Quester, eh?
The interesting thing about this ascension is it was totally abuse-free
and indeed sporting: I only saw one bones file, and that was pretty
useless: I didn't polypile, or PoP the WoY, or leave him in Vlad's place,
or nurse dance, or anything...
Kirsty the Heroine St:25 Dx:18 Co:18 In:15 Wi:20 Ch:8 Neutral
Astral Plane $:185 HP:250(250) Pw:87(87) AC:-33 Exp:24 T:85918 Burdened
(In fact, I had some large amount of gold in my bBoH: not too much,
since all the stuff from Fort Ludicrous went to the Minetown priest.)
(I lost my cloak and hence my AC-35, but found a bSoEA and got my GDSM
up to +5)
I think this translates to:
NH 3.1.3L AF Kirsty-VF HP:250 Pw:87 AC:-33 L:24 T:85918 N
[++ )++ P S+ D+/++ p-- $+ t+ s++ W+ E--- PS- !PP G !C- I++ @W(MoJo(8)) N--
!b !B-- !Y X+ So+++ Sp++ !sb !wb-- +1
Final Attributes:
You were piously aligned.
You were telepathic.
You could teleport.
You had teleport control.
You saw invisible.
You were invisible to others.
You were very fast.
You were stealthy.
You regenerated.
You aggravated monsters. [oops]
You were poison resistant.
You were fire resistant.
You were cold resistant.
You were shock resistant.
You were sleep resistant.
You were disintegration-resistant.
Your life would have been saved.
You were warned.
You were protected.
You were levitating.
You were magic-protected.
You were lucky.
You had extra luck.
You died once.
Vanquished foes:
Baalzebub
Yeenoghu
Juiblex [Never did catch up with Asmodeus or Orcus]
Wizard of Yendor (8 times)
[He wasn't much trouble: killed him by the traditional method of hitting
him extremely hard with MoJo each time he popped up: he never
double-troubled, stole the AoY twice (once the Orb as well), and summoned
his pets quite a bit... Saw him twice in the plane of Earth and once on
the Astral Plane...]
2 shopkeepers
a guard [careless of me, these two...]
32 cockatrices [there were so many of the damn things.]
7 white unicorns
3 gray unicorns [*blush* I got my bUH off one, too...]
4 black unicorns
3000 creatures vanquished.
Genocided species:
liches
demiliches
master liches
giant eels
electric eels
krakens
6 species genocided.
[Only 2 SoG, all game]
Goodbye Kirsty the Demigoddess...
You went to your reward with 4974770 points,
[a whole bunch of gems]
and 77855 pieces of gold, after 85918 moves.
You were level 24 with a maximum of 250 hit points when you ascended.
--
David 'Gotterdammerung' Damerell, GCV Sauricon. djs...@hermes.cam.ac.uk.
Trinity College, Cambridge University. CUWoCS President. All Hail Discordia!
|___| "Life is short and love is always over in the morning." |___|
| | | Temple of Love - The Sisters of Mercy. | | |
Paul Brinkley
What on earth were you doing with all your holy water out in your
main inventory, and not in some kind of container?
I carry either a sack with at least one !PoHW in it at all times,
or, if I have two b(BoHs in my main inventory, I carry equal
amounts of HW in each one.
Still, congratulations on an abuseless ascension!
Earollon-E, killed by a spellbook of cancellation, which froze him
long enough for a gnome king from nowhere to whack him to death.
What the hell was a +SoCanc doing on level 1??
Paul Brinkley
brin...@cs.utexas.edu
Robbie Gates
> Progress report: [snipped] in Gehennom
> So now I'm wondering if my next post in this thread'll be YASD or first
> ascension. Any bets?
You read the Scroll of Spoiling --more--
You feel enlightened
Ok at this stage, i reckon ascension is as close to auto as it gets ...
things i'd do before attempting to go on if i was playing it safe:
i) Genocide L;NH cockatrice and gelationous cube -- wish for the (PYEC
and recharge the (MM and if this doesn't yield enough ?SoG then
polypile.
ii) Curse the bell, and get to level 30 and around 500 HP's by chowing
down wraiths. this will take some time - but hey.
iii) Place the Fort Ludicrous rations on the stair well's on the way up
thru Gehennom - Orb of Fate makes less time consuming than otherwise.
About 2 or 3 rations near each stairwell makes starvation unlikely.
You might like to leave some holy water as well, and rebless everything
that's not blessed as you do the dash out of hell.
Have a first aid sack - containing a blessed unicorn horn (_another one_)
and 2 holy waters per BoH you hold - keep buttloads of Holy water
in your BOH's - i tend to have 20-30 in total. Bless everything
you carry before hitting the wiz - this'll slow down his cursing a
bit.
You shouldn't have much trouble after this - find the vib sq before you
hit the @WoY. Conflict is useful for the @WoY, but not desperate -
if you're magic proof and have buttloads of HP's and there are no
L;NHcb in the game the critters he summons can't be too bad. Might
be worth getting a [HoOA for the plane of Air - A's can suck a lot.
Then again, i tend to do the planes via c?SoGD and just running straight
for the portal.
watch out for Famine on the Astral plane. A wellcharged /WoD is useful
here - with a low AC (near -50 is doable) and carving a path with the
/WoD getting to an altar isn't hard.
Good luck ... keep us informed.
- robbie
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apprentice algebraist | it's just a way of making you speak.
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!David/ Kirsty Damerell
midway positions...]
John Fouhy <jfo...@atlantis.actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>!David/ Kirsty Damerell <djs...@hermes.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>> backup weapon was and is a rusty +3 Dragonbane, which suits me fine - I
>> only really need it for blue dragons...], and the black dragon
>handy weapon versus Jabberwocki (incidentally: don't forget energy
>vortices...) and for a quick kill of the Wiz.
I never did find Vorpy, but once you're energy resistant, energy vortices
make a convenient place to hide out in a tough place rather than a
killer... as for Jabberwocks, I'm not sure that move close and wield Vorpy
and hit and wield MoJo is actually quicker than throwing MoJo at 'em as
many times as it takes. Woulda been handy against the Wiz, tho'.
>and Magicbane for
>countering the random cursing on the way up... (don't want to have that
>bBoY get cursed! (keep some holy water in an ordinary sack))
This was a problem: the bBoH got unblessed once by the Wiz, and later all
the water in it got unblessed. If that'd happened in the opposite order,
I'da been screwed. Keeping water in a few seperate bags is indeed the
Right Thing.
>> worried about. Cleaned out the Valley without conflict: just splattered
>> the undead with MoJo nice and systematic-like. Working down into Gehennom
>If you'd used conflict, you would have had a higher chance of getting
>wraith corpses...
Ah, who needs level 30 anyway? My kills, dammit. Also, if a wraith gets
killed at the back of the crowd, you have to wade through to his corpse,
if you even see the corpse get created: without RoC you get to eat every
corpse you make...
>> around after fleeing upstairs. Got down to Orcus - up to Vlad's - slew
>> Vlad for the Candelabrum - cleaned out Orcus - attacked Orcus on principle
>> - chased him up a level - went down a level and saved.
>Go after him and get the WoD...;-) It can always be recharged, if he
>exhausts it in your direction..
Never did catch him, and I had no means of charging it. He'd certainly
used it up. I'll prolly try and get the WoD another time.
>Watch out for the planes. :-) Got a crystal ball with reasonable charge?
Nope, but the AoY served quite well in that respect. The Orb of Fate was
drained. You were right in that the Plane of Air was a killer.
>> So many firsts: I _want_ a first ascension, dammit. But I suspect the
>> bloody Wizard will prove a match for me...]
Hah, hah, I was wrong. :-)
>The Wizard isn't too hard, just a pain...watch out for his pets. (RoC is
>useful, ditto for Vorpie / ToM as he keeps 'porting away)
I'd not be able to get the ToM, of course...
>See if you can lose him in Vlad's tower - bump him off, then run up into
>level 1/2 of it, hit him until he runs for the up stairs, then just go
>down. ;-)
Rather unsporting: it's clearly the intent that the Wiz should pester you
all game, so I never did PoP or Vlad or WoDigging him.
>Found a HoOA yet?
Call me a purist and a roleplayer to boot, but I don't _like_ wearing
HoOAs unless I just put one on by accident and it's cursed. Seems to me
that the character would hate it when she took it off, yesno?
--
Kirsty 'Demigoddess' Damerell. djs...@hermes.cam.ac.uk.
Jeffrey Robertson
Robbie Gates <rob...@maths.usyd.edu.au> wrote:
>
>i) [...] wish for the (PYEC [...]
>ii) Curse the bell, [...]
>
>[...] Conflict is useful for the @WoY, but not desperate -
Perhaps he'd like to make an ascension without abuse.
Points i and ii are widely considered abuse. Conflict
is not, but I consider it a sign of skill to ascend
without resorting to conflict. YMMV.
--
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Jeffrey Robertson | je...@bnr.ca | BNR, Ottawa
"I speak for myself, not BNR" - Me +----------------+ (Meriline)
"Verbing weirds language" - Calvin OC-48 FiberWorld
!David/ Kirsty Damerell
Robbie Gates <rob...@maths.usyd.edu.au> wrote:
>!David/ Kirsty Damerell wrote:
>> Progress report: [snipped] in Gehennom
>> So now I'm wondering if my next post in this thread'll be YASD or first
>> ascension. Any bets?
Hur hur. We've had a few fatalities in Gehennom.
>i) Genocide L;NH cockatrice and gelationous cube
Genocided L: in retrospect wish I hadn't genocided ;, because I had wands
of teleport coming out of my ears and the little wossnames are 1000XP each
- at least until the Plane of Water. Why N? Woulda genocided cockatrices
if I had the scroll to spare - prolly leave b alone, because you reach the
point where you genocide A-Za-z and get swamped by &...
> -- wish for the (PYEC
I don't wish for other people's quest artifacts - seems to me that the
PYEC is the Tourists' compensation for life as a Tourist up to that point.
>if this doesn't yield enough ?SoG then polypile.
Don't polypile, either: it ain't quite abuse, but it's unsporting...
>ii) Curse the bell, and get to level 30 and around 500 HP's by chowing
> down wraiths. this will take some time - but hey.
Abuse. Pure and simple.
>iii) Place the Fort Ludicrous rations on the stair wells on the way up
> thru Gehennom - Orb of Fate makes less time consuming than otherwise.
> About 2 or 3 rations near each stairwell makes starvation unlikely.
> You might like to leave some holy water as well, and rebless everything
> that's not blessed as you do the dash out of hell.
I should in retrospect have done that instead of lugging a bundle of food
around, but with 4 lembas wafers when I got the AoY my lunchbox wasn't all
that heavy...
>You shouldn't have much trouble after this - find the vib sq before you
>hit the @WoY.
Indeed (might try it the other way some time, just for fun...)
>watch out for Famine on the Astral plane.
Been there, seen that, killed that... :-)
> A wellcharged /WoD is useful
>here - with a low AC (near -50 is doable) and carving a path with the
>/WoD getting to an altar isn't hard.
'twas AC -33 and MoJo, but I didn't stick around to fight, no...
--
David 'Gotterdammerung' Damerell, GCV Sauricon. djs...@hermes.cam.ac.uk.
Trinity College, Cambridge University. CUWoCS President. All Hail Discordia!
John Fouhy
> of teleport coming out of my ears and the little wossnames are 1000XP each
What use is XP at that stage?? You'll never make enough to go up a level
manually (now there's a challenge ascension: no wraith corpses, no
potions of gain level (after the first), succubi/incubi must be killed on
sight. :-) ).. or were you just doing it for the score?
> - at least until the Plane of Water. Why N? Woulda genocided cockatrices
Golden nagas can be a problem before you get magic resistance, but you
had it, I presume?
> I should in retrospect have done that instead of lugging a bundle of food
> around, but with 4 lembas wafers when I got the AoY my lunchbox wasn't all
> that heavy...
I normalls ascend with a dozen or two food rations that I never eat
because I'm feeding on dragons and others.. :-)
-=)> John <(=-
Robbie Gates
> [Another followup to the midway position]
> Robbie Gates <rob...@maths.usyd.edu.au> wrote:
> >!David/ Kirsty Damerell wrote:
> >> Progress report: [snipped] in Gehennom
> >> So now I'm wondering if my next post in this thread'll be YASD or first
> >> ascension. Any bets?
> >Ok at this stage, i reckon ascension is as close to auto as it gets ...
> Hur hur. We've had a few fatalities in Gehennom.
of "here comes an ascension..."
> >i) Genocide L;NH cockatrice and gelationous cube
> Genocided L: in retrospect wish I hadn't genocided ;, because I had wands
> of teleport coming out of my ears and the little wossnames are 1000XP each
> - at least until the Plane of Water.
yeah, ;'s are a matter of taste i guess, but i rarely get levels from
xp at the point i'm getting genocides
>Why N?
If you're not lawful, golden/guardian naga's can be a real pain ... just
from personal experience
> prolly leave b alone, because you reach the
> point where you genocide A-Za-z and get swamped by &...
true, thats why i try and only genocide gel. cube. (not the other b's),
and don't genocide anything except L;NH cockatrice gel cube
> > -- wish for the (PYEC
> I don't wish for other people's quest artifacts - seems to me that the
> PYEC is the Tourists' compensation for life as a Tourist up to that point.
> >if this doesn't yield enough ?SoG then polypile.
> Don't polypile, either: it ain't quite abuse, but it's unsporting...
> >ii) Curse the bell, and get to level 30 and around 500 HP's by chowing
> > down wraiths. this will take some time - but hey.
> Abuse. Pure and simple.
in response to the abuse claims, i'll just point out these comments were in
the context of me believing this was a first ascension, and for my first
ascension i was more or less saying ... I WANT TO WIN ... i didn't use save
files or any "external abuses", but as far as i cared anything internal was
fair game
nowadays, i don't wish for quest artifacts or curse the bell, but still polypile
if the opportunity presents itself. i usually finish with wishes (8 extras last time
(Calvin the Caveman)) so i prolly shouldn't polypile either.
> >You shouldn't have much trouble after this - find the vib sq before you
> >hit the @WoY.
> Indeed (might try it the other way some time, just for fun...)
yeah, i've considered this ... one day i want to try a "hamiltonian game",
or as close is as possible with still completing, i.e. go down till i find
mine stairs, then do mine, then keep going down to quest ... i.e. absolutely
no backtracking except if forced by level teleport accident or such ... no
intentional backtracking i guess is what i mean.
congrats btw,
!David/ Kirsty Damerell
>[ascension report omitted]
>What on earth were you doing with all your holy water out in your
>main inventory, and not in some kind of container?
It _was_ in some kind of container - to wit, a bBoH. Unless I had it all
out just when I got a random-curse, and put it back in again without
noticing.
Beats me too, but it happened...
!David/ Kirsty Damerell
>!David/ Kirsty Damerell wrote:
>> [Another followup to the midway position]
>> Robbie Gates <rob...@maths.usyd.edu.au> wrote:
>> >i) Genocide L;NH cockatrice and gelationous cube
>>Why N?
>If you're not lawful, golden/guardian naga's can be a real pain ... just
>from personal experience
Don't see so many of them.
>> >ii) Curse the bell, and get to level 30 and around 500 HP's by chowing
>> > down wraiths. this will take some time - but hey.
>> Abuse. Pure and simple.
>in response to the abuse claims, i'll just point out these comments were in
>the context of me believing this was a first ascension, and for my first
>ascension i was more or less saying ... I WANT TO WIN ... i didn't use save
>files or any "external abuses", but as far as i cared anything internal was
>fair game
This _was_ a first ascension. I'm a purist, I suppose.
>congrats btw,
Why, thank you.
--
David 'Gotterdammerung' Damerell, GCV Sauricon. djs...@hermes.cam.ac.uk.
Trinity College, Cambridge University. CUWoCS President. All Hail Discordia!
|___| This will be my last regret... Last exit for the lost! |___|
| | | (Fields of the Nephilim) | | |
!David/ Kirsty Damerell
>!David/ Kirsty Damerell <djs...@hermes.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>> of teleport coming out of my ears and the little wossnames are 1000XP each
>manually (now there's a challenge ascension: no wraith corpses, no
>potions of gain level (after the first), succubi/incubi must be killed on
>sight. :-) ).. or were you just doing it for the score?
I reached Medusa's Isle still wanting the levels for the Quest - and if I
recall correctly I got them all (save one PoGL) through the traditional
means of hitting monsters with a big hammer. 1,000XP per ; would have been
useful, to say the least.
Ronald Neumann
: In article <4k3pc7$i...@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>,
: !David/ Kirsty Damerell <djs...@hermes.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
: > Genocided L: in retrospect wish I hadn't genocided ;, because I had wands
: > of teleport coming out of my ears and the little wossnames are 1000XP each
: What use is XP at that stage?? You'll never make enough to go up a level
: manually (now there's a challenge ascension: no wraith corpses, no
: potions of gain level (after the first), succubi/incubi must be killed on
: sight. :-) ).. or were you just doing it for the score?
That's not so much of a challenge,if spellcasting isn't one of your
priorities,and you dance with nurses for the hp.
And even hitpoints are not that important.I ascended an elf in vanilla
nethack with 196 max hitpoints and without artifacts.
: > - at least until the Plane of Water. Why N? Woulda genocided cockatrices
: Golden nagas can be a problem before you get magic resistance, but you
: had it, I presume?
Genocide cockatrices,the best weapon in the game? No way.
Guardian Nagas can paralyse you for ~4 rounds,and that can be a real
pain in the rump,esp.since they usually get first attack.
That's a feature i hate anyways: many monsters that are defined as
slightly faster than humans can *move next to you and attack in
the same move*;beasties of this kind are:
cats and dogs,Yeti,leocrottas,most full-grown Nagas,Ki-Rin,Centaurs(not
sure here),jaguars,Minotaurs,Giant Mummies(Ettin Mummies?),Ogre Kings,
giant spiders,Snakes,Vampire Lords;
The result is,that when you are losing a fight against a little dog
on level two and decide to run away with no more than normal speed,
doggie will chase you and still do one attack per round.Stoopid - dogs
do NOT have double speed.
Janis Papanagnou
: Genocide cockatrices,the best weapon in the game? No way.
Well, not (always) the best against obtrusive demons...
-- Janis (petrified by being disrobed)
Chuan-Tze Teo
e1...@alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Ronald Neumann) writes:
>That's a feature i hate anyways: many monsters that are defined as
>slightly faster than humans can *move next to you and attack in
>the same move*;beasties of this kind are:
>cats and dogs,Yeti,leocrottas,most full-grown Nagas,Ki-Rin,Centaurs(not
>sure here),jaguars,Minotaurs,Giant Mummies(Ettin Mummies?),Ogre Kings,
Centaurs yes. I think some minor demons (homonculi?), elves, SOLDIER
ANTS (annoying, annoying, annoying), and one or two other a's do this.
However I have never seen a ki-rin, minotaur or vampire lord generated
before getting speed, even in NH+.
>giant spiders,Snakes,Vampire Lords;
>The result is,that when you are losing a fight against a little dog
>on level two and decide to run away with no more than normal speed,
>doggie will chase you and still do one attack per round.Stoopid - dogs
>do NOT have double speed.
No kidding. This is my major cause of death at low levels now, being
unable to run from "moderately fast" creatures. Large dogs and cats
are particularly irritating especially when pulled up by a SoCM. And if
_you_ are fast, your stupid pets take forever to catch up, which is
ridiculous.
- Chuan
William Harris
says...
>No kidding. This is my major cause of death at low levels now, being
>unable to run from "moderately fast" creatures. Large dogs and cats
>are particularly irritating especially when pulled up by a SoCM. And if
>_you_ are fast, your stupid pets take forever to catch up, which is
>ridiculous.
I don't mind so much being fast, and my pet being slow, as I mind the trouble I
have synchronizing speeds with them. If you could speed them up to match
yourself (and, for that matter, tell how fast they were, and whether or not you
were as fast as it), it would be very helpful. As it is, when I zap a wand of
haste monster at myself, then at my pet, it appears that they have become very
fast, rather than just fast. At least they appear to jump around a lot more,
which if we're both moving at the same speed shouldn't happen.
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