[V] Genocide Questions
Andrew Fabbro
Genocide...until now. I'm playing Angband 2.9.3 vanilla at the
moment. So I read the spoiler but it didn't answer all my
questions...
(*) If I cast it, I take 1d4 per monster 'cided. But in my experiment
with it, I got no experience. Is that how it's supposed to work?
Seems like if I'm taking the risk (and damage), I should get some
reward, but I suppose that'd lead to near-instant zooming to level 50.
(*) If I understand correctly, Genocide will kill all monsters of a
letter type - so typing Z at the question will kill Fire Hounds, Cold
Hounds, Air Hounds, etc. Right?
(*) Despite the fact that the spoiler doesn't say so, I'm guessing
this doesn't work on uniques ;)
(*) Can you die from Genociding? If so, when would you use it? Seems
like the risks (instant death) would always outweigh the rewards,
making it a pretty useless spell.
(*) If I understand the spoiler, Mass Genocide has a more limited
range (perhaps so you know what you're getting into?) and slightly
less damage (1d3 vs. 1d4). So do most people not really use Genocide
much and use Mass Genocide?
Bloodthirstily,
-Drew
Jonathan Ellis
"Andrew Fabbro" <andrew-wan...@fabbro.org> wrote in message
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> I've never had a Mage leveled up to the point where he could cast
> Genocide...until now. I'm playing Angband 2.9.3 vanilla at the
> moment. So I read the spoiler but it didn't answer all my
> questions...
>
> (*) If I cast it, I take 1d4 per monster 'cided. But in my
experiment
> with it, I got no experience. Is that how it's supposed to work?
Yes. Genocided monsters = no XP and no drop.
> Seems like if I'm taking the risk (and damage), I should get some
> reward, but I suppose that'd lead to near-instant zooming to level
50.
You're not taking anything like as much risk as if you fought the
monsters properly.
> (*) If I understand correctly, Genocide will kill all monsters of a
> letter type - so typing Z at the question will kill Fire Hounds,
Cold
> Hounds, Air Hounds, etc. Right?
All monsters of a letter type *that are currently on the level*. More
can be generated on the level in subsequent turns by random monster
generation, and of course they can be generated on future dungeon
levels.
> (*) Despite the fact that the spoiler doesn't say so, I'm guessing
> this doesn't work on uniques ;)
No, it doesn't.
> (*) Can you die from Genociding? If so, when would you use it?
Seems
> like the risks (instant death) would always outweigh the rewards,
> making it a pretty useless spell.
You can die if you are trying to genocide too many monsters with too
few hit points. For instance, the time when you really want to use
genocide is when you get surrounded by Ancient Dragons or Greater
Demons in the endgame - often there are only a couple of dozen
monsters there, but they are *dangerous* monsters and you're not in a
position to fight them all at once.
> (*) If I understand the spoiler, Mass Genocide has a more limited
> range (perhaps so you know what you're getting into?) and slightly
> less damage (1d3 vs. 1d4). So do most people not really use
Genocide
> much and use Mass Genocide?
Mass Genocide = *ALL* non-unique monsters within the radius - there is
no prompt for a letter. Again, the rules are the same: no XP, no drop,
just get rid of them. There may be more, or less, monsters within the
radius. For instnace, you might use Mass Genocide when there is a
Graveyard nearby, because there are plenty of monsters of different
letters and they're all dangerous.
Genocide is a *get out of danger* spell, not a "kill the monsters"
spell. Or it's a "get rid of the annoying low-level crap" spell - for
instance if you can't be bothered to take out an orc pit at 3500' and
you have the hps to survive genociding an entire orc pit's worth of
them.
You'd use single Genocide on "D" if "It summons Ancient Dragons",
because you don't necessarily want to get rid of anything but the
dragons. But if "It summons Greater Undead", then there's L, V and W,
so it would take THREE genocide spells to get rid of them, by which
time you are dead because if you kill the L's first, then the
Nightcrawlers(W) breathe nether and if you kill the W's first then the
Black Reavers (L) cast mana storm, so you get rid of them both at
once.
Jonathan.
Werner Baer
"Andrew Fabbro" <andrew-wan...@fabbro.org> schrieb...
> (*) If I cast it, I take 1d4 per monster 'cided. But in my experiment
> with it, I got no experience. Is that how it's supposed to work?
Yes.
The monsters are not killed, just removed. You don't get XP or items.
> (*) If I understand correctly, Genocide will kill all monsters of a
> letter type - so typing Z at the question will kill Fire Hounds, Cold
> Hounds, Air Hounds, etc. Right?
Yes.
And its dangerous to genocide 'Z', unless you have many hit points.
> (*) Despite the fact that the spoiler doesn't say so, I'm guessing
> this doesn't work on uniques ;)
Correst.
You can't even genocide '@'
> (*) Can you die from Genociding?
Yes.
'Killed by the strain of casting genocide'
> If so, when would you use it? Seems
> like the risks (instant death) would always outweigh the rewards,
> making it a pretty useless spell.
If you want to get rid of the dangerous escorts of some high
level monsters (say groups of black reavers)
If a part of the level is blocked by monsters
(say chaos tiles in old Z versions)
If there are some monsters in a vault that are too tough for you
If there are some elementals in a vault, and you don't want them to
destroy any items
If you are very deep without poison resist or high hit points
(genocide 'g' each level since drolems don't show up on ESP.
Be warned that they can be generated afterwards)
> (*) If I understand the spoiler, Mass Genocide has a more limited
> range (perhaps so you know what you're getting into?) and slightly
> less damage (1d3 vs. 1d4). So do most people not really use Genocide
> much and use Mass Genocide?
Different uses.
Mass genocide is more useful for looting vaults, and getting rid off
summoned creatures.
Genocide is used for removing a dangerous or annoying type of creature
from the whole level.
Werner.
Jiamat
> I've never had a Mage leveled up to the point where he could cast
> Genocide...until now. I'm playing Angband 2.9.3 vanilla at the
> moment. So I read the spoiler but it didn't answer all my
> questions...
>
> (*) If I cast it, I take 1d4 per monster 'cided. But in my experiment
> with it, I got no experience. Is that how it's supposed to work?
> Seems like if I'm taking the risk (and damage), I should get some
> reward, but I suppose that'd lead to near-instant zooming to level 50.
Yes.
> (*) If I understand correctly, Genocide will kill all monsters of a
> letter type - so typing Z at the question will kill Fire Hounds, Cold
> Hounds, Air Hounds, etc. Right?
Yes
> (*) Despite the fact that the spoiler doesn't say so, I'm guessing
> this doesn't work on uniques ;)
You guessed right.
> (*) Can you die from Genociding? If so, when would you use it? Seems
> like the risks (instant death) would always outweigh the rewards,
> making it a pretty useless spell.
Yes. Be carefull.
> (*) If I understand the spoiler, Mass Genocide has a more limited
> range (perhaps so you know what you're getting into?) and slightly
> less damage (1d3 vs. 1d4). So do most people not really use Genocide
> much and use Mass Genocide?
>
Genocide deletes all monsters (except uniques) of the specified letter. Many
would consider it one of, if not the, best spell in the game.
You detect time hounds coming towards you. Genocide removes them.
You see a high level unique and its escort (black reavers etc.). Genocide
removes them.
You see a vault with many nice items but lots of nasty monsters. Genocide
removes them.
Mass genocide reduces the risk of death and is more usefull against vaults or
countering summon greater undead (mix of L,V,W).
Most people store mass genocide scrolls for the last fight if they don't have
the spell.
Mars
<snip>
> Different uses.
>
> Mass genocide is more useful for looting vaults, and getting rid off
> summoned creatures.
>
> Genocide is used for removing a dangerous or annoying type of creature
> from the whole level.
level upon entering it, that is after having leveled to clev 50. Often he took
out all the s'es (him and drujs *hated* each other), e's and occasionally a's
and S'es as well, all monsters not really worth fighting and with low or no
drops. This ofcourse only after making sure there were no nasties near the
stairs ;).
Mass geno can indeed best be used when fighting a summoning unique or looting
vaults, stuff of that sort.
--
Mars
Of course there is no formula for success except perhaps an unconditional
acceptance of the RNG and what it brings.