need some ex-(holy|divine) being beside fallen angel
Konstantin Stupnik
And is it ok if fallen angel will deal 'divine' damage?
It's not true angel anymore, but still have divine roots, right?
It's not about theology or something.
I have divine damage, which is very effective against undead.
But I think I need some creatures that are inflicting divine damage.
konijn_
wrote:
> subj :)
* Dante writes of 'old gods' ( egyptian, greek, roman gods ) that
were banished to Hell to make place for the one true God.
So you could use Elder Gods or Fallen Gods in your game, they could be
end bosses.
*You could introduce Zealots, they're always good to unthinkingly
attack players with divine wrath ;)
> And is it ok if fallen angel will deal 'divine' damage?
> It's not true angel anymore, but still have divine roots, right?
> It's not about theology or something.
Well, that did really sound like a theological question ;) But yeah,
as long as you are happy with consistency of your story, you're fine..
> I have divine damage, which is very effective against undead.
> But I think I need some creatures that are inflicting divine damage.
I would think creatures with fire/light attacks and bless/curse
capacities should be effective against undead as well.
T.
Gerry Quinn
says...
WHAT??? YOU DARE TO MAKE A HERETICAL ROGUELIKE??? YOU MUST BURN!!!
Seriously, seems fine to me - the theotechnology of your game is up to
you after all. And many games include some evil creatures that can
still use holy magic. (One of the Four Horsemen in WoW for example.)
- Gerry Quinn
Gelatinous Mutant Coconut
entangled with earthly matter at the time of creation. Acts like a gas
spore, but explodes with a blast of holy energy.
"Zealous Missionary", a wandering priest that attempts to smite
undead, purify the wicked and entice good adventurers to join the holy
mission. Actually this priest is most dangerous to good adventurers
with low wisdom / willpower, as they can get charmed into picking
fights with dangerous evil monsters. Still, the missionary will try to
keep you well with minor heals and blessings; they truly want you to
succeed in your quest against evil, but won't be heartbroken if you
should become martyred in the process.
From D&D: "Ur-Priests", basically evil godless priests that get their
powers by siphoning the divine powers that gods broadcast to their
followers.
Paul Donnelly
A "blessed" X, where X is a creature that drank holy water/slept on an
altar, or whatever. Not necessary that these events or locations
actually occur in-game, of course.
Jotaf
> A "blessed" X, where X is a creature that drank holy water/slept on an
> altar, or whatever. Not necessary that these events or locations
> actually occur in-game, of course.
Some "good" magical creatures could use holy magic. Off the top of my
head I can think of unicorns and fairies; other creatures from
fairytales could apply.
If the player is evil, most human foes should use holy magic against
him, especially if he uses undead minions. But assuming the player is
good, magical creatures using holy damage are inherently good and so
shouldn't attack the player unless provoked. Maybe he can skip that
resistance if he never expects to turn bad :)
Jotaf
Darren Grey
wrote:
Well how about an angel/divine being that is extremely fervent in
punishing the impure, with rather extreme ideals of purity? If you've
committed any sort of sin then it get all Old Testament on your arse.
--
Darren Grey
konijn_
Technically, according to Leviticus, the Old Testament doesnt want to
have anything to do with your arse...
>
> --
> Darren Grey
Pikalek
The AD&D 3rd edition monster manuals have a strong handful of good &/
or lawfully aligned entities that place codes of conduct above
individuals (e.g. archon, lumi, arcadian avenger, . To borrow from
that them, you could have a divine entity patrolling a level, ready to
put the smite down on a player that initiated an attack on some other
creature. Or maybe the player got too close to some zombies for too
long & now some crazed paladin feels compelled to burn out any taint
(maybe 1 hp per round spent next undead)?
The other option I see is to pick through some manner of angelic/
religious reference such as:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy_of_angels
Next, grab your thesaurus or head over to Wordnet & look for
modifiers:
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=corrupt
Finally, mash them: Tainted Seraphim, Subverted Principalities, Dire
Druid, Zealous Templar & so forth.
Ray
As I understand it, originally they were all angels, and some
of them working on Earth fell in love with humans and had
children (called "Nephilim") that had angelic power but human
appetites and frailties, and the Nephilim started causing a
lot of trouble.
God said the Nephilim weren't part of His Plan and had to be
exterminated, and their parents, both mortal and angel, got
upset about that decision and tried to hide their kids from
the Angel charged with murdering them all. This resulted in
the first (and as far as anyone knows, the only) civil war
in heaven. God being omnipotent, the rebels lost and got cast
out.
So the fallen - the ones we call devils and demons - are
actually the same kind of life as angels, possibly even brothers
and sisters (whatever that means w/r/t genders) to angels
still in the service of heaven.
So think about the scenario with a war. You don't *just* get
winners and losers. You also get draft dodgers and deserters
and survivors and displaced populations and refugees. You get
POWs, victims of wartime atrocities and people on both sides
who did things they hope nobody ever finds out about. You get
soldiers who were 'sacrificed' tactically by their commanders
but somehow survived anyway and now bear both sides a grudge.
You get mercenaries and profiteers, you get people whose
personalities were broken by torture, and you get people whose
personalities were broken by being torturers. You get war
babies born to soldiers of opposing sides and the parents of
war babies who keep hidden wherever they can hide so they
can be with their kids (and if they're very lucky, also with
their co-parents). You get spies whose cover held when the
war was over and who quietly "went native," either in the
enemy country or the contested territory. And so on, forever.
There are a lot of angles in war. Most of them horrible.
And as one of Gaiman's characters said in _Neverwhere_, "Angels
don't often go bad, but when they go bad, they go bad the
_worst_...."
So think about your angel/devil lifeform, the kind of being
that was engaged in this war, and ring the changes. You wind
up with everything from feral savages who were never part of
either side to major demons (or angels) who got fed up with
war and "retired" from their service to Hell (or Heaven) by
faking their own deaths and "going native" on earth. To, just
maybe, a few surviving Nephilim that got hidden well enough
to escape the slaughter.
Give them whatever names you want. But if you scratch the
mythology, and apply modern thoughts about what war does to
people, it could get pretty interesting.
Bear
konijn_
> Konstantin Stupnik wrote:
> > subj :)
>
> > And is it ok if fallen angel will deal 'divine' damage?
> > It's not true angel anymore, but still have divine roots, right?
>
> > It's not about theology or something.
> > I have divine damage, which is very effective against undead.
> > But I think I need some creatures that are inflicting divine damage.
>
> As I understand it, originally they were all angels, and some
> of them working on Earth fell in love with humans and had
> children (called "Nephilim") that had angelic power but human
> appetites and frailties, and the Nephilim started causing a
> lot of trouble.
>
> God said the Nephilim weren't part of His Plan and had to be
> exterminated, and their parents, both mortal and angel, got
> upset about that decision and tried to hide their kids from
> the Angel charged with murdering them all. This resulted in
> the first (and as far as anyone knows, the only) civil war
> in heaven. God being omnipotent, the rebels lost and got cast
> out.
I much prefer the version where some Angels refused to bow for Man and
started a war over it.
I also prefer the version where the Nephilim problem was fixed through
the great Flood ;)
Finally, when you say "human appetites", you are right in more than
one way..
T.
<Snip>
Ray
> On Nov 30, 12:56 am, Ray <b...@sonic.net> wrote:
>> God said the Nephilim weren't part of His Plan and had to be
>> exterminated, and their parents, both mortal and angel, got
>> upset about that decision and tried to hide their kids from
>> the Angel charged with murdering them all. This resulted in
>> the first (and as far as anyone knows, the only) civil war
>> in heaven. God being omnipotent, the rebels lost and got cast
>> out.
> I much prefer the version where some Angels refused to bow for
> Man and started a war over it.
> I also prefer the version where the Nephilim problem was fixed
> through the great Flood ;)
Sure. There are thousands of variations on this bit of mythology.
It's foundational to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam and has been
written about (in different versions) by everybody. There's even
one version where Satan is the angel with the greatest love of God
and left heaven and started the whole rebellion as a jealous
tantrum because he cannot bear the knowledge that God loves men
more. Pick and choose as you like. Mix and match. Be creative.
> Finally, when you say "human appetites", you are right in more than
> one way..
Oh, yes, some of them ate people. Of course, so did some people.
Bear
Darren Grey
> > Finally, when you say "human appetites", you are right in more than
> > one way..
>
> Oh, yes, some of them ate people. Of course, so did some people.
Heh, makes me think of another powerful divine force a PC could
contend with - a sort of angelic devourer that intends to absorb the
PC's power to become stronger. It's doing it for the greater good, of
course, and will only absorb truly lawful and pure PCs, in a
Highlander-esque attempt to become strong enough to defeat the main
baddie.
--
Darren Grey