YAFAP Valeria-Val-Hum-Neu (sort of)
Frode Aleksandersen
scummed (yes I know >_<, but those days are behind me now) several years ago
on an older version (there wasn't even steeds in the game then) and I really
haven't played it since. I've forgotten most of it, and some things have
changed or added as well.
Anyway, after several YASDs and one YAAD lately (left dungeon with a fake
amulet -_-) I was going for the "safe" ascension this time. No holds barred,
polypile, wish, genocide etc Valkyrie.
I got lucky really early on and found a ring shop. I used my pet to clean
out most of it, and bought the rest. Good points were levitation, free
action, poly+control, tele control, warning, AoLS. Bad points were that most
of the good rings were inedible. At this point I didn't know what rings were
what, so I saved them up for later identification.
As I came down into mine town three of the shops had a magic lamp in them,
one of them blessed. That first wish immediately went into a SDSM.
Previously I'd wish for GDSM at this point, but this time I wanted to try a
different game. Putting reflection in the body armor slot would free up both
the amulet one (for AoLS) and/or the shield one (for #twoweapon - never done
that before either). The other reason is that early in the game you're still
very vulnerable to sleep wands and the like, and with reflection it would be
the attacker having a problem. I saved the other two lamps; one as a
permanent light source, the other for a potential later wish.
The rest of the mines were pretty painless, and I even found some gauntlets
of ogre power. I didn't hit a real snag until Sokoban. The chest had an AoR
instead of the BoH I needed. At this point I was more or less constantly
managing my inventory trying not to get burdened. Potions and scrolls I
didn't need at the time were stashed in chests located around the dungeon.
Luck would return my way again though when I found a polymorph wand. Some
select piling later, and those unicorn horns I'd been saving up gave me what
I sought.
My basic kit was almost ready (got Mjollnir from offering), but I was
lacking speed boots. I skipped the quest, and more or less headed straight
down to the castle. Some fancy flying later through the back door, and no
boots in the armory. Plan B worked though and the first wish went to
fooproof boots. Second to PYEC. Next ones were helm of telepathy, cloak of
protection and a magic marker. I really like the telepathy since that means
I can stash away the orb of fate most of the time, and instead just use it
for level teleport. PYEC already gives me magic protection so I figured a
CoP would be the best bang for the wish, so to speak. Good AC early was a
goal this time.
I headed up to my base of operations at lvl21 (co-aligned altar with
priest), and poly'd a bit before the quest. This wasn't really necessary,
but it got rid of a lot of junk scrolls/potions that took up space and
weight - and gave me the armor and weapon enchantment you see in the end
game. At this point my gear was overkill for the quest, and I cleaned house
fast. Headed back down to the valley of the dead, did protection racket,
killed priest, headed back up to base camp, and got extra protection there
too. It was only at this point that I finally used the polymorph rings. That
got me some extra protection (down to -2AC naked) along with searching
intrinsic. The latter was extremely useful down in gehennom for the special
levels.
The rest of the game was fairly anti-climatic really. In the astral plane I
ended up having to check all three altars before finally ending up at the
correct one. Famine and pestilence went under from a WoD fast, and Death
himself died in about two hits (I was surprised). At most I was 50 HP down
from my max I think.
Things that didn't go as planned:
- I never got teleport control intrinsic (damn you tengu!)
- I never saw a single teleport wand in the game at all
- I wasted several wishes in vain trying to get magicbane, and ended up
genociding mind flayers and all liches just in case
- I ran out of holy water at the end and was just running straight for the
win in the hope I wouldn't get too much stuff cursed
- I almost YASD to a cockatrice corpse after killing Rodney the first time.
I was going down the stairs and didn't notice that the corpse and Book of
the Dead had made me burdened. Thankfully AoLS saved the day.
- I could probably have gotten a way better score had I bothered to bring my
stash of gems from base camp, but didn't want to bother with the extra
weight.
So, what next? I think I've more or less covered the Valkyrie angle. Any
suggestions?
At any rate, the dirty data:
Amulets
m - an uncursed amulet of life saving (being worn)
t - an uncursed amulet of life saving
Weapons
p - the rustproof +7 Mjollnir (weapon in hand)
J - a blessed +6 silver saber (wielded in other hand)
Armor
l - an uncursed rustproof +4 pair of gauntlets of power (being worn)
o - a blessed rustproof +5 helm of telepathy (being worn)
q - a blessed greased fireproof +5 cloak of protection (being worn)
M - a blessed fireproof +4 pair of speed boots (being worn)
U - a blessed +4 Hawaiian shirt (being worn)
V - a blessed +5 silver dragon scale mail (being worn)
Comestibles
Z - a cursed lizard corpse
Potions
c - 2 blessed potions of full healing
Rings
f - an uncursed ring of slow digestion (on right hand)
j - a cursed ring of levitation
D - an uncursed ring of free action (on left hand)
E - an uncursed ring of teleport control
Wands
h - a wand of death (0:2)
i - a wand of digging (0:1)
v - a wand of slow monster (0:0)
x - a cursed wand of lightning (0:0)
y - a wand of secret door detection (0:8)
B - a wand of cold (0:1)
F - a wand of death (0:0)
G - a cursed wand of fire (0:6)
H - a wand of cancellation (0:3)
K - a cursed wand of striking (0:3)
L - a wand of wishing (1:0)
R - a wand of magic missile (0:0)
W - a wand of magic missile (0:7)
Tools
b - an uncursed towel
d - the blessed Orb of Fate (0:5)
n - a blessed greased bag of holding named main
I - an uncursed magic lamp (lit)
N - the blessed Platinum Yendorian Express Card
P - an uncursed skeleton key
S - a blessed +0 unicorn horn
Gems
(1 of 2)
Contents of the bag of holding named main:
an uncursed ring of free action
a blessed scroll of remove curse
a cursed scroll of charging
a wand of lightning (0:2)
a wand of fire (0:6)
an uncursed magic whistle
a magic marker (1:50)
a cursed scroll of teleportation
a blessed tinning kit (0:41)
a blessed ring of conflict
a wand of cold (0:8)
a wand of cold (0:4)
a wand of cold (0:7)
a can of grease (0:12)
3 uncursed scrolls of create monster
1782 gold pieces
an uncursed scroll of light
an uncursed scroll of teleportation
a +0 pick-axe
10 blessed scrolls of identify
a wand of sleep (0:5)
a wand of lightning (0:0)
a wand of sleep (0:4)
11 blessed potions of full healing
a potion of unholy water
an uncursed potion of water
an uncursed potion of invisibility
an uncursed potion of oil
an uncursed potion of sleeping
a cursed potion of blindness
2 uncursed scrolls of blank paper
a wand of digging (0:5)
a wand of digging (0:8)
3 uncursed scrolls of gold detection
a blessed scroll of teleportation
a wand of lightning (0:4)
a wand of cold (0:7)
a wand of lightning (0:3)
a wand of magic missile (0:3)
a wand of fire (0:3)
an uncursed lizard corpse
an uncursed stethoscope
15 uncursed food rations
--More--
Final Attributes:
You were piously aligned.
You were fire resistant.
You were cold resistant.
You were sleep resistant.
You were disintegration-resistant.
You were shock resistant.
You were poison resistant.
You were magic-protected.
You saw invisible.
You were telepathic.
You were warned.
You had automatic searching.
You were invisible to others.
You were stealthy.
You could teleport.
You had slower digestion.
You were protected.
You were very fast.
You had reflection.
You had free action.
Your life would have been saved.
You were wielding two weapons at once.
You were extremely lucky.
You had extra luck.
Good luck did not time out for you.
You survived after being killed once.
--More--
Vanquished creatures:
Baalzebub
Orcus
Yeenoghu
Juiblex
The Wizard of Yendor (5 times)
Death
Pestilence (twice)
Famine
a high priest
4 mastodons
Medusa
7 krakens
4 iron golems
a ki-rin
9 storm giants
a titan
3 glass golems
5 balrogs
13 purple worms
6 gray dragons
3 silver dragons
3 red dragons
4 white dragons
3 orange dragons
a black dragon
6 blue dragons
6 green dragons
2 yellow dragons
12 minotaurs
Lord Surtur
3 baluchitheria
16 Angels
Vlad the Impaler
11 stone golems
16 Olog-hai
5 Nazguls
11 pit fiends
6 hell hounds
5 titanotheres
9 trappers
3 baby silver dragons
a baby orange dragon
a baby black dragon
2 guardian nagas
a disenchanter
38 vampire lords
5 skeletons
2 shopkeepers
26 aligned priests
9 captains
6 shades
5 clay golems
5 nurses
9 ice devils
3 nalfeshnees
5 lurkers above
2 Aleaxes
8 frost giants
5 ettins
3 golden nagas
28 black puddings
29 vampires
11 lieutenants
52 ghosts
3 queen bees
2 winged gargoyles
a mind flayer
16 giant mimics
8 zruties
38 fire giants
12 ogre kings
10 ice trolls
15 rock trolls
6 umber hulks
2 flesh golems
9 Elvenkings
a doppelganger
10 hezrous
9 bone devils
8 large mimics
3 wumpuses
3 fire vortices
11 long worms
4 couatls
11 stalkers
5 air elementals
6 fire elementals
10 earth elementals
5 water elementals
13 hill giants
8 giant mummies
6 black nagas
7 xorns
27 giant zombies
26 elf-lords
21 sergeants
5 barbed devils
20 vrocks
3 salamanders
20 wargs
4 winter wolves
8 hell hound pups
23 small mimics
5 glass piercers
5 warhorses
8 steam vortices
17 xans
6 ettin mummies
7 ogre lords
16 quantum mechanics
43 trolls
a sasquatch
6 wood golems
3 erinyes
9 mariliths
a djinni
5 sharks
6 electric eels
12 gelatinous cubes
5 pyrolisks
4 large dogs
4 freezing spheres
9 flaming spheres
11 shocking spheres
6 large cats
11 tigers
9 gargoyles
15 tengu
14 ochre jellies
12 leocrottas
3 energy vortices
5 mountain centaurs
7 stone giants
10 elf mummies
7 human mummies
4 red nagas
7 green slimes
5 pit vipers
7 pythons
14 cobras
58 wraiths
4 carnivorous apes
22 ettin zombies
11 leather golems
12 Grey-elves
64 soldiers
4 horned devils
3 succubi
4 incubi
12 chameleons
7 crocodiles
39 giant beetles
8 quivering blobs
29 cockatrices
11 wolves
22 winter wolf cubs
3 lynxes
4 panthers
52 gremlins
3 spotted jellies
61 leprechauns
6 orc-captains
6 iron piercers
5 mumakil
9 giant spiders
15 scorpions
8 horses
5 ice vortices
7 black lights
16 vampire bats
9 forest centaurs
11 gnome kings
6 orc mummies
6 dwarf mummies
12 ogres
2 brown puddings
7 rust monsters
19 owlbears
9 yetis
3 gold golems
12 Green-elves
2 piranhas
10 giant eels
17 lizards
7 chickatrices
4 dogs
4 dingos
3 housecats
6 jaguars
2 dwarf lords
12 blue jellies
8 white unicorns
7 black unicorns
11 dust vortices
11 ravens
12 plains centaurs
4 gnome mummies
5 snakes
11 apes
24 human zombies
6 rope golems
22 Woodland-elves
50 soldier ants
79 fire ants
22 bugbears
6 imps
3 lemures
14 quasits
5 wood nymphs
5 water nymphs
7 mountain nymphs
6 Mordor orcs
43 Uruk-hai
5 orc shamans
12 rock piercers
9 rock moles
6 ponies
5 fog clouds
16 yellow lights
9 violet fungi
19 gnome lords
13 gnomish wizards
5 kobold mummies
a black naga hatchling
2 guardian naga hatchlings
8 gray oozes
4 barrow wights
17 elf zombies
22 ghouls
4 straw golems
4 paper golems
6 jellyfish
a baby crocodile
52 giant ants
a little dog
17 floating eyes
5 kittens
17 dwarves
4 homunculi
5 kobold lords
3 kobold shamans
30 hill orcs
8 rothes
3 rabid rats
4 centipedes
4 giant bats
a monkey
14 orc zombies
34 dwarf zombies
3 wererats
9 werejackals
18 iguanas
99 killer bees
3 acid blobs
3 coyotes
5 gas spores
9 hobbits
26 manes
6 large kobolds
32 hobgoblins
14 giant rats
8 cave spiders
3 brown molds
6 yellow molds
6 green molds
2 red molds
68 gnomes
5 garter snakes
12 gnome zombies
9 geckos
21 jackals
3 foxes
a kobold
8 goblins
6 sewer rats
6 grid bugs
3 bats
7 lichens
14 kobold zombies
7 newts
2995 creatures vanquished.
--More--
Genocided species:
hobbits
dwarves
bugbears
dwarf lords
dwarf kings
mind flayers
master mind flayers
liches
demiliches
master liches
arch-liches
green slimes
rust monsters
disenchanters
14 species genocided.
--More--
Voluntary challenges:
You genocided 14 types of monsters.
You used 7 wishes.
--More--
Farvel Valeria the Demigod...
You went to your reward with 4628158 points,
The Orb of Fate (worth 3500 zorkmids and 8750 points)
Mjollnir (worth 4000 zorkmids and 10000 points)
The Platinum Yendorian Express Card (worth 7000 zorkmids and 17500 points)
2 amulets of life saving (worth 300 zorkmids),
and 1918 pieces of gold, after 66868 moves.
You were level 29 with a maximum of 418 hit points when you ascended.
Andrew D. Hilton
> fooproof boots. Second to PYEC. Next ones were helm of telepathy, cloak of
> protection and a magic marker. I really like the telepathy since that means
> I can stash away the orb of fate most of the time, and instead just use it
why on earth would you want to stash the orb of fate?
It confers half damage- which is a Mega Good Thing.
> - I wasted several wishes in vain trying to get magicbane, and ended up
> genociding mind flayers and all liches just in case
if you leave liches alive, some of them carry athames- which you could
use for Engraving...
> So, what next? I think I've more or less covered the Valkyrie angle. Any
> suggestions?
>
Try a wizard- rather different from a valk, but still one of the easier
classes to ascend.. [Valk and wizard were my first and second ascensions
respectively]
> Potions
> c - 2 blessed potions of full healing
you know you can drink these to get more max hp- right?
--
Andrew D. Hilton
Frode Aleksandersen
> It confers half damage- which is a Mega Good Thing.
Because it's extremely heavy and usually makes me burdened when exploring.
I'd pick up a scroll or potion and go burdened - and then have to stash in
the BoH. Even then I couldn't go long before I got put over the limit. My
character was pretty overkill by the time I went down the gehennom stairs
(-40AC), so I never really needed the half damage. After cleaning up my
inventory for the end game I brought it out again just in case, since I had
no idea what the planes were going to be like.
> if you leave liches alive, some of them carry athames- which you could
> use for Engraving...
Hmm.. now that's an idea. I think I'd rather not have my items cursed in the
first place, but it's something to think about for a challenge.
> Try a wizard- rather different from a valk, but still one of the easier
> classes to ascend.. [Valk and wizard were my first and second ascensions
> respectively]
Sounds like a plan :)
> > Potions
> > c - 2 blessed potions of full healing
>
> you know you can drink these to get more max hp- right?
Look in my bag of holding - there's 11 more there. My last failed ascension
attempt I actually used 5 of those because of tag teaming by dual Rodneys
and the High Priest. I had no instakill, and the summons were pretty nasty.
A FH pot heals about 400+, so I figured I'd have a decent safety margin. The
2 in the main inventory were for quick quaffing. I was paranoid, and wanted
this one to be an absolute win :).
/frode
Andrew D. Hilton
> first place, but it's something to think about for a challenge.
>
by the time you find liches, you should have *some* way to engrave [like
wands]-- fight carefully and you can get an athame unscathed..
> Look in my bag of holding - there's 11 more there. My last failed ascension
> attempt I actually used 5 of those because of tag teaming by dual Rodneys
> and the High Priest. I had no instakill, and the summons were pretty nasty.
> A FH pot heals about 400+, so I figured I'd have a decent safety margin. The
> 2 in the main inventory were for quick quaffing. I was paranoid, and wanted
> this one to be an absolute win :).
with 13 of them, id rather go for the extra 104 max hp
--
Andrew D. Hilton
Frode Aleksandersen
> wands]-- fight carefully and you can get an athame unscathed..
I thought Elbereth didn't protect you from distance attacks like curses?
That's my real problem with liches really, not so much the actual monster
itself, but having to use blessed scrolls of remove curse and holy water to
restore the inventory to normal use. Having to rewrite it just because the
lich in question flees to the closest stairs is a pain.
That was also the problem with Rodney this ascension, but to a lesser
degree - I ran out of holy water re-blessing some of my gear.
/frode
Andrew D. Hilton
>> wands]-- fight carefully and you can get an athame unscathed..
>
> I thought Elbereth didn't protect you from distance attacks like curses?
> That's my real problem with liches really, not so much the actual monster
> itself, but having to use blessed scrolls of remove curse and holy water to
> restore the inventory to normal use. Having to rewrite it just because the
> lich in question flees to the closest stairs is a pain.
>
well, its not that Elbereth protects you from any attack actually- its
that it scares the monsters so that they dont attack you.
monsters wont cast spells at you if they are scared..
also- holy water is cheap and easy by that point in the game- take all
the potions you are never going to use, go swimming (or find some fountains,
or water walk, etc) , collect them, #dip into one potion of holy water, now
you have many...
As far as them going to the stairs- only the purple Ls [master/arch liches]
do that afaik- the plain and demi lich varieties wont do it- you encounter
them way first- they can carry athames too... also, if you check the level
telepathically when you come down stairs [and are standing on the up]- you
can see if there are purple Ls, if so engrave and wait for it to come to you-
you are on the <, so it cant get away.
--
Andrew D. Hilton
Martin Read
>On 2004-09-06, Frode Aleksandersen <fr...@nani.spamtrappage.no> wrote:
>> I thought Elbereth didn't protect you from distance attacks like curses?
>> That's my real problem with liches really, not so much the actual monster
>> itself, but having to use blessed scrolls of remove curse and holy water to
>> restore the inventory to normal use. Having to rewrite it just because the
>> lich in question flees to the closest stairs is a pain.
>
>well, its not that Elbereth protects you from any attack actually- its
>that it scares the monsters so that they dont attack you.
>
>monsters wont cast spells at you if they are scared..
The fear check is only made when the monster is very close to you and
in line of sight. 6 times out of 7, it only makes them flee for 1d10
turns. Monsters that are not adjacent to you will still cast haste
self, cure self, invisibility, aggravate monster, summon nasties, and
double trouble. Some monsters that can be summoned by summon nasties
are unconcerned by the name of the Queen of the Valar. (Specifically,
elf-lords, Elvenkings, and minotaurs.)
You are correct that they will not cast direct attack spells if they
can't attack you in hand-to-hand combat, however, so while on Elbereth
you will not be subjected to wizardly attack spells except those cast by
Thoth Amon (human), the Wizard of Yendor (human), the Dark One (human),
ki-rin (lawful minion), Archons (lawful minion), Neferet the Green
(human), guides (human), and apprentices (human).
So yes, Her name will protect you from being cursed by liches.
--
Martin Read - my opinions are my own. share them if you wish.
Daniel Zinsli
> N - the blessed Platinum Yendorian Express Card
Congratulations, but be careful when your only source of magic
resistance is a artifact - some monster like to steal artifacts, and
sometimes the same monster likes to cast finger of death :)
Could have been a YAAD :o
--
Daniel Zinsli
Oslo, Norway
Frode Aleksandersen
>
> Congratulations, but be careful when your only source of magic
> resistance is a artifact - some monster like to steal artifacts, and
> sometimes the same monster likes to cast finger of death :)
The orb of fate also confers magic resistance, and unless said monster can
steal the PYEC and cast FoD in one turn I should have time to get it out
from the bag of holding.
/frode
Martin Read
>The orb of fate also confers magic resistance,
False. It confers 50% spell damage reduction. 50% spell damage reduction
will not in any way protect you from the "touch of death" spell.
Frode Aleksandersen
I could have sworn I read the OoF gave you magic resistance from a spoiler I
read a while ago. I must have confused it with the Orb of Detection. Guess
I'll go for a cloak of magic resistance next time instead of protection.
Eyes of the overworld is another option.
Thanks for the correction :).
/frode
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Vorg the Sapient
>> N - the blessed Platinum Yendorian Express Card
>
>Congratulations, but be careful when your only source of magic
>resistance is a artifact - some monster like to steal artifacts, and
>sometimes the same monster likes to cast finger of death :)
Hmm... don't covetous monsters only steal _your_ quest artifact?
Vorg
Igor D. WonderLlama
Yes. Unless I am playing a conduct game, if I get the chance I get
another class' quest artifact with magic resistance. It frees up a
valuable slot, and has been pretty darn safe in my experience.
Daniel Zinsli
> "Vorg the Sapient" writes:
> > Hmm... don't covetous monsters only steal _your_ quest artifact?
>
> Yes. Unless I am playing a conduct game, if I get the chance I get
> another class' quest artifact with magic resistance. It frees up a
> valuable slot, and has been pretty darn safe in my experience.
Ah, thanks for the info, I didn't realize this.