ADOM-- Won, but a few questions...
Victor B. Putz
Well, after a grueling endgame and lots of saved-game cheating (yes,
I'm a big ol' cheater, because I tend to waste WAY too much time on
games if I don't finish them quickly-- sad, but true), I finally
sealed the dang portal.
A few things, though:
1) I never was able to get into the darn Rift-- first I was not
courageous enough (which I fixed by upping my willpower), but then I
was not "competent" enough. Eh? I was level 50 by the time I came
back out of the dwarven dungeon AFTER finishing the game, and it STILL
wouldn't let me climb down! Low climbing score maybe?
2) Can grey elves simply not eat stomafillia herbs? They always
"rummaged around in my stomach" and killed me. No, I did read the
faq-- they weren't cursed ( in fact, some were blessed, with similar
results ). As a result, I was on the edge of starvation most of the
time, even with a pile of cooked lizards (the only ratling food which
did me any good). Darn grey elves-- sensitive tummies. Can't even
eat roaches or worms.
3) How in th' heck do you finish the endgame without cheating? Lots
of work with a forge, I suppose (I had DV/PV around 32/35), which I
never had much luck with. The "teleport directly to the switches"
idea was good, but I never found enough magic mapping scrolls (I was a
Mindcrafter, who, as it turned out, was LOUSY at memorizing spells but
great at the mindcraft stuff).
Just curious. Good game, very impressive overall, but I'm glad it's
over. I really was spending way too much time on it... (grin).
-->VPutz
Matt Chatterley
On Mon, 3 Feb 1997, Victor B. Putz wrote:
> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 05:47:30 GMT
> From: "Victor B. Putz" <vp...@nyx.cs.du.edu>
> Newsgroups: rec.games.roguelike.misc
> Subject: ADOM-- Won, but a few questions...
>
> Well, after a grueling endgame and lots of saved-game cheating (yes,
> I'm a big ol' cheater, because I tend to waste WAY too much time on
> games if I don't finish them quickly-- sad, but true), I finally
> sealed the dang portal.
>
> A few things, though:
>
> 1) I never was able to get into the darn Rift-- first I was not
> courageous enough (which I fixed by upping my willpower), but then I
> was not "competent" enough. Eh? I was level 50 by the time I came
> back out of the dwarven dungeon AFTER finishing the game, and it STILL
> wouldn't let me climb down! Low climbing score maybe?
IIRC you need a very high climbing skill, yes.
> 2) Can grey elves simply not eat stomafillia herbs? They always
> "rummaged around in my stomach" and killed me. No, I did read the
> faq-- they weren't cursed ( in fact, some were blessed, with similar
> results ). As a result, I was on the edge of starvation most of the
> time, even with a pile of cooked lizards (the only ratling food which
> did me any good). Darn grey elves-- sensitive tummies. Can't even
> eat roaches or worms.
This means the herbs were cursed.. doesn't it? No? WIerd.. perhaps grey
elves are just fussy. I'll have to try this one out. Who can eat roaches
and worms? I never had the nerve to try ;)
BTW Thomas: Shouldn't Trolls be able to eat things like rats that make
other races sick? They can eat anything else pretty much ;) Or Maybe
Dwarves, who according to one popular MF writer just love rats.. ;)
> 3) How in th' heck do you finish the endgame without cheating? Lots
> of work with a forge, I suppose (I had DV/PV around 32/35), which I
> never had much luck with. The "teleport directly to the switches"
> idea was good, but I never found enough magic mapping scrolls (I was a
> Mindcrafter, who, as it turned out, was LOUSY at memorizing spells but
> great at the mindcraft stuff).
Dunno. ;)
> Just curious. Good game, very impressive overall, but I'm glad it's
> over. I really was spending way too much time on it... (grin).
>
> -->VPutz
>
>
>
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Jordan Thomas
Trolls can eat rats. at least my level 22 troll weaponsmith can
he has a huge heap of them. Of course he has to eat an aweful
lot of them just to get satiated.
On more serious note, Thomas why is it that Beserker Emperors and
Beserker Kings can bypass my armor and almost wipe me out.
My DV is something like 34 and my PV is like 39 *thanks to lots
of smithing on stuff* Any reason or are they just to beserk
and have a higher chance of doing so....if this is the case
it is real annoying.
Happy clubbing,
Justen Meltz
Victor B. Putz wrote:
> 1) I never was able to get into the darn Rift-- first I was not
> courageous enough (which I fixed by upping my willpower), but then I
> was not "competent" enough. Eh? I was level 50 by the time I came
> back out of the dwarven dungeon AFTER finishing the game, and it STILL
> wouldn't let me climb down! Low climbing score maybe?
You need high willpower, 100 climbing, and a climbing set (a low
encumbrance
helps too, regardless of str).
> 3) How in th' heck do you finish the endgame without cheating? Lots
> of work with a forge, I suppose (I had DV/PV around 32/35), which I
> never had much luck with. The "teleport directly to the switches"
> idea was good, but I never found enough magic mapping scrolls (I was a
> Mindcrafter, who, as it turned out, was LOUSY at memorizing spells but
> great at the mindcraft stuff).
Well, most of my chars, even the non-smiths, have DV/PV in the 60's
or better by endgame (the best was 90/90 or so, achieved with no
smithing).
Although my current human wizard was at 40/40 and won pretty easily.
My first win (all done without any cheats) was a Troll Barbarian. He
just hack'n'slashed thru everything, wielding an artifact axe and sword.
His strength and toughness were above 70, and he had nearly 1300
hitpoints,
plus a DV/PV of 65/85. The only thing which hurt him was the aging
effect of
ghost lord critical hits. He survived via potions of youth.
My next char was a druid. Pretty wimpy, but I was impatient to win.
One
scroll of magic mapping, combined with controlled tele, let me close the
gate. I eventually killed all the badies at my leisure. Once you
complete
the game, it is easier the next time, because the levers to close the
gate
are always in the same spot. Heck, with knowledge and controlled tele,
I've
had a 7-th level wizard raid the artificer's cave. Just teleport into
all
the stockpile rooms and tele out. Ha! Easy way to get some good wpns
and
armor.
My toughest char was a dwarf ranger. Here, with DV/PV of 90/95 and
wielding
Rolf's Companion and Holy Justifier, I simply walked thru the
opposition.
Try a fighter-type class. I've had great luck with barbarians,
beastfighters
and rangers. They allow you to cut through the opposition pretty easily
(just
watch out for those ghost lords!).
Justen
John Fouhy
In article <Pine.LNX.3.95.97020...@insanity.itl.net>,
Matt Chatterley <ne...@itl.net> wrote:
> BTW Thomas: Shouldn't Trolls be able to eat things like rats that make
> other races sick? They can eat anything else pretty much ;) Or Maybe
You mean you've never tried?
"What a tiny snack."
> Dwarves, who according to one popular MF writer just love rats.. ;)
Hear hear! ;-) Remember who's running the forge...
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Matt Chatterley
On 4 Feb 1997, John Fouhy wrote:
> Date: 4 Feb 1997 07:48:13 GMT
> From: John Fouhy <jfo...@atlantis.actrix.gen.nz>
> Newsgroups: rec.games.roguelike.misc
> Subject: Re: ADOM-- Won, but a few questions...
>
> In article <Pine.LNX.3.95.97020...@insanity.itl.net>,
> Matt Chatterley <ne...@itl.net> wrote:
> > BTW Thomas: Shouldn't Trolls be able to eat things like rats that make
> > other races sick? They can eat anything else pretty much ;) Or Maybe
>
> You mean you've never tried?
>
> "What a tiny snack."
I'm blushing over this one, I was convinced for some reason they couldn't
(I haven't tried recently, maybe the couldn't in the past, or I was just
confused). Oops. :)
> > Dwarves, who according to one popular MF writer just love rats.. ;)
>
> Hear hear! ;-) Remember who's running the forge...
*cackle*
> --
> / John Fouhy, Wellington, New Zealand | e-mail: jfo...@actrix.gen.nz \
> | Student of Wellington College | The Turtle Moves! | Fidonet: 3:771/300.9 |
> \ "Thou whoreson, Z, thou unnecessary letter" _King Lear_, Bill Shaxpere /
>
>
Justen Meltz
Matt Chatterley wrote:
> > 2) Can grey elves simply not eat stomafillia herbs? They always
>
> elves are just fussy. I'll have to try this one out. Who can eat roaches
> and worms? I never had the nerve to try ;)
Perhaps the char had the poison hands corruption. I've lost a
few characters from this... I get the corruption in a big battle
and the message scrolls by without me noticing it... Being hungry
after the battle, I start munching on a blessed stomafillia...
Next thing I know, I'm dead from starvation. Lost a 43-rd level
druid this way. Almost tempts one to use the savefile cheat.
Justen
Jordan Thomas
Ok if trolls and dwarves eat small rats why can't dwarves eat
orc corpses. I always get the message "No self respecting dwarf
would do that" Why? a corpse is a corpse and if your hungry it
shouldn't matter as long as it feeds you.
Mythias al'Kadin
Dwarves won't lower themselves to eat an orc corpse because they loathe
the entire orcish clan. It seems strange that they'll eat ogres as well.
They think that orcs are the filthiest and most loathesome creatures on
the face of the planet and would never stoop so low as to do anything like
that..
Ronald Neumann
Mythias al'Kadin (myt...@cdsnet.net) wrote:
Still beats me why they'd rather starve than eat a dead orc.Dwarves *really*
care about their principles,it seems.
Concerning dwarves i got the idea for a really silly item which i hope
will never get implemented:
the dwarf bread
is registered as food,and you can *try* to eat it.However,whenever you
attempt,you look at it for a while and finally decide you'd rather eat
say,your boots of sneakiness [+0,+0] {+4Dex} (or any other item made
of an organic material in your inventory).Good for a last-ditch effort
to fend off starvation by digesting your scrolls,books,leather/wood
items.
William Tanksley
In an article, e1...@rs85.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Ronald Neumann) wrote:
>: Dwarves won't lower themselves to eat an orc corpse because they loathe
>: the entire orcish clan. It seems strange that they'll eat ogres as well.
>: They think that orcs are the filthiest and most loathesome creatures on
>: the face of the planet and would never stoop so low as to do anything like
>: that..
>Still beats me why they'd rather starve than eat a dead orc.Dwarves *really*
>care about their principles,it seems.
You've obviously never tried this when you were starving, have you.
-Billy
Victor B. Putz
>Perhaps the char had the poison hands corruption. I've lost a
>few characters from this... I get the corruption in a big battle
>and the message scrolls by without me noticing it... Being hungry
>after the battle, I start munching on a blessed stomafillia...
>Next thing I know, I'm dead from starvation. Lost a 43-rd level
>druid this way. Almost tempts one to use the savefile cheat.
Ooo. Yeah, he was a poison-drippin' fellow at the time, though it
didn't SEEM to affect anything already in the inventory (like my pile
o' lizards). I did get the "glows green" message for any food I
picked up, though (...but it didn't say anything weird about it when I
ate that stuff...).
There are probably only a few things more frustrating than finding a
potion of cure corruption when you have the poison hands corruption
and picking it up before you think about the fact that that just turns
it into a potion of poison. BOY did I ever feel stupid.
You have to wonder, too, what the rejoicing populace thought about
their sulphur-breathin', cloven-hooves-havin', poison-drippin'
antennae-wearin' ten-eyed melonhead saviour.
Hurm. Fun game, though-->VPutz
Chris D Koeberle
Victor B. Putz (vp...@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: You have to wonder, too, what the rejoicing populace thought about
: their sulphur-breathin', cloven-hooves-havin', poison-drippin'
: antennae-wearin' ten-eyed melonhead saviour.
You know, I work at a help desk. And while we're allowed to read news,
we're still not supposed to laugh uncontrollably. Oh well.
--
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Rich Puchalsky
: Victor B. Putz (vp...@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: : You have to wonder, too, what the rejoicing populace thought about
: : their sulphur-breathin', cloven-hooves-havin', poison-drippin'
: : antennae-wearin' ten-eyed melonhead saviour.
Actually, the population does care! If you win the game heavily
corrupted, then you have a miserable life afterwards as the population
remembers you in their stories, but not in their hearts -- basically
they like to talk about you when they can't see your horribly mutated
form, but ostracize you in person. Only if you win with relatively
low corruption do you get to be king/queen.
--
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Adam K Rixey
Martin Read <mp...@hermes.cam.ac.uk> writes:
> Because dwarves regard orcs as something horrid and utterly unclean. And
> because Thomas, quite reasonably, is of the opinion that adventurers
> shouldn't go around eating every goddamn monster they kill. I tend to
> concur (this is why kobolds make you sick etc.), though I do eat most
> edible corpses (saves money/weight!)
Kobold corpses can be remarkably good, though. For one thing,
they're fairly common. Get a healer/priest with Cure Disease, start
eating kobold shamans, and your mana score will skyrocket.
AkR nya...@andrew.cmu.edu http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~nyarl
Wasn't there a thing that I did that gave you pleasure?
Wasn't there a thing that I did that made you laugh?
Torsten Edelmann
RN> Still beats me why they'd rather starve than eat a dead orc.Dwarves
RN> *really* care about their principles,it seems.
Well, there are fates worse than death ... for a dwarf apparently eating an orc
is such a fate.
Sayonara...
Sorcy-B; killed by a hallucinogen-distorted horned devil
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Thomas Biskup
Jordan Thomas <an...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
> Ok if trolls and dwarves eat small rats why can't dwarves eat
> orc corpses. I always get the message "No self respecting dwarf
> would do that" Why? a corpse is a corpse and if your hungry it
> shouldn't matter as long as it feeds you.
Dwarves despise orcs. Since they have to keep a certain level of
dignity, they won't sink that far ;-)
--
Thomas Biskup
ADOM maintainer
Official ADOM webpage available at http://users.aol.com/ADOMDev/index.html
Thomas Biskup
Ronald Neumann <e1...@rs85.zfn.uni-bremen.de> wrote:
> Mythias al'Kadin (myt...@cdsnet.net) wrote:
> : Dwarves won't lower themselves to eat an orc corpse because they loathe
> : the entire orcish clan. It seems strange that they'll eat ogres as well.
> : They think that orcs are the filthiest and most loathesome creatures on
> : the face of the planet and would never stoop so low as to do anything like
> : that..
Did you *really* ever try it while you were starving?