roguelike most similar to basic D&D...

[hot]

Greetings. My first post on this group. I've been playing Rogue Clone
for a couple years. Enjoy the game a lot, never won. I tried Nethack,
too complex for my leisure time. Looked at a few others, either too
involved or more similar to Lord of the Rings than D&D.

Which rouguelike is the most similar to Basic D&D (came out in the 70s
I believe), not Advanced D&D?

Basic D&D was always my favourite as it was only moderately complex,
much simpler than Advanced D&D rules. Rogue Clone by comparison is
quite simplistic and not really D&D (different monsters, different
spells, etc.).

In your opinions, which roguelike is the most similar to Basic D&D,
including the following:

*Character creation: Allows for basic character creation using primary
'D&D stats' (STR, INT, DEX, WIS, etc) but without all the extra
complexities of special skills, complex races and classes.

*Basic D&D type gameplay: Similar Basic D&D armour, weapons, spells,
levelling, monsters, etc.

*No religion type stuff: No gods, worshipping, prayer, alters, etc. I
enjoy the basic character alignments (good vs evil) but don't want any
of the religious stuff.

Thanks for your help,

Marty

[Michal Bielinski]

Marty wrote:
> Greetings. My first post on this group. I've been playing Rogue Clone
> for a couple years. Enjoy the game a lot, never won. I tried Nethack,
> too complex for my leisure time. Looked at a few others, either too
> involved or more similar to Lord of the Rings than D&D.
>
> Which rouguelike is the most similar to Basic D&D (came out in the 70s
> I believe), not Advanced D&D?

Welcome!

I heard about ADND where the 'A' stood for 'another'. It was later renamed
to Valley of Neustria. Author himself decided not maintain any website for
the game. You need to either email him and ask for files or visit RLG Club.
Also, I have not played this game. See for yourself whether it is what you
would like to play.

RogueBasin has some information about the game:
http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php/The_Valley_of_Neustria

People at RLG Club have archived the old DOS version as well as DX9 port:
http://zip.rlgclub.ru/lib.php?d=ADND&s=n&o=asc

--
Michal Bielinski

[R. Alan Monroe]

hot <haek...@gmail.com> wrote in news:7ad435fa-b542-4454-8991-ba9a159babb7
@k27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:

> *Basic D&D type gameplay: Similar Basic D&D armour, weapons, spells,
> levelling, monsters, etc.

Larn, maybe. It has pretty traditional spells like magic missile, cold,
lightning, walk through walls, etc.

Also see http://www.heroicfantasygames.com/index.htm

Alan

[hot]

On Aug 8, 7:10 pm, "R. Alan Monroe" <amonro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> hot <haeke...@gmail.com> wrote in news:7ad435fa-b542-4454-8991-ba9a159babb7

Thanks Alan. Larn is too complex for my needs (buying/selling,
university, etc). I'm really looking for an enjoyable relativley
simple roguelike, but not simple enough to be a coffeebreak game.
Knights of the Chalice looks very good and detailed, but again not
really what I'm looking for. Any other suggestions for a relatively
simple Basic D&D type roguelike are appreciated...something along the
lines of Rogue Clone or the original Hack. Too bad TSR/Wizards of the
Coast never made roguelikes based on their rulesets.

Marty

[hot]

On Aug 8, 2:44 pm, Michal Bielinski <dungeon_kee...@tlen.pl> wrote:
> Marty wrote:
> > Greetings. My first post on this group. I've been playing Rogue Clone
> > for a couple years. Enjoy the game a lot, never won. I tried Nethack,
> > too complex for my leisure time. Looked at a few others, either too
> > involved or more similar to Lord of the Rings than D&D.
>
> > Which rouguelike is the most similar to Basic D&D (came out in the 70s
> > I believe), not Advanced D&D?
>
> Welcome!
>
> I heard about ADND where the 'A' stood for 'another'. It was later renamed
> to Valley of Neustria. Author himself decided not maintain any website for
> the game. You need to either email him and ask for files or visit RLG Club.
> Also, I have not played this game. See for yourself whether it is what you
> would like to play.
>

> RogueBasin has some information about the game:http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php/The_Valley_of_Ne...

>
> People at RLG Club have archived the old DOS version as well as DX9 port:http://zip.rlgclub.ru/lib.php?d=ADND&s=n&o=asc
>
> --
> Michal Bielinski

Thanks for the information. Valley of Neustria was too graphic intense
and the old dos version gave me a runtime error during gameplay.

I'm trying out the original Hack - seems pretty good so far.

I've also spent some time playing Forgotten Realms Dungeon Hack from
1993 (TSR, SSI, Dreamforge), which is based on AD&D 2nd edition rules.
Although not a true roguelike, this is the closest single-player
computer game I found so far similar to Basic D&D.

I'm still searching for the perfect old roguelike similar to Basic
D&D, so if anyone's got any other suggestions that would be great.

Marty

[R. Alan Monroe]

hot <haek...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:829cfcc1-4c28-4a4e...@k8g2000yqk.googlegroups.com:

> Thanks Alan. Larn is too complex for my needs (buying/selling,
> university, etc).

It's not as complicated as it looks on first glance since the store
items are always the same, and the university is just trading time/money
for stat boosts.

Alan

[Ido Yehieli]

On 08/11/2011 02:24 , hot wrote:
> On Aug 8, 7:10 pm, "R. Alan Monroe"<amonro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> hot<haeke...@gmail.com> wrote in news:7ad435fa-b542-4454-8991-ba9a159babb7
>> @k27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> *Basic D&D type gameplay: Similar Basic D&D armour, weapons, spells,
>>> levelling, monsters, etc.
>>
>> Larn, maybe. It has pretty traditional spells like magic missile, cold,
>> lightning, walk through walls, etc.
>>
>> Also seehttp://www.heroicfantasygames.com/index.htm
>>
>> Alan
>
> Thanks Alan. Larn is too complex for my needs (buying/selling,
> university, etc). I'm really looking for an enjoyable relativley
> simple roguelike, but not simple enough to be a coffeebreak game.

Well, if I may tout my own game:

You might enjoy Cardinal Quest, which just went public this morning:

http://www.cardinalquest.com

-Ido.

[Jürgen Lerch]

Saluton!

Am Mittwoch, den 10.08.2011, 17:11 -0700 schrieb hot:
> I'm still searching for the perfect old roguelike similar to Basic
> D&D, so if anyone's got any other suggestions that would be great.

Well, as we're in rgr.development - how about writing one?

(Many years ago I actually started writing a BD&D _RPG_, but of
course I never got it even nearly finished.)

Ad Astra!
JuL

--
jur...@gmx.net / Never disturb a dragon, for you will
Jürgen ,,JuL'' Lerch / be crunchy and taste good with ketchup

[hot]

Alan - I'll give Larn another try and i'm presently also trialing
XRogue and SRogue.

Ido - Contratulations on your new game but not exactly what i'm
looking for.

JuL - I don't know the first thing about programming or developing
roguelikes...just enjoy other people's creations. Sorry if i posted
into the wrong forum.

I appreciated all your responses, especially since this newsgroup
seemed almost dead. Any other Basic D&D type roguelike suggestions are
welcome.

Roguelikes are the best computer gaming genre ever created - creative,
complex yet simple, focus on gameplay and replayability rather than
eye candy, can be developed by a single person, easy on system
resources, cross platform, etc but i guess roguelike development
subscribers already know this!

Marty

[Jeff Lait]

On Aug 6, 12:53 pm, hot <haeke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings. My first post on this group. I've been playing Rogue Clone
> for a couple years. Enjoy the game a lot, never won. I tried Nethack,
> too complex for my leisure time. Looked at a few others, either too
> involved or more similar to Lord of the Rings than D&D.
>
> Which rouguelike is the most similar to Basic D&D (came out in the 70s
> I believe), not Advanced D&D?

That's easy, Wrath of Ashardalon:
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/product.aspx?x=dnd/products/dndacc/214420000

I've been playing this recently and whether intentionally or not, they
have made what is quite arguably a very pure roguelike experience. My
main nitpick would be their insistence on having two types of
distances, tile and square, rather than just sticking with square
measurements.
--
Jeff Lait
(POWDER: http://www.zincland.com/powder)

[hot]

Thanks Jeff but Wrath of Ashardalon is a board game. I'm looking for a
true-to Basic D&D computer-based roguelike. For now I'll stick with
Rogue Clone...until me finds something i like better. Any other
suggestions welcome - please see my first post.

Thanks,

Marty

[Forgotte...@hotmail.com]

pretty late on the draw, but you may be interested in "incursion" it's completely based on D&D, the version is later, but as for a game that has all the trappings of character creation, the complexity of the actual game itself, is basically all wrapped up into that Rogue-like. it's a bit rough, but i think it might scratch that itch. if you're looking for simpler ones, Linley's Crawl, The Slimy Lichmummy, Brogue... Frozen Depths... those are good ones for just a simple, yet involving rogue-like. if you want something just plain good, that will actually get you hooked, Caves Of Qud is pretty much perfect, intuitive menu system, difficult, and in depth character creation, but not so that it takes you 5 hours to make one. pretty much Fallout in a Rogue-like. post apocalypse, mutants, fun stuff. fun stuff.

[vryu...@gmail.com]

I'm surprised no one mentioned it, but there is a Basic D&D 'roguelike' out there. It is called 'DnD'. It just has the basic classes, allows you to roll the main stats, etc. It has some magic items, but it is basically a dungeon crawl game. You can actually leave the dungeon and there is a shop for characters at the main menu, but it's just a place to spend your gold.

The only thing about DND is that it tends to be just a little too simple at points :) It kept me entertained for weeks as a kid, though.

I just downloaded it again the other day, I can't remember from where. I might have found it on one of those big abandonware sites.

[Gerry Quinn]

In article <7cfbc436-7c13-4f97...@googlegroups.com>,
vryu...@gmail.com says...

> On Wednesday, August 17, 2011 10:21:57 AM UTC-4, hot wrote:

> > > > Which rouguelike is the most similar to Basic D&D (came out in the 70s
> > > > I believe), not Advanced D&D?
> > >
>

> I'm surprised no one mentioned it, but there is a Basic D&D 'roguelike' out there. It is called 'DnD'. It just has the basic classes, allows you to roll the main stats, etc. It has some magic items, but it is basically a dungeon crawl game. You can actually leave the dungeon and there is a shop for characters at the main menu, but it's just a place to spend your gold.
>
> The only thing about DND is that it tends to be just a little too simple at points :) It kept me entertained for weeks as a kid, though.
>
> I just downloaded it again the other day, I can't remember from where. I might have found it on one of those big abandonware sites.

I'm in the beta of a game called Card Hunter which is a computer CCG in
which a character's gear provides the cards for his deck. Gameplay is
via a series of skirmishes. Despite the 3-man party and the card
drawing, it has a very roguelike *and* DnD feel.

Beta is open, so roguelike enthusiasts may care to apply.

- Gerry Quinn