[slashem] Killing a hostile human is considered murder?

[Janis Papanagnou]

Playing a human Knight in Slashem. Cleared most of Grund's level.
Then met a hostile human at Grund's throne room...

The human attacks a spot beside you. The human strikes at thin air!
You kill the human! You murderer!
You see here a human corpse {1450}.

...and got the indication of being a murderer, supposedly with all
the negative consequences. - WTF?! - Is the Wiki wrong?

Janis

[B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson]

I take it, you didn't wear =oC? If the human has been part of the initial
monster set while making the level, it would have been /created/ peaceful.
Therefore, "murder" is to be expected.

Is Grund's level eligible for bones? Then maybe a former adventurer is
responsible for angering the human. Or (s)he got caught in sth. you did
(blast of some kind) without you noticing? Or (s)he was just temporarily
confused by sth.? Or did your steed attack the human while you were
mounted? Then the human would just have been trying to hit the pair of
you in self-defence...

BeAr
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[Janis Papanagnou]

On 15.05.2022 07:49, B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2022 03:27:45 +0200, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>
>> Playing a human Knight in Slashem. Cleared most of Grund's level.
>> Then met a hostile human at Grund's throne room...
>>
>> The human attacks a spot beside you. The human strikes at thin air!
>> You kill the human! You murderer!
>> You see here a human corpse {1450}.
>>
>> ...and got the indication of being a murderer, supposedly with all
>> the negative consequences. - WTF?! - Is the Wiki wrong?
>
> I take it, you didn't wear =oC? If the human has been part of the initial
> monster set while making the level, it would have been /created/ peaceful.
> Therefore, "murder" is to be expected.

While I reached around dungeon level 21 (including mines) yet I
haven't identified any ring (or any other item by normal means
of identification); without any appropriate shop generated in
that game, no mall level and no mine-town general shop. I have
quite some unidentified rings but didn't wear them in combat.

>
> Is Grund's level eligible for bones? Then maybe a former adventurer is
> responsible for angering the human.

I think that is generally not possible there. And since I have a
bones-notifier installed I'd have got a message on entering the
level. So I can exclude that.

> Or (s)he got caught in sth. you did
> (blast of some kind) without you noticing?

Often I use grenades in that throne room, but this time all the
monsters were so kind to greet me at the room entrance already,
so that I was able to melee them all in two-artifact two-handed
combat. Moreover the human was in a closed niche of that level;
here's the respective part of the level definition, where I am
the @ close to the entry and the human was on bottom of the map
behind a secret door 'S', and I don't think I could reach that
niche with rays from a wand through the iron bars 'F' from my
position. Here's the map excerpt...

H-......----S-
HS[....@^^^S.. <<< me
H-......----S-
H--......---.-
##-.......--.-
-#--.......-..
-##-.......---
--S--......S#-
-...--....--+-
-...----..F.@- <<< gypsy
-...SH.----%.- and another human
--------------

There were two humans in that niche (depicted at the bottom right).
The level definition file for that niche says

MONSTER[10%]:'@',"gypsy",(12,18),peaceful
OBJECT:'%',"corpse",(11,19),"human",0

I wonder why (besides the gypsy) the human was also alive. The
existence of that other (hostile) human is mysterious to me.

> Or (s)he was just temporarily confused by sth.?

Not that I can tell. (I have no stethoscope.)

> Or did your steed attack the human while you were mounted?

At that stage I was alone (no pets or minions with me).

> Then the human would just have been trying to hit the pair of
> you in self-defence...

Hmm.., I cannot imagine how that could have happened. (Maybe a
misled cursed potion of confusion thrown by a monster at me that
hit the human through the iron bars 'F'? - Will cursed potions
when thrown be able to take an arbitrary direction like missile
weapons?)

Janis

[B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson]

On Sun, 15 May 2022 11:39:54 +0200, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

> Will cursed potions when thrown be able to take an arbitrary direction
> like missile weapons?

AFAICT: No.