Rise and Fall of programming languages
corremn
interesting. Obviously Objective-C will rule the world in 5 years...
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
Would love to see the same stats for roguelike programming languages.
narf_the_mouse
By the delta on May 2010, C# has a higher growth rate. And the
Objective-C spike on the chart is probably just Mac users realizing
that, yes, Macs can be improved. A lot.
Hey, you went hyperbolic first! :D
Ido Yehieli
Last year Lua was in the 20th place. This year it is 12th.
If we plot the function of position on the chart over time, next year
Lua will be the 4th most popular language! And in 2013 it will be so
popular it will be off the char entirely!!
Krice
> If we plot the function of position on the chart over time, next year
> Lua will be the 4th most popular language!
It's funny because Lua isn't even a programming language.
Filip Dreger
Of course not. Everyone knows it's an airport code for Lukla in Nepal.
Filip
Martin Read
Please teach me your strange moon language where something you can write
basically an entire roguelike in isn't a programming language.
--
\_\/_/ turbulence is certainty turbulence is friction between you and me
\ / every time we try to impose order we create chaos
\/ -- Killing Joke, "Mathematics of Chaos"
Krice
> Please teach me your strange moon language where something you can write
> basically an entire roguelike in isn't a programming language.
So Lua isn't just a scripting language?
That's news.
alex23
2001 called, they'd like their narrow-minded debate back.
Darren Grey
Surely you're not implying that a roguelike developer could be living
in the past...? ;)
--
Darren Grey
Martin Read
"Just a scripting language" is an idiotically dismissive description
of most widely used programming languages referred to as scripting
languages; the only languages in routine use today that it's fair to
refer to as "just" a scripting language are the various Unix shells.
narf_the_mouse
...Y'know, while not disagreeing, I gotta wonder if you read XKCD...
alex23
> ...Y'know, while not disagreeing, I gotta wonder if you read XKCD...
I do, yes, are you referring specifically to the "someone is wrong on
the internet" strip? :)
Sorry, I do admit I have a knee jerk reaction to the seemingly endless
amount of incorrect and ignorant crap that's spouted about interpreted
languages in general, and Python in particular.
Wally the Grey
Actually, the Objective-C spike on the chart is app developers writing
for the iPhone and iPad, which Apple insists can only be programmed in
Objective-C.
narf_the_mouse
Nope, the one where he demonstrates that, if a past year calls, they
have better things to ask about than to get something back.
I was being pointlessly humorous, rather than pointedly humorous.
As for arguing on the internet, it is rather futile.
narf_the_mouse
Would they, by any chance, be selling stuff to program in Objective-C
with? Or in control of how you program using Objective-C?
konijn_
wrote:
Nah, check out PhoneGap and Corona..
T.
corremn
Is not!
narf_the_mouse
Is to!
Also, you're a booger.
Ido Yehieli
You can program the iphone & ipad in a plethora of languages.
-Ido.
Wally the Grey
Yes, just so long as they're Objective-C, or, occasionally, C, C++, or
JavaScript:
Ido Yehieli
That article is out of date - apple reversed that policy shortly shortly
after introducing it.
Wally the Grey
> On 05/13/2011 02:41 , Wally the Grey wrote:
>> On 12/05/2011 11:06 AM, Ido Yehieli wrote:
>>>
>>> You can program the iphone & ipad in a plethora of languages.
>>
>> Yes, just so long as they're Objective-C, or, occasionally, C, C++, or
>> JavaScript:
>>
>> http://surgeworksmobile.com/iphone/apples-iphone-os-4-new-terms-and-conditions-to-kill-flash-cs-5-rhodes-and-appcellerator-titanium
>
> That article
supports my claim. Sure, it mentions three other languages, but a)
JavaScript will be in the Safari browser so web sites will mostly work
in it (if they don't rely on Flash or full-blown Java) and b) anyone
programming in C or C++ will end up pushed to Objective-C anyway simply
because all the libraries and APIs for the iPhone will be Objective-C
ones and more awkward to call from C or C++ than from Objective-C.
Ido Yehieli
> On 13/05/2011 5:34 PM, Ido Yehieli wrote:
>> On 05/13/2011 02:41 , Wally the Grey wrote:
>>> On 12/05/2011 11:06 AM, Ido Yehieli wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You can program the iphone & ipad in a plethora of languages.
>>>
>>> Yes, just so long as they're Objective-C, or, occasionally, C, C++, or
>>> JavaScript:
>>>
>>> http://surgeworksmobile.com/iphone/apples-iphone-os-4-new-terms-and-conditions-to-kill-flash-cs-5-rhodes-and-appcellerator-titanium
>>>
>>
>> That article
>
> supports my claim.
Did you read the rest of my reply beyond the first 2 words?
Apple has reversed the policy your article talks about. You can use
languages beyond these 4 now.
Wally the Grey
> On 05/14/2011 05:29 , Wally the Grey wrote:
>> On 13/05/2011 5:34 PM, Ido Yehieli wrote:
>>> On 05/13/2011 02:41 , Wally the Grey wrote:
>>>> http://surgeworksmobile.com/iphone/apples-iphone-os-4-new-terms-and-conditions-to-kill-flash-cs-5-rhodes-and-appcellerator-titanium
>>>
>>> That article
>>
>> supports my claim.
>
> Did you read
Yes, of course I read the article.
Ray
> Krice <pau...@mbnet.fi> wrote:
>>On 8 touko, 13:28, Martin Read <mpr...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>> Please teach me your strange moon language where something you can write
>>> basically an entire roguelike in isn't a programming language.
>>
>>So Lua isn't just a scripting language?
>
> "Just a scripting language" is an idiotically dismissive description
> of most widely used programming languages referred to as scripting
> languages; the only languages in routine use today that it's fair to
> refer to as "just" a scripting language are the various Unix shells.
Heh. Now someone's going to do a roguelike in BASH just for the heck
of it.
Bear
alex23
> Heh. Now someone's going to do a roguelike in BASH just for the heck
> of it.
Already done: http://tacticalbread.info/hairquest/
It's hard to have a crazy idea and not find an instance of it
somewhere on the net :)
alex23
By 'article' are you referring to the _blog post_ you linked to? The
one written 5 months _before_ the changes to the policy Ido mentions
above by someone not a lawyer and therefore clearly unqualified to be
commenting on what it means? _That's_ your primary evidence? Hell, if
that's all it takes, I've got a link here somewhere that'll convince
you that time is a CUBE!!!!
Your instance on retaining your position of ignorance is just amazing.
Wally the Grey
> Wally the Grey<hpars...@usa.net.nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Yes, of course I read the article.
>
> By 'article' are you referring to the _blog post_ you linked to?
Of course
> your position of ignorance
What do you hope to accomplish by spitting ad homs at people?