Strange use of a wish (spoily)
Stimp Mast
been cautious, suffering a recent string of promising wizard YASDs, so
food has been a problem. Already got Int up to 23, by chugging blessed
!oEnlightenment's and finding (in a dlvl 2 armor shop, no less) a Helm
of Brilliance, which I enchanted up to +3. Dlvl 5 had a hardware store
with a blessed magic lamp, Dlvl 4 had an altar I converted, from where
I got the holy water to bless my enlightenment potions. All in all,
suspiciously nice behavior from the RNG..
I start to get hungry and look for food. a couple newt corpses and eggs
later, I'm starting to become weak, and I pray to Anhur for sustenance.
Anhur is displeased?!? I coulda sworn it'd been at least 1000 turns
since my last prayer.. damn. Now I'm fainting and really screwed. Read
a scroll of teleportation in hopes it'll land me next to some food..
no.. how could such a promising wizard die like this? Wait, I still
have my blessed magic lamp! I rub it and out comes the djinni.
Now I sat there wondering why I didn't just use this to wish for a =oSD
earlier. At least I'll get a useful intrinsic from this, I thought, and
wished for a blessed black dragon corpse. Never thought I'd ever use a
valuable early wish on mere food... gotta love NetHack.
One minor question.. while #dipping a smoky potion into a b!oW, I got a
message long the lines of "Boom! The mixture explodes." Is this because
the Smoky Potion is Acid in my game? In which case, shouldn't the
explosion only result from #dipping the water into the acid?
sjde...@yahoo.com
> Now I sat there wondering why I didn't just use this to wish for a =oSD
> earlier. At least I'll get a useful intrinsic from this, I thought, and
> wished for a blessed black dragon corpse. Never thought I'd ever use a
> valuable early wish on mere food... gotta love NetHack.
2 blessed tins of spinach?
Blessed Horn of Plenty (risky, could have few charges and not produce
the food you need)?
Stimp Mast
have worked out great. I thought about the spinach as I still need str
a lot, but I was worried that I'd die before I successfully opened it;
I'd been fainting for some time already..
Jove
<free_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
<Snip story of using wish from a blessed magic lamp to get a
black dragon corpse.>
It's kind of a funny wish, yeah. But a magic lamp is usually
best saved for the event of an emergency, not to prevent one,
because:
a) It's only "80% of a wish", but 100% of a permanent light
source. (And the permanent light source can help prevent
and emergency from happening.)
b) You don't know in advance what the next emergency will be.
I once got a wand of wishing on the first level of Sokoban.
Then a monster in the lower left corner of the map read one (or
maybe both) of the scrolls of earth there. Breaking boulders
in Sokoban for massive amounts of bad luck, followed by emergency
wishes...I just don't have the heart to go on.
>One minor question.. while #dipping a smoky potion into a b!oW, I got a
>message long the lines of "Boom! The mixture explodes."
>Is this because the Smoky Potion is Acid in my game?
Very probably. (I don't see how it could be a result of
alchemy, because blessing an object isn't alchemy.)
>In which case, shouldn't the explosion only result from #dipping
>the water into the acid?
This is a multiple choice answer. Pick the one you like best.
a) Yes.
b) "'Smagick, innit." (Translation: "It's magic, isn't it.")
c) You can
- Cast spells,
- Fight monsters,
- (most surprisingly of all) Kill anything that moves with
no lawyers *ever* showing up, and *this* is what you find
strange?
d) No.
e) Nethack is cruel. (Holy water doesn't "wet" anything else.
e.g. scrolls, or other potions for that matter.) (Maybe
the DevTeam is saying that physics is stronger than magic/
divinity, and that's why we live in a mundane world while
magic thrives in the Dungeons of Doom. ;^)
--
All the best,
Jove
Jove
<sjde...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Those are excellent suggestions, and probably at least a
little better than the black dragon corpse Stimp Mast. They'll
be good for me to remember. (Or more likely, search for if/when
this situation comes up for me.)
If two blessed tins of spinach aren't in the wishing spoiler,
perhaps they should be.
Still, I would like to compliment Stimp Mast on making a good,
solid, workable solution to a near-unique situation, then posting
the problem/solution for the edification (and nit-picking ;^) of
us all.
Thanks to both of you.
Link
Stimp Mast wrote:
> Now I sat there wondering why I didn't just use this to wish for a =oSD
> earlier. At least I'll get a useful intrinsic from this, I thought, and
> wished for a blessed black dragon corpse. Never thought I'd ever use a
> valuable early wish on mere food... gotta love NetHack.
Cursed figurine of kraken? So you can get XP and food?
I would have probably gone for the black dragon corpse though, since it
can prevent a potential YASD.
Andrew Kerr
Mast <free_g...@yahoo.com> says...
> I thought about the spinach as I still need str
> a lot, but I was worried that I'd die before I successfully opened it;
> I'd been fainting for some time already..
>
>
Raisse the Thaumaturge
> On 16 Sep 2005 15:32:51 -0700, "Stimp Mast"
> <free_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>One minor question.. while #dipping a smoky potion into a b!oW, I got a
>>message long the lines of "Boom! The mixture explodes."
>
>>Is this because the Smoky Potion is Acid in my game?
>
> Very probably. (I don't see how it could be a result of
> alchemy, because blessing an object isn't alchemy.)
I couldn't reproduce that in explore mode, and frankly I can't believe
that dipping anything into holy water ever causes an explosion.
Acid into holy water:
Your brown potion softly glows with a light blue aura.
Holy or plain water into acid:
The potions mix... The mixture glows brightly and evaporates.
(and I *think* I also did real alchemy once, getting diluted fruit juice,
but I was too surprised to make sure)
Acid into plain water:
It boils vigorously! You are caught in the explosion!
Raisse, killed by elementary chemistry
--
ir...@valdyas.org LegoHack: http://www.valdyas.org/irina/nethack/
Status of Raisse (piously neutral): Level 8 HP 63(67) AC -3, fast.
Raisse the Thaumaturge
> Stimp Mast wrote:
>> Now I sat there wondering why I didn't just use this to wish for a =oSD
>> earlier. At least I'll get a useful intrinsic from this, I thought, and
>> wished for a blessed black dragon corpse. Never thought I'd ever use a
>> valuable early wish on mere food... gotta love NetHack.
>
> Cursed figurine of kraken? So you can get XP and food?
If you don't faint while fighting it...
Raisse, killed by a kraken
Andrew Kerr
sjde...@yahoo.com <sjde...@yahoo.com> says...
storm giant is guaranteed to give shock resistance in addition to the
strength boost as its base level is over 15. Fire/frost giants are not
guaranteed. They give 750 nutrition, so you would have been able to eat two
safely.
Sebastian Hungerecker
> Jove <inv...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> If two blessed tins of spinach aren't in the wishing spoiler,
>>perhaps they should be.
>
> depending on which intrinsics you already have.
But tins of monsters give less nutrition than tins of spinach, so for a
starving character spinach would be the better solution.
--
If geiger counter does not click,
the coffee, she is just not thick
Andrew Kerr
<sep...@web.de> says...
> Jukka Lahtinen wrote:
> > Jove <inv...@invalid.invalid> writes:
> >> If two blessed tins of spinach aren't in the wishing spoiler,
> >>perhaps they should be.
> >
> > Two blessed tins of [fire/frost/storm] giant meat could be even better,
> > depending on which intrinsics you already have.
>
> But tins of monsters give less nutrition than tins of spinach, so for a
> starving character spinach would be the better solution.
>
more nutrition than two tins of spinach, in addition to an intrinsic.
OTOH if the character doesn't want nutrition, two b!oGA will increase all
stats, not just strength.
I'm struggling to think of a situation where two blessed tins of spinach
would be the best wish. Perhaps one in which food absolutely must be eaten
in as few turns as possible?
Stimp Mast
case, because that's the message I got ('boils vigorously'). But a look
into the potions spoiler revealed that any time one performs alchemy
there is a 10% chance of an explosion, resulting in both potions being
lost. I suppose dipping into holy water doesn't count as alchemy, so
this wouldn't affect it.
As sort of an epilogue allow me to recount Dominga's unfortunate YASD
just a few hours after this wishing incident. Was sacrificing in the
co-aligned Minetown altar to try to get artifacts.. had just made about
a dozen holy waters and blessed my BoH, luckstone, other stuff.
Accidentally hit a gas spore that was standing next to the altar
priest... The Priest of Anhur gets angry! Uh-oh. I tried to run but he
summons insects, down about half health in one turn. Zap myself with a
wand of teleport to flee and where does it teleport me to? Two squares
over, to get eaten alive the very same turn. Argh!
Seems the RNG likes to bait you into thinking you've got it made, only
to drop the bomb later in some totally unexpected way (like the
teleport wand flukishly moving me only a couple spaces). Ah, well.
Drew Levitt
Raisse the Thaumaturge wrote:
>
> Raisse, killed by elementary chemistry
It's true! I had to check for myself in wizmode, but this *is* a
possible death. You can also be "petrified by elementary physics,"
though it seems you'll just usually be "killed by a falling object."
So what's next?
"You see here a drab spellbook."
read
"The spellbook is a math textbook!"
"It is very boring!"
"You are bored to death..."
DYWYPI?
Zeno, killed by elementary algebra
But seriously, what are some other really arcane and hilarious ways to
die?
- Drew
Douglas Henke
> But seriously, what are some other really arcane and hilarious ways to
> die?
Jumping out of a bear trap.
Grappling yourself with a hook.
Axing a hard object.
Wedging into a narrow crevice.
Eating a rotten lump of royal jelly.
Drinking an unrefrigerated[sic] sip of juice.
Drinking scalding water from a sink.
Using a magical horn on yourself.
Sitting on an iron spike.
Sitting in lava.
Falling victim to dangerous winds.
Being killed by boiling water.
Rusting away.
-- DGH, killed by touching the edge of the universe.
Richard Bos
> Using a magical horn on yourself.
This should not be possible. You have the horn on your lips when you use
it; you cannot direct it both away from you _and_ towards you.
Richard
Paul E Collins
> > Using a magical horn on yourself.
>
> This should not be possible. You have the horn on
> your lips when you use it; you cannot direct it both
> away from you _and_ towards you.
Doesn't your neck bend?
P.
Dan Sommers
Unless the horn is shaped like a French Horn and not like a bugle.
OTOH, *that* would make it [more] difficult to use on a monster....
Regards,
Dan
--
Dan Sommers
<http://www.tombstonezero.net/dan/>
Douglas Henke
Horns are curved. Elves are very limber. That's what I hear, anyway.
Lars Kecke
> I'm struggling to think of a situation where two blessed tins of spinach
> would be the best wish. Perhaps one in which food absolutely must be eaten
> in as few turns as possible?
while fainting and surrounded by monsters?
Lars
sjde...@yahoo.com
> If two blessed tins of spinach aren't in the wishing spoiler,
> perhaps they should be.
They are, or were.
Richard Bos
Not through over 90 degrees, no.
But you could possibly stick your hand or foot out and blow a horn at
that.
Richard
Martin Read
>> Doesn't your neck bend?
>
>Not through over 90 degrees, no.
I can bend my head forward until my chin is resting on the junction of
my collarbones. If I had a beer gut, this would be plenty far enough to
be able to direct at least some kinds of horn at myself.
--
Martin Read - my opinions are my own. share them if you wish.
\_\/_/ http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~mpread/dungeonbash/
\ / "tempted white eyes blinded by the night hollow like the towers from the
\/ inside laura's a machine she's burning insane" fields of the nephilim
Link
Maybe you use horns in the same mysterious way that you use figurines.
[I'm still not sure what I'm actually doing when I (a)pply a figurine]
Kevin Wayne
>
> Maybe you use horns in the same mysterious way that you use figurines.
> [I'm still not sure what I'm actually doing when I (a)pply a figurine]
>
neck, of course.
--
Kevin Wayne
"Stark raving sane."
--Rosencrantz and Guildenstern
Matt Frisch
the ether:
>Hold the horn in your right hand. Put your left hand in front of the
>horn. When you use the horn it hits your left hand.
Which is not something that should be fatal...
I can however, easily see you aiming a horn down and hitting yourself in
the upper thigh/midsection area, depending on just how long the horn is.
Kevin Wayne
> On 20 Sep 2005 04:53:20 -0700, "Link" <chill...@yahoo.com> scribed into
> the ether:
>
>>Richard Bos wrote:
>>
>>> both away from you _and_ towards you.
>>Hold the horn in your right hand. Put your left hand in front of the
>>horn. When you use the horn it hits your left hand.
>
> Which is not something that should be fatal...
>
> I can however, easily see you aiming a horn down and hitting yourself in
> the upper thigh/midsection area, depending on just how long the horn is.
Is everyone in this thread under the impression that the horn itself
must be straight? A shofar isn't.
Richard Bos
No, but you're easily able to point the ray anywhere. This seems to
indicate that it points away from you, rather than over your shoulder.
Richard
Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner
> No, but you're easily able to point the ray anywhere. This seems to
> indicate that it points away from you, rather than over your shoulder.
If it can point anywhere, perhaps it's a Hosaphone(tm).
http://roth-music.com/hosaphone/
I see that nethack does not yet include the ability to swing the horn in
a circle around your head while playing it, though...
--
Oh to have a lodge in some vast wilderness. Where rumors of oppression
and deceit, of unsuccessful and successful wars may never reach me
anymore.
-- William Cowper
David A. Roth
DeWitt Weiner" <j...@panix.com> wrote:
> Richard Bos <r...@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl> wrote:
>> No, but you're easily able to point the ray anywhere. This seems to
>> indicate that it points away from you, rather than over your shoulder.
>
> If it can point anywhere, perhaps it's a Hosaphone(tm).
> http://roth-music.com/hosaphone/
> I see that nethack does not yet include the ability to swing the horn in
> a circle around your head while playing it, though...
You are correct. The beloved, revered and mostly plastic Hosaphone(tm)
employs plastic as a major design element allowing it to play flexi-free and
be totally transparent to players and listeners alike. With the
Hosaphone(tm), you can effectively perform the Doppler effect (aka
HosaTwirl(tm) ) without sustaining a severe neck injury. To enjoy a
performance of this amazing instrument, one only need visit this URL:
http://roth-music.com/hosaphone/codetta/
where you will enjoy, "Codetta in C for Hosaphone(tm), Piano and Bass" as it
was broadcasted on the syndicated Dr. Demento Radio Show.
Dylan O'Donnell
> "Drew Levitt" <drew....@yale.edu> writes:
> > But seriously, what are some other really arcane and hilarious ways to
> > die?
[snip some]
> -- DGH, killed by touching the edge of the universe.
I think we came to the conclusion that this last isn't currently
possible (that is, while present in the code, reaching it requires a
combination of terrain that doesn't yet exist in the game). If you
_have_ actually died this way, I'd be interested to know the
circumstances.
--
: Dylan O'Donnell http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/ :
: "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." :
: -- Ciszek's Adaptation of Clarke's Third Law :
Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner
> Being killed by boiling water.
> Rusting away.
> -- DGH, killed by touching the edge of the universe.
A few more include:
Bumping into a tree. (Also "wall" or "door" or "boulder", but trees
are rarer.)
An exploding rune.
Crashing into iron bars.
Exhaustion.
Cursed throne.
Electric chair.
Douglas Henke
> I think we came to the conclusion that [touching the edge of the
> universe] isn't currently possible (that is, while present in the
> code, reaching it requires a combination of terrain that doesn't yet
> exist in the game). If you _have_ actually died this way, I'd be
> interested to know the circumstances.
I haven't; just saw the message in the code. I agree with you that it
appears to be a safety check for a "never happens" condition, rather
than an actual part of regular play.
micromoog
>
> Maybe you use horns in the same mysterious way that you use figurines.
> [I'm still not sure what I'm actually doing when I (a)pply a figurine]
Not to mention unicorn horns . . .
Little White Mouse
> D'oh, the Horn of Plenty would've been a great idea, I think it would have
> worked out great. I thought about the spinach as I still need str a lot,
> but I was worried that I'd die before I successfully opened it; I'd been
> fainting for some time already..
You wished, you ate, you lived - no complaining here!
I woulda starved to death and thought about it after DYWYPI?
Or fainted on top of all the food, never to wake...
--LWM
BWIGLEY
news:Q9D*bG...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
> r...@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) wrote:
> >"Paul E Collins" <find_my_re...@CL4.org> wrote:
> [regarding self-direction of magical horns]
> >> Doesn't your neck bend?
> >
> >Not through over 90 degrees, no.
>
> I can bend my head forward until my chin is resting on the junction of
> my collarbones. If I had a beer gut, this would be plenty far enough to
> be able to direct at least some kinds of horn at myself.
I think someones in denial...