Dying? Try this!
David Seale
I keep hearing your stories of death on Angband so try this:
When you save your game, save two copies. eg my two copies are "Dave" and
"Dave2". If you die, or sell and un-ide'd sword and it turns out to be
Ringil, then quit (thus autosaving) and reload a game. If you hit the
wrong one, reload the other!! I have been doing this all my life and
rather assumed somebody here would have figured this out.
You can also use this to avoid wasting identify scrolls on junk. Sell your
treasure and take a note of what is good/bad. Reload. Sell the junk
and identify the good stuff.
Do still post your SPECTACULAR cockups though - I love reading them.
Only the spectacular ones. :-)
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Dark Half
Actually, this is done and is known as "save scumming"... Very frowned
upon, as it is considered cheating. Might as well just play in wizard
mode... :|
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Divia
>
> Hello all.
>
> I keep hearing your stories of death on Angband so try this:
>
> When you save your game, save two copies. eg my two copies are "Dave" and
> "Dave2". If you die, or sell and un-ide'd sword and it turns out to be
> Ringil, then quit (thus autosaving) and reload a game. If you hit the
> wrong one, reload the other!! I have been doing this all my life and
> rather assumed somebody here would have figured this out.
>
> You can also use this to avoid wasting identify scrolls on junk. Sell your
> treasure and take a note of what is good/bad. Reload. Sell the junk
> and identify the good stuff.
>
> Do still post your SPECTACULAR cockups though - I love reading them.
> Only the spectacular ones. :-)
>
> Graham
I think most know this is a possibility, but consider it cheating and
don't do it. I personally use save file backups all the time and quit
without saving all the time too, but it is considered cheating and many
say it decreases their enjoyment of the game
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Haxson
I used to do this until last week, mostly for educational reasons, but
when running the compos I realized it had made me too careless. "Oh,
new monster. Fun. Wonder what it can do. Let's find out. If it's too
nasty I always have the savefile backup..." I don't think that's the
way to play this game.
And, of course, two days after I quit the 'cheating', my level 47
warrior with dam. 66d6+1145 (yes, it's true) bit the dust after
setting off a summoning trap next to a rotting Q... He is permanently
deceased (although I miss him).
/Haxson
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Most all of us who started playing roguelikes while not in contact with a
group of fellow players assumed that the lack of persistent saves was a bug
or cockup! I savescummed like a fiend early in my Moria days. I laughed
hysterically when I was eventually told that people considered this
cheating. "But that's IMPOSSIBLE!"
Eventually I started playing 'properly'. It's a hell of a lot more fun.
More surprise, too. More tension. Far more satisfaction at doing well, much
less winning.
Most importantly, heavy (ab)use of savefiles makes for very, very bad play
habits. Half the things I'd learned to do while cheating Moria killed me at
100' when I played straight. It was a painful process to unlearn all my bad
habits. Now that I've done it, though, I'll never go back. Exploring a new
variant that is, essentially, totally unknown...What Fun!
Mind you, I'm not making any sort of moral judgment here. Your mortal soul
is in no endangered by using savefiles or quitting without saving, or
anything else. There's also no ethical dubiousness, either, so long as you
note any cheats or questionable behaviors when you post a character,
particularly a win.
If you are going to suggest changes to play balance or other modifications,
though, try to imagine how they would affect those with stricter play
habits, etc.
Ugh. Rambling: my only real point here is, of course: Have fun! Enjoy these
wonderful games those silly coders spend all their time creating for us!
George
<URL:mailto:Da...@southlin.demon.com.uk> wrote:
> Hello all.
>
> I keep hearing your stories of death on Angband so try this:
>
> When you save your game, save two copies. eg my two copies are "Dave" and
> "Dave2". If you die, or sell and un-ide'd sword and it turns out to be
> Ringil, then quit (thus autosaving) and reload a game. If you hit the
> wrong one, reload the other!! I have been doing this all my life and
> rather assumed somebody here would have figured this out.
>
> You can also use this to avoid wasting identify scrolls on junk. Sell your
> treasure and take a note of what is good/bad. Reload. Sell the junk
> and identify the good stuff.
>
> Do still post your SPECTACULAR cockups though - I love reading them.
> Only the spectacular ones. :-)
You're new, right?
This has been done for YEARS. It's called save-file scumming
and is considered cheating. Especially in my compo...
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George Quail - Bearsden, East Dunbartonshire, Scotland,
Europe, Northern Hemisphere, Earth, Sol, Milky Way, The
Universe. Near Space
Ringwraith
I hope you realize what a cool ng this is for not flaming you into the
ground for making a post like this. Did you really think people who
have been playing this game for years would not have thought of every
cheat in the book?
BTW, Ringil has 4D5, so your can easily tell if you found it.
Also BTW, if you like to cheat, trying saving right before you kill
Wormy. Repeat till satisfied. Big cheat. I never cheat or scum at
all with a serious charatcter, but I ocasionally fiddle around with a
cheating character for a while.
Bahman
David Seale <Da...@southlin.demon.com.uk> writes:
> Hello all.
>
> I keep hearing your stories of death on Angband so try this:
>
> When you save your game, save two copies. eg my two copies are "Dave" and
> "Dave2". If you die, or sell and un-ide'd sword and it turns out to be
> Ringil, then quit (thus autosaving) and reload a game. If you hit the
> wrong one, reload the other!! I have been doing this all my life and
> rather assumed somebody here would have figured this out.
>
> You can also use this to avoid wasting identify scrolls on junk. Sell your
> treasure and take a note of what is good/bad. Reload. Sell the junk
> and identify the good stuff.
>
> Do still post your SPECTACULAR cockups though - I love reading them.
> Only the spectacular ones. :-)
>
> --
> Graham
weisiger
>
> I hope you realize what a cool ng this is for not flaming you into the
> ground for making a post like this. Did you really think people who
> have been playing this game for years would not have thought of every
> cheat in the book?
>
> BTW, Ringil has 4D5, so your can easily tell if you found it.
>
> Also BTW, if you like to cheat, trying saving right before you kill
> Wormy. Repeat till satisfied. Big cheat. I never cheat or scum at
> all with a serious charatcter, but I ocasionally fiddle around with a
> cheating character for a while.
If you really want to cheat (not that I'm subsidizing it), there's a
list of things to do, from savefile backups to hacking the *_info.txt
files at The Angband Junk Page
(http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mhgraham/Angband/)
By the way, whatever happened to The Poet (credited with several of the
monsters on that page)?
>
> Bahman
>
> David Seale <Da...@southlin.demon.com.uk> writes:
>
> > Hello all.
> >
> > I keep hearing your stories of death on Angband so try this:
> >
> > When you save your game, save two copies. eg my two copies are "Dave" and
> > "Dave2". If you die, or sell and un-ide'd sword and it turns out to be
> > Ringil, then quit (thus autosaving) and reload a game. If you hit the
> > wrong one, reload the other!! I have been doing this all my life and
> > rather assumed somebody here would have figured this out.
> >
> > You can also use this to avoid wasting identify scrolls on junk. Sell your
> > treasure and take a note of what is good/bad. Reload. Sell the junk
> > and identify the good stuff.
> >
> > Do still post your SPECTACULAR cockups though - I love reading them.
> > Only the spectacular ones. :-)
> >
> > --
> > Graham
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Aguytono
A. thats cheating
B. Using batch files to do it for you is easier...
David Seale
George <geo...@coturnix.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <48E2383CD8%Da...@southlin.demon.com.uk>, David Seale
> <URL:mailto:Da...@southlin.demon.com.uk> wrote:
> > Hello all.
> >
> > I keep hearing your stories of death on Angband so try this:
> >
> > When you save your game, save two copies. eg my two copies are "Dave" and
> > "Dave2". If you die, or sell and un-ide'd sword and it turns out to be
> > Ringil, then quit (thus autosaving) and reload a game. If you hit the
> > wrong one, reload the other!! I have been doing this all my life and
> > rather assumed somebody here would have figured this out.
> >
> > You can also use this to avoid wasting identify scrolls on junk. Sell your
> > treasure and take a note of what is good/bad. Reload. Sell the junk
> > and identify the good stuff.
> >
> > Do still post your SPECTACULAR cockups though - I love reading them.
> > Only the spectacular ones. :-)
>
> You're new, right?
>
> This has been done for YEARS. It's called save-file scumming
> and is considered cheating. Especially in my compo...
>
> =======================================================
> George Quail - Bearsden, East Dunbartonshire, Scotland,
> Europe, Northern Hemisphere, Earth, Sol, Milky Way, The
> Universe. Near Space
>
No I am not new to Angband, but I am (fairly) new to this NG.
I developed this when playing the original Rogue (hence the name of
this NG). As I said, I have been doing this all my life.
BTW - Isn't "scumming" a popular word in Angband!
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Stephen Lee
David Seale <Da...@southlin.demon.com.uk> wrote:
[snip]
>No I am not new to Angband, but I am (fairly) new to this NG.
>I developed this when playing the original Rogue (hence the name of
>this NG). As I said, I have been doing this all my life.
Just because you've been doing it all your life doesn't mean it's not
cheating.
>BTW - Isn't "scumming" a popular word in Angband!
Yes. What's your point? The word "scumming" is popular partly *because*
many people think it's a form of cheating (depending on the form of
scumming).
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Stephen Lee
David Seale <Da...@southlin.demon.com.uk> wrote:
>Hello all.
>
>I keep hearing your stories of death on Angband so try this:
>
>When you save your game, save two copies. eg my two copies are "Dave" and
>"Dave2". If you die, or sell and un-ide'd sword and it turns out to be
>Ringil, then quit (thus autosaving) and reload a game. If you hit the
>wrong one, reload the other!! I have been doing this all my life and
>rather assumed somebody here would have figured this out.
I'm insulted. Do you really think that we are so stupid that we haven't
thought of this? We don't do this, generally, because it's *cheating*,
not because we haven't thought of it.
George
> In message <ant14135...@coturnix.demon.co.uk>
> George <geo...@coturnix.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > Hello all.
> > >
> > > I keep hearing your stories of death on Angband so try this:
> > >
> > > When you save your game, save two copies. eg my two copies are "Dave" and
> > > "Dave2". If you die, or sell and un-ide'd sword and it turns out to be
> > > Ringil, then quit (thus autosaving) and reload a game. If you hit the
> > > wrong one, reload the other!! I have been doing this all my life and
> > > rather assumed somebody here would have figured this out.
> > >
> > > treasure and take a note of what is good/bad. Reload. Sell the junk
> > > and identify the good stuff.
> > >
> > > Do still post your SPECTACULAR cockups though - I love reading them.
> > > Only the spectacular ones. :-)
> >
> > You're new, right?
> >
> > This has been done for YEARS. It's called save-file scumming
> > and is considered cheating. Especially in my compo...
> >
> > =======================================================
> > George Quail - Bearsden, East Dunbartonshire, Scotland,
> > Europe, Northern Hemisphere, Earth, Sol, Milky Way, The
> > Universe. Near Space
> >
>
> I developed this when playing the original Rogue (hence the name of
So have we, though. :-)
> BTW - Isn't "scumming" a popular word in Angband!
Yup, Because the cheaters are scum. :-)
Angband Addict
We have 'Town Scumming', 'Stair Scumming', 'Quest Scumming' and 'Save
Scumming'...
What else can we scum then...?
I suggest 'Variant Scumming' where you try all the variants until you find
the one that you can survive on.
Dean
Shrowd
news:7dha42$rhg$1...@grind.server.pavilion.net...
> >BTW - Isn't "scumming" a popular word in Angband!
>
>
> We have 'Town Scumming', 'Stair Scumming', 'Quest Scumming' and 'Save
> Scumming'...
>
> What else can we scum then...?
How about one of these variants, Z would be a good candidate, introduce a
bubbling brownish yellow potion of Scum. 1% chance of some positive effect
such as state increase and 100% chance of making you vomit, loose your food,
faint and of course, mild paralysis.
Then, all us players could start scumming for scum potions! ;^)
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> We have 'Town Scumming', 'Stair Scumming', 'Quest Scumming' and 'Save
> Scumming'...
>
> What else can we scum then...?
"Stat scumming" for excessive use of the autoroller, obviously...
> I suggest 'Variant Scumming' where you try all the variants until you
> find the one that you can survive on.
Or just select Pern ;-)
Thomas
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