YAGBU: missiles of slaying
SickBoy
You now use the uncursed arrow of slaying (+0, 1d6) for your uncursed long bow
(+3, +2).
[T]arget -- [M]ore -- [+] Next monster -- [-] Previous monster -- [Z] Abort.
Target: Glod, the writhing mass of primal chaos (hostile).
You exactly hit Glod, the writhing mass of primal chaos and severely injure
it. Out of ammunition.
My missile stats are +52 bonus to hit, 1d6+25 damage (archery is at 100).
Maybe missiles of slaying just do extra damage?
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Stephen White
> The guidebook states that a missile of slaying slays everything. However...
>
>
> You now use the uncursed arrow of slaying (+0, 1d6) for your uncursed long bow
> (+3, +2).
> [T]arget -- [M]ore -- [+] Next monster -- [-] Previous monster -- [Z] Abort.
> Target: Glod, the writhing mass of primal chaos (hostile).
> You exactly hit Glod, the writhing mass of primal chaos and severely injure
> it. Out of ammunition.
>
> My missile stats are +52 bonus to hit, 1d6+25 damage (archery is at 100).
> Maybe missiles of slaying just do extra damage?
Perhaps you are misunderstanding the meaning of "slays everything"?
It simply means that you will always get a critical hit, which
in the case of missile weapons is described as "you exactly hit..."
as you saw above.
Slaying in ADOM does not mean it will kill the monster instantly,
it simply means you will get a full force critical hit every time.
IIRC critical hits also bypass PV.
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>"SickBoy" wrote:
<snip slaying ammo didn't kill instantly>
>IIRC critical hits also bypass PV.
Wasn't this the difference between blessed / uncursed slaying ammo?
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John
>>IIRC critical hits also bypass PV.
>
>Wasn't this the difference between blessed / uncursed slaying ammo?
>
>
Yes, it is. Slaying ammo always (not sure about cursed.) does triple damage,
when blessed it passes PV. Critical hits IME have the same multipier that
slaying weapons have, it's just that critical hits don't happen to often with
normel weapons and they *always* happen when fighting the monster that a weapon
slays. (If a human slaying weapon did 20 damage normely, it would do 60 against
humans. This is why slaying weapons often appear to instakill.)
-John
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SickBoy
"John" <tigersh...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Tapani Harkila said:
>
> >>IIRC critical hits also bypass PV.
> >
> >Wasn't this the difference between blessed / uncursed slaying ammo?
> >
> >
>
> Yes, it is. Slaying ammo always (not sure about cursed.) does triple damage,
> when blessed it passes PV. Critical hits IME have the same multipier that
> slaying weapons have, it's just that critical hits don't happen to often with
> normel weapons and they *always* happen when fighting the monster that a weapon
> slays. (If a human slaying weapon did 20 damage normely, it would do 60 against
> humans. This is why slaying weapons often appear to instakill.)
>
>
> -John
My mistake then. Thank you for clearing that up.
Teemu Kokki
>
> >>IIRC critical hits also bypass PV.
> >
> >Wasn't this the difference between blessed / uncursed slaying ammo?
> >
> >
>
> Yes, it is. Slaying ammo always (not sure about cursed.)
> does triple damage, when blessed it passes PV.
I don't think that's correct. Do you actually have something to back
this up with?
Teemu
Karkadinn
>> Yes, it is. Slaying ammo always (not sure about cursed.)
>> does triple damage, when blessed it passes PV.
>
>I don't think that's correct. Do you actually have something to back
>this up with?
There's a couple movie files on Andy's site that illustrate the effects quite
well.
Unblessed slaying ammo:
http://users.rcn.com/andy.williams/EMMISSLS.EXE
Blessed slaying ammo:
http://users.rcn.com/andy.williams/EMMISLS2.EXE
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Teemu Kokki
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> Teemu Kokki said:
>
> >> Yes, it is. Slaying ammo always (not sure about cursed.)
> >> does triple damage, when blessed it passes PV.
> >
> >I don't think that's correct. Do you actually have something to back
> >this up with?
>
> There's a couple movie files on Andy's site that illustrate the
effects quite
> well.
> Unblessed slaying ammo:
> http://users.rcn.com/andy.williams/EMMISSLS.EXE
> Blessed slaying ammo:
> http://users.rcn.com/andy.williams/EMMISLS2.EXE
I say that effect is entirely due to the extra damage blessed weapons
cause to demons. The difference would be much much larger if the blessed
missiles actually bypassed the armor.
Teemu
John
>> There's a couple movie files on Andy's site that illustrate the
>effects quite
>> well.
>> Unblessed slaying ammo:
>> http://users.rcn.com/andy.williams/EMMISSLS.EXE
>> Blessed slaying ammo:
>> http://users.rcn.com/andy.williams/EMMISLS2.EXE
>
> I say that effect is entirely due to the extra damage blessed weapons
>cause to demons. The difference would be much much larger if the blessed
>missiles actually bypassed the armor.
>
>
Do you actually have something to back this up with? :-)
It is rather strongly placed theory (if not fact) that blessed slaying ammo
does ignore PV. (seen in multipul cases) I would be more then happy to view any
evidence that proves or even suggests that it is wrong but until then I will
believe the current theory.
Teemu Kokki
> Teemu Kokki said:
>
> >> There's a couple movie files on Andy's site that illustrate the
> >effects quite
> >> well.
> >> Unblessed slaying ammo:
> >> http://users.rcn.com/andy.williams/EMMISSLS.EXE
> >> Blessed slaying ammo:
> >> http://users.rcn.com/andy.williams/EMMISLS2.EXE
> >
> > I say that effect is entirely due to the extra damage
> > blessed weapons cause to demons. The difference
> > would be much much larger if the blessed missiles
> > actually bypassed the armor.
> >
> >
>
> Do you actually have something to back this up with? :-)
Sure. It took something like 13-15 slaying hits to kill the EM in the
second demo. Last time I killed EM with phase dagger it was matter or ~5
hits. That's pretty much the same amount as every time. And phase dagger
doesn't even slay demons. Slaying hit means 3x damage, so 13 slaying
hits equal around 40 normal hits, if we assume the PV is bypassed all
the time. Now, note that the only assumption there is that the blessed
slaying ammo does bypass PV. What's the conclusion? 40 hits with missile
to kill the EM or 5 hits with a dagger => the character on the demo does
8 times worse damage with his bow than pretty regular character with a
dagger. Or the missiles don't bypass PV. Somehow the latter conclusion
seems a lot better to me.
> It is rather strongly placed theory (if not fact) that blessed
> slaying ammo does ignore PV. (seen in multipul cases)
How exactly is it a strongly placed theory? The only "evidence" I've
seen is that pair of demos and as I said they seem to prove quite a
different thing. What are these other cases?
Teemu
John
>> Do you actually have something to back this up with? :-)
>
>Sure. It took something like 13-15 slaying hits to kill the EM in the
>second demo.
It took 12 and the EM regenerated, so I would estimate that if Fred (the guy
shooting the arrows) didn't let the EM regenerate then it would have taken
about 8 arrows. Now those arrows did 1d6+3 damage multiply that by 3 and add 15
for the increased skill level and those arrows should be doing a max of 42
points of damage add about 10 for the blessed effect and those arrows should be
doing about 52 points of damage. The EM has a PV of 50, would you mind telling
me why this EM only had 16 HP (24 if you you don't want to include
regeneration.)? :-)
Even if the blessed against demon modifier is 20 then this EM (according to
your theory) still only has 144 HP not including regen? (he should have around
400.) (with regen it would be 96 HP.)
Meanwhile if blessed missiles of slaying do penetrate then 8 arrows would do
about 400 points of damage, just about right, know. :-)
I say this just about settles it as far as weather blessed arrows of slaying
penetrate or not. :-)
matija
> >Sure. It took something like 13-15 slaying hits to kill the EM in the
> >second demo.
>
> for the increased skill level and those arrows should be doing
except for the fact that they don't. it's not 1d6+3, it's
more like 1d6+50 or even more.
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Teemu Kokki
> Teemu Kokki said:
>
> >> Do you actually have something to back this up with? :-)
> >
> >Sure. It took something like 13-15 slaying hits to kill
> >the EM in the second demo.
>
> It took 12
I just rechecked and it's definitely 13. Not that it matters.
> and the EM regenerated, so I would estimate that if Fred
> (the guy shooting the arrows) didn't let the EM regenerate
> then it would have taken about 8 arrows.
You're just making stuff up. Look at the demo again. It's 13, maybe 12
without the two extra moves but that's just a matter of luck and
statistics.
> Now those arrows did 1d6+3 damage
No, more likely they did 1d6+50 or more, just like matija said. Here's a
druid of mine with similar stats to Fred:
Ammunition: 3, base range: 17, +97 bonus to hit, 1d6+54 damage
> multiply that by 3 and add 15 for the increased skill level
First you calculate the damage, then you multiply.
> add about 10 for the blessed effect
First of all you're severely underestimating the effect of blessing. Try
it out sometimes, it makes a huge difference. Also I can't see why you
wouldn't need to take this into account too before multiplying by 3.
> and those arrows should be doing about 52 points of damage.
I wonder what you're gonna get after you recalculate with correct stats.
> The EM has a PV of 50
Yeah it's 200, not 50. I'm beginning to think you have absolutely no
idea what you're talking about.
> Even if the blessed against demon modifier is 20 then this
> EM (according to your theory) still only has 144 HP not
> including regen?
You're really seriously underestimating the effect of blessed weapons.
> (he should have around 400.)
Where did you learn that? (Let me guess, just made it up.)
> I say this just about settles it as far as weather blessed arrows of
slaying
> penetrate or not. :-)
Yeah it really does not. Try again. Btw, I'm still missing that other
evidence that would make it "strongly placed". Also you still haven't
addressed the question of why phase dagger seems to do so much more
damage compared to slaying arrows that (supposedly) bypass PV.
Teemu
John
>> [...] Now those arrows did 1d6+3 damage multiply that by 3 and add 15
>> for the increased skill level and those arrows should be doing
>> [...] about 52 points of damage.
>
> except for the fact that they don't. it's not 1d6+3, it's
> more like 1d6+50 or even more.
>
>
Uh.. no, I checked with the demo and they do 1d6+3. Perhaps I should repete
myself for all those who didn't take the time to read it the first time.
The arrows did (+3, 1d6+3). (Got that? you can check with the demo if you don't
belive me.) Now since they are of demon slaying and blessed (blessed weapons do
more damage against demons) and because Fred was level 10 (+15 damage) they
will do a max of 52 points of damage against the EM.
That would be 1 roll of a six sided dice resulting in a six now 6+3=9, 9*3
(demon slaying)=27, 27+15 (skill level)+10(what I assume is the adder for
blessed weapons against demons, if you would actually *read* my post and see
that I compensated for that if I am wrong about that)=52. Now do you
understand? Or should I get a calculater out and prove to you that 3*9=27 and
that 15+10=25 and that 27+25=52?
However, against a goblin for example they would do a max of 24 points of
damage given that they are blessed (+3 1d6+3) arrows of demon slaying.
Got all that Matija?
Danielle
> It is rather strongly placed theory (if not fact) that blessed slaying ammo
> does ignore PV. (seen in multipul cases) I would be more then happy to view any
> evidence that proves or even suggests that it is wrong but until then I will
> believe the current theory.
Hmmm... Tried testing it on molochs?
Stephen White
> matija said:
>
> >> [...] Now those arrows did 1d6+3 damage multiply that by 3 and add 15
> >> for the increased skill level and those arrows should be doing
> >> [...] about 52 points of damage.
> >
> > except for the fact that they don't. it's not 1d6+3, it's
> > more like 1d6+50 or even more.
> >
> >
>
> Uh.. no, I checked with the demo and they do 1d6+3. Perhaps I should repete
> myself for all those who didn't take the time to read it the first time.
John, people seem to be convinced you are wrong about this,
and I'm afraid I must agree - the arrows themselves may do
1d6+3, but if you pressed "M" to show missile weapon
damage it certainly wouldn't be 1d6+3. You are forgetting
to include the extra damage based upon the strength of
the character.
A Troll Barbarian with a strength of say, 25, will do a lot
more damage with a 1d6 club than a Hurthling Mindcrafter
with a strength of 5 would, even if they both have the
same skill with the weapon type etc...
sqweek
[blessed slaying arrows piercing armour]
> The arrows did (+3, 1d6+3). (Got that? you can check with the demo if
> you don't belive me.) Now since they are of demon slaying and blessed
> (blessed weapons do more damage against demons) and because Fred was
> level 10 (+15 damage) they will do a max of 52 points of damage against
> the EM.
>
> That would be 1 roll of a six sided dice resulting in a six now 6+3=9, 9*3
> (demon slaying)=27, 27+15 (skill level)+10(what I assume is the adder for
> blessed weapons against demons, if you would actually *read* my post and see
> that I compensated for that if I am wrong about that)=52
OK, so now what if the blessed vs. demons modifier is x2 instead of +10?
82 damage per missile * 12 missiles = 984 damage - 50(PV) * 12 = 384
damage, which is about right, no?
Also, are you taking into account tactics? I haven't seen the demo, but
I'm assuming Fred was beserk
And is there actually any evidence to suggest the slaying/critical hit
modifier is x3?
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John. C.
> tigersh...@aol.com (John) wrote:
>
> >
> > Uh.. no, I checked with the demo and they do 1d6+3. Perhaps I should repete
> > myself for all those who didn't take the time to read it the first time.
>
> John, people seem to be convinced you are wrong about this,
> and I'm afraid I must agree - the arrows themselves may do
> 1d6+3, but if you pressed "M" to show missile weapon
> damage it certainly wouldn't be 1d6+3. You are forgetting
> to include the extra damage based upon the strength of
> the character.
>
> A Troll Barbarian with a strength of say, 25, will do a lot
> more damage with a 1d6 club than a Hurthling Mindcrafter
> with a strength of 5 would, even if they both have the
> same skill with the weapon type etc...
True, but what pressing the "M" key does is it calculates everything
based on skill level strength various bonuses ect. I was saying that
the missiles do a base of 1d6+3 and then I went on to add all the
bonuses though I did forget strength. (anyone have the equations for
the amount of damage strength does for arrows?) So what I did was the
equivalent of pressing the "M" key only it was more exact because dumb
ol andy never pressed the "M" key during the demo. :-) I will
recalculate once I find the equations for strength (and possibly
dexterity?). Sorry for any confusion I might have created. :-)
-John (using google right now so no sig.)
John
>OK, so now what if the blessed vs. demons modifier is x2 instead of +10?
waaaaayyyyyyyyy too high, and very unrealistic. if you could do double damage
against demons just for blessing your sword.
>82 damage per missile * 12 missiles = 984 damage - 50(PV) * 12 = 384
>damage, which is about right, no?
No, from what the person I am debating this says the EM has 200PV. I had
thought he had 150PV and then for some reason I thought that was 50 and so on.
With 200PV your method wouldn't score a single hit.
Except that
>Also, are you taking into account tactics? I haven't seen the demo, but
>I'm assuming Fred was beserk
>
Yes, Fred was beserk.
>And is there actually any evidence to suggest the slaying/critical hit
>modifier is x3?
>
[Breaks down laughing]
Frances Kathleen Moffatt
> Teemu Kokki said:
>> I say that effect is entirely due to the extra damage blessed weapons
>>cause to demons. The difference would be much much larger if the blessed
>>missiles actually bypassed the armor.
> Do you actually have something to back this up with? :-)
Blessed missiles whapping the hell out of undead and demons, even when
they're not missiles of slaying?
Just went through the Dwarven Graveyard, and I swear it makes a difference
if you're just using blessed versus uncursed rocks, never mind <foo> of
slaying.
Love and coffee,
Frances
Frances Kathleen Moffatt
> Teemu Kokki said:
>>> Yes, it is. Slaying ammo always (not sure about cursed.)
>>> does triple damage, when blessed it passes PV.
>>I don't think that's correct. Do you actually have something to back
>>this up with?
> There's a couple movie files on Andy's site that illustrate the effects quite
> well.
> Unblessed slaying ammo:
> http://users.rcn.com/andy.williams/EMMISSLS.EXE
> Blessed slaying ammo:
> http://users.rcn.com/andy.williams/EMMISLS2.EXE
I know, I was watching them the other day, but isn't that done to
illustrate the increased effectiveness of blessed missiles against demons?
Love and coffee,
Frances
Malte Helmert
I'm strongly with Teemu on this issue. Slaying ammo doesn't bypass PV,
it just deals ridiculous amounts of damage, and yes, I also think that
the difference between the two demos is due to the "blessed weapons vs.
demons or undead" bonus.
Malte
J.
> John (tigersh...@aol.com) writes:
> > Teemu Kokki said:
>
> >> I say that effect is entirely due to the extra damage blessed weapons
> >>cause to demons. The difference would be much much larger if the blessed
> >>missiles actually bypassed the armor.
> > Do you actually have something to back this up with? :-)
>
> Blessed missiles whapping the hell out of undead and demons, even when
> they're not missiles of slaying?
Missiles are indeed quite powerful (even non-slaying ones). My latest
char (human wizard) used a bow (short bow of accuracy IIRC) and some
arrows (standard ones, IIRC they weren't even blessed) in fire tower
to kill several fire demons, fire elementals and fire grues. Of course
he had a relatively high strength and Dex at 99 (bug-scummed) but
still... IIRC he even killed the ACW with bow and arrows...
BTW that char is doing pretty well, got 2 RoDS from dipping brass
rings into a !oEx (wishes went to =oIce and AoLS for khelly) and found
TWO other AoLS in addition. Staff of Archmage was found as a random
drop (IIRC in arena fight) and sacced for crowning (as was Crown of
Science). Unfortunately he got the other staff (of Wanderer)...and
fire immunity (AFTER doing the tower)...as crowning gift... Oh well...
No doubt ADOM is gonna do its best to get that char killed ASAP...
J.
sqweek
> sqweek said:
>
> >OK, so now what if the blessed vs. demons modifier is x2 instead of +10?
>
> waaaaayyyyyyyyy too high, and very unrealistic. if you could do double
> damage against demons just for blessing your sword.
Unrealistic?
> No, from what the person I am debating this says the EM has 200PV. I had
> thought he had 150PV and then for some reason I thought that was 50 and so
> on.
>
> With 200PV your method wouldn't score a single hit.
Yeah, it didn't help that I read Teemu's post after posting mine :)
But, it worked nicely with the facts _you_ gave.
> >And is there actually any evidence to suggest the slaying/critical hit
> >modifier is x3?
>
> [Breaks down laughing]
So is that a yes, a no, or an "I'm just going to be a dick about it"?
John. C.
...sqweek <sqwee...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.175fe93ed...@news.cis.dfn.de>...
> In article <20020526155559...@mb-mn.aol.com>, John says...
> > sqweek said:
> >
> > >OK, so now what if the blessed vs. demons modifier is x2 instead of +10?
> >
> > waaaaayyyyyyyyy too high, and very unrealistic. if you could do double
> > damage against demons just for blessing your sword.
>
> Unrealistic?
>
Yeah, blessing does a good deal extra damage against undead/demons but
I think *double* damage is a bit too high. As I said blessing isn't
that hard to do.
> > No, from what the person I am debating this says the EM has 200PV. I had
> > thought he had 150PV and then for some reason I thought that was 50 and so
> > on.
> >
> > With 200PV your method wouldn't score a single hit.
>
> Yeah, it didn't help that I read Teemu's post after posting mine :)
> But, it worked nicely with the facts _you_ gave.
>
1. Read all following posts before posting yours.
2. Just because I said it doesn't mean it's true nor does it mean I
think it's true, that was the point of the debate, I take one opinion
and others take another as the debate continues facts are that are
found are brought forth to allow those who chose to debate to do so in
a more logical manner allowing for both sides to come to new
conclusions until finally they conclude what side is corect and what
side is incorrect.
If you refuse to read all posts in a thread before posting, and
therefore most likely be uninformed about how the presenting of facts
has gone then be my guest.
Just don't think people aren't going to laugh at you. :-)
> > >And is there actually any evidence to suggest the slaying/critical hit
> > >modifier is x3?
> >
> > [Breaks down laughing]
>
> So is that a yes, a no, or an "I'm just going to be a dick about it"?
Number one and three. :-)
Number one can be witnessed by simply shooting normal arrows at a
monster, observing how much damage it takes, letting it heal back to
full health and then shooting it with slaying arrows and observing how
much damage it takes in comparison. You can come to the logical
conclusion that it does 3x damage quite quickly. :-)
Number three was also a brilliant conclusion on your part, I wonder
how you arrived there... :-)
-John (using google so no sig.)
P.S.
John
>
>P.S.
>
>
Hit submit by accident, ok here is what I wanted to say:
What does your name mean sqweek? So far all I have figured out is <something
that starts 'S'> <something that starts with 'Q'><week> or a misspelling of
'squeak'.
sqweek
> What does your name mean sqweek? So far all I have figured out is <something
> that starts 'S'> <something that starts with 'Q'><week> or a misspelling of
> 'squeak'.
Uhhhmm, it stands for super q...
OK, it's the latter :)
It's what I called my first pet mouse, and I like the name
You've no idea how many people write squeek though
John
>OK, it's the latter :)
>
>It's what I called my first pet mouse, and I like the name
>You've no idea how many people write squeek though
>
So squeak is sort of like dear Abby? Or are they fans of his?
P.S. How could you misspell squeak as sqweek? Looks like someone didn't pass
1st grade... :-)
Frances Kathleen Moffatt
> P.S. How could you misspell squeak as sqweek? Looks like someone didn't pass
> 1st grade... :-)
Well, people do generally allow for a little more leniency when naming
pets then when speaking English... If you were just *writing*, for
example, mispelling "squeak" as "sqweek" would be kind of like... Oh, I
don't know...
Kind of like spelling "replies" as "replys" (in a post where you tell
someone to use a spellcheck), "would've thought" as "woud've thout", "I've"
as "iv'e", "coincidence" as "coinsadince", "happen" as "happin", "a
sudden" as "asuden"...
OTOH, maybe you've passed first grade since March. :)
Love and coffee,
Frances
Sam Blanning
"Frances Kathleen Moffatt" <dv...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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Have you been writing all these down in preparation for this moment?
sqweek
[my handle]
> >It's what I called my first pet mouse, and I like the name
> >You've no idea how many people write squeek though
>
> So squeak is sort of like dear Abby? Or are they fans of his?
Sorry, I've no idea what/who dear Abby is...
John
>
>John (tigersh...@aol.com) writes:
>
>> P.S. How could you misspell squeak as sqweek? Looks like someone didn't
>pass
>> 1st grade... :-)
>
>Well, people do generally allow for a little more leniency when naming
>pets then when speaking English... If you were just *writing*, for
>example, mispelling "squeak" as "sqweek" would be kind of like... Oh, I
>don't know...
>
Yeah, I was just joking with him of course.
By the way, you misspelled 'misspelling'. :-)
>Kind of like spelling "replies" as "replys" (in a post where you tell
>someone to use a spellcheck)
When? I don't even remember telling a person to spellcheck. :-)
, "would've thought" as "woud've thout", "I've"
>as "iv'e", "coincidence" as "coinsadince", "happen" as "happin", "a
>sudden" as "asuden"...
Sam is right, you do right these down for future reference, don't you? :-)
>
>OTOH, maybe you've passed first grade since March. :)
>
Hwo did yoo gess? :-)
-JUN
John
It's an advise column in the newspaper, people write letters to Abby and then
she gives them a reply. You said "You've no idea how many people write squeek
though" so I thought your pet might be advise columnist. :-)
-John
John
>Sam is right, you do right these down for future reference, don't you? :-)
Bet you ten dollars that she adds that to her list... =)
-John
John Rowat
> In article <20020601201402...@mb-dd.aol.com>, John says...
>> >It's what I called my first pet mouse, and I like the name
>> >You've no idea how many people write squeek though
>>
>> So squeak is sort of like dear Abby? Or are they fans of his?
> Sorry, I've no idea what/who dear Abby is...
Abigail "Call the cops" Van Buren is a very famous advice columnist. You
write to her, she publishes advice anonymously in her column. She
acquired her unfortunate nickname by reporting someone who wrote in to her
asking for help to the police.
-John
--
There's probably an easier way to get through life, but at this
point you've gotten used to using the shovel.
-The Onion Horoscopes, May 29 2002.
Andy Williams
< snip OT stuff >
Incidentally, I am at a point where I can recreate the
blessed/uncursed slaying ammo vs the emperor moloch
demo in ADOM v 1.0.0. Any specific requests for
exactly what should be included?
--
Andy Williams
ADOM Guidebook: http://users.rcn.com/andy.williams/adom.html
Frances Kathleen Moffatt
> "Frances Kathleen Moffatt" <dv...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
[snip John's (Tigershark, for clarification) misspellings]
> Have you been writing all these down in preparation for this moment?
Nope. Google. Took about a minute and a half.
Love and coffee,
Frances
Frances Kathleen Moffatt
> Frances Kathleen Moffatt said:
>>John (tigersh...@aol.com) writes:
>>> P.S. How could you misspell squeak as sqweek? Looks like someone didn't
>>> pass 1st grade... :-)
>>
>>Well, people do generally allow for a little more leniency when naming
>>pets then when speaking English... If you were just *writing*, for
>>example, mispelling "squeak" as "sqweek" would be kind of like... Oh, I
>>don't know...
> Yeah, I was just joking with him of course.
So was I. Didn't you see my smiley? A smiley makes everything okay and
funny. No, really.
> By the way, you misspelled 'misspelling'. :-)
And if I'd made cracks about how uneducated someone else was, I might
actually be embarrassed by it.
>>Kind of like spelling "replies" as "replys" (in a post where you tell
> When? I don't even remember telling a person to spellcheck. :-)
What? You mean you're not bothering to do a Google search? But you get
all snarky when the answer to something is on Google, and people don't
bother to look it up...
"Yes, although you might be getting replys to your post I doubt anyone
will post the answer to your questions because they were very stupid.
"P.S.Use spellcheck next time, OK?"
Thirty seconds, tops.
> , "would've thought" as "woud've thout", "I've"
>>as "iv'e", "coincidence" as "coinsadince", "happen" as "happin", "a
>>sudden" as "asuden"...
> Sam is right, you do right these down for future reference, don't you? :-)
Nope. Quick Google search on the group for 'tigershark7000'.
>>OTOH, maybe you've passed first grade since March. :)
> Hwo did yoo gess? :-)
Got held back again for not playing well with others, I see. :)
Love and coffee,
Frances
David Chapman
news:20020602211128...@mb-mf.aol.com...
> By the way, you misspelled 'misspelling'. :-)
Yes. It's traditional to put a spelling mistake in any spelling
pedant post.
--
"Pack it in, you're acting like kids."
"Well, he started it!"
matija
> It's what I called my first pet mouse, and I like the name
> You've no idea how many people write squeek though
what's wrong with good ol' "skvik"?
--
the yeti loves to drink schnaps too, so he's like a real shaman... he, uhm,
uh, if you want to contact him, you have to put some alcoholic offerings in
front of the forest. [-mystery of the yeti]
address is scrambled - remove SPAMISEVIL to reply
Sam Blanning
"Andy Williams" <li...@the-vanguard.com> wrote in message
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> < snip attributions >
>
> < snip OT stuff >
>
> Incidentally, I am at a point where I can recreate the
> blessed/uncursed slaying ammo vs the emperor moloch
> demo in ADOM v 1.0.0. Any specific requests for
> exactly what should be included?
Would it be possible to use blessed/uncursed normal ammo against the emperor
moloch? It would be interesting if uncursed bounced off and blessed didn't.
Although I suppose that it's very likely that neither would work.
Sam Blanning
"John Rowat" <jro...@prince.carleton.ca> wrote in message
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>
> >> >It's what I called my first pet mouse, and I like the name
> >> >You've no idea how many people write squeek though
> >>
> >> So squeak is sort of like dear Abby? Or are they fans of his?
>
> > Sorry, I've no idea what/who dear Abby is...
>
> Abigail "Call the cops" Van Buren is a very famous advice columnist. You
> write to her, she publishes advice anonymously in her column. She
> acquired her unfortunate nickname by reporting someone who wrote in to her
> asking for help to the police.
>
And she's still in a job? She should have been sacked on the spot.
Malte Helmert
> < snip attributions >
>
> < snip OT stuff >
>
> Incidentally, I am at a point where I can recreate the
> blessed/uncursed slaying ammo vs the emperor moloch
> demo in ADOM v 1.0.0. Any specific requests for
> exactly what should be included?
How about putting the saved game just before entering on the web? Or if
it's too big, e-mail it to a select group of interested researches. :-)
Malte
John Rowat
> "John Rowat" <jro...@prince.carleton.ca> wrote in message
>> Abigail "Call the cops" Van Buren is a very famous advice columnist. You
>> write to her, she publishes advice anonymously in her column. She
>> acquired her unfortunate nickname by reporting someone who wrote in to her
>> asking for help to the police.
>>
> /me remembers to use Google for once instead of just asking 'what about?'
> And she's still in a job? She should have been sacked on the spot.
She's "Dear Abby". You know, 40-some YEARS of being *the* advice
columnist? Besides, there's nothing illeagal about what she did, and a
newspaper would look really bad if they stop carrying her column because
she reported a suspected (IIRC) child abuser. Incidentally, she doesn't
work for a newspaper, that I know of - she's freelance, and he column is
printed in a few hundred of them, like a comic strip.
Sam Blanning
>
> >> Abigail "Call the cops" Van Buren is a very famous advice columnist.
You
> >> write to her, she publishes advice anonymously in her column. She
> >> acquired her unfortunate nickname by reporting someone who wrote in to
her
> >> asking for help to the police.
> >>
> > /me remembers to use Google for once instead of just asking 'what
about?'
> > And she's still in a job? She should have been sacked on the spot.
>
> She's "Dear Abby". You know, 40-some YEARS of being *the* advice
> columnist?
Point taken. I've not heard of her.
> Besides, there's nothing illeagal about what she did,
But there was nothing illegal about what the advice seeker did either. I'd
be in a straitjacket if thinking about doing something criminal was a crime.
> and a
> newspaper would look really bad if they stop carrying her column because
> she reported a suspected (IIRC) child abuser. Incidentally, she doesn't
> work for a newspaper, that I know of - she's freelance, and he column is
> printed in a few hundred of them, like a comic strip.
>
You're right, it wouldn't have been a good idea to sack her. Although it
does make her look like a really crap advice columnist from where I'm
standing.
Andy Williams
> Andy Williams wrote:
> > Incidentally, I am at a point where I can recreate the
> > blessed/uncursed slaying ammo vs the emperor moloch
> > demo in ADOM v 1.0.0. Any specific requests for
> > exactly what should be included?
> Would it be possible to use blessed/uncursed normal ammo against the emperor
> moloch? It would be interesting if uncursed bounced off and blessed didn't.
> Although I suppose that it's very likely that neither would work.
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Yes, almost anything is possible with this PC, although he is crowned, so no
mucking around with alignment, and has no wish-granting items. The PC was
forced to extensively scum the BDC in order to reach exp lvl 45. The
equipment this PC has is absolutely ridiculous.
Briefly (?):
PERSONAL EQUIPMENT
Total weight: 38229 stones Carrying capacity: 84475 stones
A - He: blessed crown of leadership [+2, +7] {Ch+18} [65s]
B - Ne: blessed ankh [3s]
C - Bo: blessed fine leather armor (named) (+2, +0) [+2, +8] (+15 spd) [120s]
D - Gi: blessed girdle of carrying [+5, +0] [15s]
E - Cl: blessed cloak of defense [+5, +0] [20s]
F - RH: blessed rustproof phase dagger (+7, 1d4+6) [5s]
G - LH: blessed rustproof knife of endurance (+6, 1d3+9) {To+5} [8s]
H - RR: blessed ring of slaying (+10 melee damage, +6 missile damage) [1s]
I - LR: blessed ring of the master cat [+0, +5] {Dx+16} (+16 spd) [1s]
J - Br: blessed bracers of war [+8, +4] {Dx+8} [10s]
K - Ga: blessed iron gauntlets (named) (-1, +0) [+1, +3] {St+7} [10s]
L - Bo: blessed seven league boots [+9, +5] [30s]
M - MW: blessed heavy crossbow (named) (+18, +18) [350s]
N - Mi: 26 blessed quarrels of demon slaying (+3, 2d6+3) [104s]
O - Tl: 96 blessed spenseweeds [192s]
In addition to the equipped items, he has multiple seven league boots, on
demand invisibility, the elemental gauntlets, the twins, Hammerhead, Purifier,
Skullcrusher, Wyrmlance, the rune-covered trident, Long Sting, the Ring of
Immunity, the Crown of Science and the Ancient Mummy Wrapping. He has the
Bugville loot (gained mostly through melee, with a bit of missiles thrown in;
no magic). He has Protector and Nature's Friend.
He has all imaginable slaying ammo both uncursed and blessable due to:
C - heap of 74 potions of holy water [296s]
He has a good repertoire of spells, including Strength of Atlas (being used),
although none of them are at a high effectivity.
I think he has maxed out his mana regeneration rate. He has not maxed out his
stats since he has more potions which will increase them. They are currently:
St:99 Le:32 Wi:40 Dx:80 To:44 Ch:42 Ap:12 Ma:49 Pe:48
DV/PV: 60/48 H: 960(960) P: 724(734) Exp: 50/23024957 WE Sp: 296
on Berserk (with bonuses and corruptions). Corruptions could be completely
removed via Yrriur. He has six SoCRs.
He has not maxed out his DV/PV since he has scrolls of protection and defense
available.
He was Bloated at the time this snapshot was taken, so his speed is
intrinsically higher, although he also has the very light corruption.
Weapon skills:
Melee weapon Lvl Hit Dam DV Level Required marks
--------------------- --- --- --- -- ------------- --------------
Unarmed fighting 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Daggers & knives 15 +20 +12 +5 Grand Mastery
Clubs & hammers 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Maces & flails 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Swords 10 +9 +6 +3 excellent 1823
Axes 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 25
Whips 1 +1 +0 +1 basic 25
Pole arms 12 +14 +8 +16 Mastery 2075
Twohanded weapons 1 +1 +1 +0 basic 25
Staves 1 +1 +0 +1 basic 25
Missile weapon Lvl Hit Dam Ra Level Required marks
--------------------- --- --- --- -- ------------- --------------
Slings 9 +18 +13 +3 excellent 485
Bows 9 +18 +13 +3 excellent 256
Crossbows 8 +16 +12 +2 excellent 70
Thrown axes & hammers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown daggers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Thrown rocks & clubs 6 +12 +9 +2 skilled 121
Thrown spears 3 +6 +4 +1 basic 17
Boomerangs & scurgari 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 7
Shields Lvl DV Level Required marks
--------------------- --- --- ------------- --------------
Shields 3 +6 basic 53
He is a dark elven ranger, crowned L+, with the skill set that goes along with
that combination. I was growing a bit weary of hearing about how two-handed
combat sucks and so decided to (re)create one of these guys. I've won
ultimate endings with them in the past.
I hope to post a VP with his story when I finish the game.
A nice test bed for doing some exploring.
Arturus Magi
Date: 02 Jun 2002 00:14:02 GMT
>P.S. How could you misspell squeak as sqweek? Looks like someone didn't pass
>1st grade... :-)
In my experience, alot of people with college degrees insist on looking like
they didn't pass the first grade too, but obviously they must have in order to
have gotten that degree.
I have family members with degrees that can't spell 'that' reliably.
John
>>P.S. How could you misspell squeak as sqweek? Looks like someone didn't pass
>>1st grade... :-)
>
>In my experience, alot of people with college degrees insist on looking like
>they didn't pass the first grade too, but obviously they must have in order
>to
>have gotten that degree.
>
>I have family members with degrees that can't spell 'that' reliably.
>
Heh heh, I know that he passed 1st grade, I was just fooling with him. Other
then Frances your the first person to take what I said seriously. :-)
Arturus Magi
Date: 13 Jun 2002 01:39:32 GMT
>Heh heh, I know that he passed 1st grade, I was just fooling with him. Other
>then Frances your the first person to take what I said seriously. :-)
I never said you were being serious, although I must say that I was being
(semi-) serious.
I actually do have family memebers with degrees that can't spell simple words
reliably. I'm still trying to figue out how she managed to misspell 'the.'
Sam Blanning
"Arturus Magi" <nho...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020613035221...@mb-co.aol.com...
>
> >Heh heh, I know that he passed 1st grade, I was just fooling with him.
Other
> >then Frances your the first person to take what I said seriously. :-)
>
> I never said you were being serious, although I must say that I was being
> (semi-) serious.
>
> I actually do have family memebers with degrees that can't spell simple
words
> reliably. I'm still trying to figue out how she managed to misspell
'the.'
>
experience are in fact more likely to make them because they don't look at
the keyboard.
Dominic
I am usually pretty good at spelling, I just type so damn fast that it isn't
reliable as far as typo's go. But I know what you mean about degrees, I know
some people tend to forget the basics once on a higher level. Not a helpful
thing that.
~Dominic
--
"Take that, you meany! Only cute, innocent people like Carlie can hold the
sword!" ~Carlie (Seiken Densetsu 3)
Frances Kathleen Moffatt
> In my experience, alot of people with college degrees insist on looking like
> they didn't pass the first grade too, but obviously they must have in order to
> have gotten that degree.
> I have family members with degrees that can't spell 'that' reliably.
Degrees in *what?*
Love and coffee,
Frances
Todd A. Van Duren
>
> >>P.S. How could you misspell squeak as sqweek? Looks like someone didn't pass
> >>1st grade... :-)
> >
> then Frances your the first person to take what I said seriously. :-)
>
"Other than Frances you're...."
Though I suppose those lessons don't come until sixth grade or so.... ;)
Frances Kathleen Moffatt
Hey, I didn't take him seriously, I took him for a jackass. There's a
difference. :)
ObADOM: 13th level human barbarian, made it through the SMC and the UD,
went down to Dwarftown, snagged two quests (large kobold, yay), headed
back to Terinyo to get an amulet of law, stopped by in Barbabas' shop, was
trying on armor to see what it was before selling it...
...ring mail of hate. F*@&ery.
*sigh*
Love and coffee,
Frances
Arturus Magi
Date: 13 Jun 2002 12:13:50 GMT
>Degrees in *what?*
In this particular case, an AA in Preschool Education.
Arturus Magi
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:11:11 +0100
>Are you sure it wasn't a typo? Everyone makes typos - people with keyboard
>experience are in fact more likely to make them because they don't look at
>the keyboard.
She doesn't have much typing experience, and she misspells it in handwriting
too, although not often with 'the.'