Crowning Gifts in g12. Long and spoily

[Kyle Thomason]

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> About 4 days ago my Human priest was precrowned with Executioner, though
> died soon later. Prehaps might have gotten the others listed if levels
> where gained. The work is designed to see which will be given if one
> lasts long enough.

I thought that TB said that pre- and post-crowning gifts were
random...not based on class or race....and that the crowning gift was
decided at the being of the game, not when you got crowned (meaning that
there's no way to scum for a better crowning gift, other then the
immunity)

Kyle

[Borys Harasimowicz]

On 18-Maj-99 You annoyed your keyboard in this way:

> 2) Dwarves of many ( probably all ) classes can receive Hammerhead in
> addition to the defined six. This was observed for
> Thief,Farmer,Elementalist,Archer,Fighter,Healer,Merchant,Mindcrafter,Palad
> in,and Priest.
> When one of these exceptions occured, it was noted and the character was
> repeated.

..and Druid. My recent Dwarven Druid was crowneth with Hammerhead... he was
L+. Precrowneth with RoI.

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[Vicky9876]

Don't think this is spoily.
But some space anyway

To those who responded to my original post with information about precrowning
gifts. AFAIK, precrowning and postcrowning gifts are not restricted in any way
( except for the requirements to get them ). It is only crowning gifts which
are restricted to a specified list and which are determined at the start of the
game.
Lee Morgan

[Vicky9876]

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[Dames]

Vicky9876 <vick...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Of course, my bad. I failed to comprehend as I read the post.

[Vicky9876]

First of all, to quote the final authority:
"There are six possible gifts for each class" Thomas Biskup 1998/06/14

I have run a series of tests and find that there are two exceptions to that
statement. Further, although the tests were extensive there are 6 classes for
which I could not find all six.

That said, an almost complete listing, and the noted exceptions are given below
the spoiler space.

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The exception to only six possible gifts for each class are:
1) High elves and grey elves of many ( probably all ) classes can receive
Sun's Messenger in addition to the defined six. This was observed for Wizard,
Weaponsmith, Thief,Farmer,Druid,Bard,Barbarian,Merchant,Monk, and Priest. Note
that Sun's Messenger is one of the six defined gifts for the Archer and Ranger
classes.

2) Dwarves of many ( probably all ) classes can receive Hammerhead in
addition to the defined six. This was observed for
Thief,Farmer,Elementalist,Archer,Fighter,Healer,Merchant,Mindcrafter,Palad
in,and Priest.
When one of these exceptions occured, it was noted and the character was
repeated.

A minimum of 36 tests for almost every class, equally divided between lawful,
neutral, and chaotic characters and almost equally divided between races were
made. For the 6 classes for which I did not find all 6 of the gifts, at least
50 trials were made. The results are tabulated below for each class. The
number of lawful, neutral, and chaotic characters receiving each gift are noted
for anyone who wants to look for a pattern. I saw none.

ARCHER
1. True Aim 4L 1N 2C
2. Thunderstroke 1L 3N 6C
3. Whirlwind 2L 4N
4. Farslayer 1L 4N 4C
5. Boots of the Divine Messenger 2L 1N 2C
6. Sun's Messenger 6L 2N 2C
7. Hammerhead 1N? 2 dwarves The N(eutral) must
have been a tabulation error but I have included it because it is in my
records.

ASSASSIN
1. Farslayer 3L 2N 1C
2. Death's Blade 2L 1N 3C
3. Executer 1N 4C All the C(haotic)s
were orcs for whatever that is worth.
4. Kinslayer 1L 4N 1C
5. Cloak of Oman 2L 3N 1C
6. Emerald Dagger 4L 1N 2C
7. Sun's Messenger 2 elves

BARBARIAN
1. Death's Blade 3L 4N 6C
2. Skullcrusher 7L 11N 8C
3. Vanquisher 8L 2N 7C
4. Grod 4L 5N 1C
5. ??
6. ??
7. Sun's Messenger 2 elves

BARD
1. Staff of the Wanderer 2L 3N 3C
2. Trusted One 3L 2N 1C
3. Whirlwind 1L 2N 5C
4. Cat's Claw 2L 2N 1C
5. Cloak of Oman 3L 2C
6. Boots of the Divine Messenger 1L 3N
7. Sun's Messenger 1 elf

BEASTFIGHTER
1. Nature's Companion 5L 9N 10C
2. Bracers of War 3L 5C
3. Boots of the Divine Messenger 4L 5N 2C
4. Preserver 6L 2N 1C
5. Cloak of Oman 2N
6. ??

DRUID (all druids start neutral )
1. Nature's Companion 7
2. Purifier 9
3. Nature's Friend 4
4. Whirlwind 5
5. Black Thumb 6
6. Staff of the Wanderer 5
7. Sun's Messenger 1 elf

ELEMENTALIST
1. Staff of the Wanderer 1L 1N 2C
2. Staff of the Archmagi 3L 3N 1C
3. Brannalbin's Cloak 1L 1N 1C
4. Ring of Immunity 2L 4N 2C
5. Nature's Friend 1L 3N 2C
6. Iron Crown of Havlor 4L 4C
7. Hammerhead 3 dwarves

FARMER
1. Shirt of the Saints 2L 4N 3C
2. Long Sting 1L 1N 3C
3. Hammer of the Gods 2L 3N 3C
4. Skullcrusher 4L 2N 4C
5. Nature's Friend 2L
6. Whirlwind 3L 4N 1C
7. Sun's Messenger 4 elves
8. Hammerhead ? reported in a posting. This is the
only posted gift ( that I noticed ) that was not also found in my tests.

FIGHTER
1. Long Sting 1L 2N 1C
2. Protector 3L 1C
3. Vanquisher 2L 4N 2C
4. Death's Blade 3L 1N 5C
5. Bracers of War 1L 1N 2C
6. Grod 2L 4N 1C
7. Hammerhead 1 dwarf

HEALER
1. Robes of Resistance 1C
2. Shirt of the Saints 4L 1N 5C
3. Brannalbin's Cloak of Defense 4L 2N 1C
4. Preserver 1L 3N 1C
5. Staff of the Wanderer 2L 3N 1C
6. Shezestriakis 1L 3N 3C
7. Hammerhead 1 dwarf

MERCHANT
1. Shezestriakis 5C
2. Iron Crown of Havlor 5L 5N 3C
3. Boots of the Divine messenger 1L 3N
4. Staff of the Wanderer 2L 3N 2C
5. Crown of Leadership 3L 1N 2C
6. Trusted One 1L
7. Hammerhead 2 dwarves
8. Sun's Messenger 2 elves

MINDCRAFTER
1. Robes of Resistance 9L 6N 5C
2. Iron Crown of Havlor 1L 3N 2C
3. Staff of The Wanderer 2L 3N 2C
4. Ring of Immunity 2L 2N 3C
5. Brannalbin's Cloak of Defense 4L 4N 6C
6. ??
7. Hammerhead 2 dwarves

MONK
1. Shezestriakis 4L 2N 1C
2. Iron Crown of Havlor 2L 5N
3. Robes of Resistance 4L 2N 6C
4. Ring of Immunity 1L 2N 1C
5. Boots of the Divine Messenger 3L 2N 4C
6. Shirt of the Saints 1L 2N 3C
7. Sun's Messenger 2 elves

NECROMANCER ( note: races normally neutral start out chaotic and races
normally lawful start out neutral for this class )
1. Kinslayer 5C
2. Preserver 2N 2C
3. Staff of the Archmagi 2N 5C
4. Robes of Resistance 2N 2C
5. Ring of Immunity 1N 1C
6. Vanquisher 2N 6C

PALADIN
1. Perion's Plate Mail 2L 7N 5C
2. Justifier 8L 6N 7C
3. Hammer of the Gods 3L 5N 2C
4. Aylas Holy Scarf 2L 3C
5. Trusted One 3L 1C
6. ??
7. Hammerhead 2 dwarves

PRIEST
1 Justifier 2L 4N 1C
2. Purifier 4L 2N
3. Aylas Holy Scarf 2N 3C
4. Hammer of the Gods 1L 1N 1C
5. Skullcrusher 3L 2N 4C
6. Shirt of the Saints 2L 1N 3C
7. Sun's Messenger 2 elves
8. Hammerhead 2 dwarves

RANGER
1. Boots of the Divine Messenger 3L 1N 1C
2. Bugbiter 3N 2C
3. Nature's Friend 3L 2N 4C
4. True Aim 3L 4N 3C
5. Nature's Companion 1N
6. Sun's Messenger 3L 1N 2C

THIEF
1. Silver Key 3L 3N 3C
2. Whirlwind 6L 6N 6C
3. True Aim 5L 3N
4. Cat's Claw 2L 2N 3C
5. Cloak of Oman 2L 4N 6C
6. ??
7. Sun's Messenger 4 elves
8. Hammerhead 1 dwarf

WEAPONSMITH
1. Protector 4L 3N
2. Hammer of the Gods 2L 1N 3C
3. Bracers of War 1L 2N 1C
4. Skullcrusher 1L 3N 1C
5. Perion's Plate Mail 2L 1N 4C
6. Ring of Immunity 2L 2N 3C
7. Sun's Messenger 2 elves

WIZARD
1. Robes of Resistance 3L 4N 3C
2. Staff of the Archmagi 5L 5N 5C
3. Brannalbin's Cloak 2L 3N 2C
4. Staff of the wanderer 6L 5N 2C
5. Ring of Immunity 3L 2N 6C
6. ??
7. Sun's Messenger 2 elves

The major spoiling effect of this information in terms of game strategy is that
it helps the player choose which weapon skills to concentrate on in the early
game. For example, weaponsmiths should train hammers and clubs since both gift
weapons fall in that catagory and wizards should train staves for the same
reason.

NOTE: The running of these tests was facilitated by judicious save file editing
in order to be crowned on the second turn. This cheating was only done in the
name of research and the games were each terminated immediately after crowning.
The characters all had their default alignments since the crowning gifts are
set at game inception which implies that changing alignment should have no
effect.

If anyone can fill in the 7 missing spaces based upon game experience the input
would be most welcome. If any errors are noted, that information would also be
welcome.

Lee Morgan

[Jeff Royle]

> PRIEST
> 1 Justifier 2L 4N 1C
> 2. Purifier 4L 2N
> 3. Aylas Holy Scarf 2N 3C

My best character ever (you can see it in my YAVP that I did 2 days ago) was
a dwarf lawful priest got crowned with Aylas Holy Scarf.

> 4. Hammer of the Gods 1L 1N 1C
> 5. Skullcrusher 3L 2N 4C
> 6. Shirt of the Saints 2L 1N 3C
> 7. Sun's Messenger 2 elves
> 8. Hammerhead 2 dwarves

I would like to add personal obersvations to this class

Yesterday I was playing a high elf lawful priest, I got pre-crowned with
Thunderstroke

JR

[ba...@digital-marketplace.net]

> > PRIEST
> > 1 Justifier 2L 4N 1C
> > 2. Purifier 4L 2N
> > 3. Aylas Holy Scarf 2N 3C
>

> My best character ever (you can see it in my YAVP that I did 2 days ago) was
> a dwarf lawful priest got crowned with Aylas Holy Scarf.
>

> > 4. Hammer of the Gods 1L 1N 1C
> > 5. Skullcrusher 3L 2N 4C
> > 6. Shirt of the Saints 2L 1N 3C
> > 7. Sun's Messenger 2 elves
> > 8. Hammerhead 2 dwarves
>

> I would like to add personal obersvations to this class
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> Yesterday I was playing a high elf lawful priest, I got pre-crowned with
> Thunderstroke
>
> JR

About 4 days ago my Human priest was precrowned with Executioner, though

[Dames]

> MONK
> 1. Shezestriakis 4L 2N 1C
> 2. Iron Crown of Havlor 2L 5N
> 3. Robes of Resistance 4L 2N 6C
> 4. Ring of Immunity 1L 2N 1C
> 5. Boots of the Divine Messenger 3L 2N 4C
> 6. Shirt of the Saints 1L 2N 3C
> 7. Sun's Messenger 2 elves

Just an addition to this. I had a Hurthling Monk pre-crowned with the Crown
of Leadership a few games back (g12). I don't think I saw that particular
artifact on any of your lists. (an amazing post, BTW)

[Rich Thompson]

On Tue, 18 May 1999 ba...@digital-marketplace.net wrote:

> > > PRIEST
> > > 1 Justifier 2L 4N 1C
> > > 2. Purifier 4L 2N
> > > 3. Aylas Holy Scarf 2N 3C
> >

> > My best character ever (you can see it in my YAVP that I did 2 days ago) was
> > a dwarf lawful priest got crowned with Aylas Holy Scarf.
> >

> > > 4. Hammer of the Gods 1L 1N 1C
> > > 5. Skullcrusher 3L 2N 4C
> > > 6. Shirt of the Saints 2L 1N 3C
> > > 7. Sun's Messenger 2 elves
> > > 8. Hammerhead 2 dwarves
> >

> > I would like to add personal obersvations to this class
> >
> > Yesterday I was playing a high elf lawful priest, I got pre-crowned with
> > Thunderstroke
> >
> > JR
>
> About 4 days ago my Human priest was precrowned with Executioner, though
> died soon later. Prehaps might have gotten the others listed if levels
> where gained. The work is designed to see which will be given if one
> lasts long enough.

It's my understanding that pre-crowning gifts are usually randomly
determined. Completely randomly determined.

The list you all are discussing is of Crowning gifts, which are
predetermined.

Pre-crowning gifts are not.

Richard Thompson
Department of Psychology
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[Moloch_king Sabbath]

>It's my understanding that pre-crowning gifts are usually randomly
determined. Completely randomly determined.

I think that that pre-crowning gifts are also determined by race or class;
before i played with a human barbarian, i had played months, generating
hundreds of pre-crowning gifts playing strictly with trollish priests, and
never came across or was given Vanquisher for a gift. Also, there are still
some races/classes i havent played much with, and some artifacts i have
heard of that i have never seen (Perions platemail, for example). Therefore,
i beleave that not only are some artifacts only available through
crowning/pre crowning gifts, but are also only generated in the game
regarding race/class.

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