YASD (You had to see this coming)
Curry Bucket
somewhat foolish, but in my defense I had little recourse at this point.
More below.
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DV/PV: 97/16 H: -49(123) P: 85(85) Exp: 16/209524 D: 13 Sp:
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Blessed Coward
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Those Vs, of course, are the horde of acid vortices I was bitching about.
With my relatively freshly acquired TC from a blink dog, I was fiddling
around all over the map. I visited the mystic, certainly. I took down Griff
and 'Nak, then Rehetep. I was contemplating what I could do next, and
figured I'd try the NDC to see if I could handle it; I couldn't. So I
figured I'd go back down the CoC and try teleporting into a room on the side
of D:13 I hadn't gotten at. First, I tried the DH again, but the steel
zombie I mentioned in the thread "Talk about acid reflux" was a little hot
to handle. Impasse city.
Next plan, try teleporting into the room beyond the door (if you look at the
map, you'll see the room the upstairs is in has a tunnel at the east (dug)
and the west, barred by doors). Everytime I tried to teleport into the damn
room, it was "Impossible." I tried four times. The fourth time, well, I got
teleported into the middle of the horde and, well, tada.
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Background Information
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Name: Astara Race: female Gray Elf Class: Bard
Eye color: light blue Hair color: white Complexion: pale
Height: 6' Weight: 105 pounds
Age: 330 (grown-up)
Star sign: Unicorn Birthday: 23/Unicorn (day 113 of the year)
YOUR HISTORY:
Your parents belong to the nobility. They are rich, respected,
wealthy and own more than they can count.
In your childhood you were a credit to your family. Your people
loved you and enjoyed your presence.
During your youth you had a lot of fun playing with other kids of
your age. You always were a natural leader and the center of interest.
Your path was always clearly lying before you. You knew about your
destiny since your earliest years and fortunately your grandfather
supported your wishes. You managed to find a competent trainer and began
your studies.
You decided to become a Bard.
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Inventory
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Total weight: 4149 stones Carrying capacity: 6435 stones
Head : uncursed leather cap [+0, +1] [5s]
Neck : uncursed ankh [3s]
Body : uncursed studded leather armor (-1, +0) [+1, +2] [250s]
(Damaged, but still the most useful I found.)
Girdle : blessed girdle of carrying [+0, +0] [15s]
Cloak : blessed cloak of Oman (+2, +0) [+4, +4] {Dx+8} [20s]
Right Hand : uncursed extra-heavy whip (-3, 1d3) [60s]
(I love whips now. I found no backup, but it held out through thick and
thin, especially thick.)
Left Hand : uncursed tower crystal shield (-2) [+13, +4] [260s]
Right Ring : uncursed ring of stun resistance [1s]
Left Ring : uncursed ring of searching [1s]
Bracers : -
Gauntlets : uncursed gloves of dexterity [+0, +0] {Dx+2} [6s]
Boots : blessed seven league boots [+1, +2] [30s]
Missile weapon: -
Missiles : blessed boomerang (+3, 2d4+1) [20s]
(Still my favourite missile category.)
Tool : uncursed fiddle [15s]
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Stuff
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Total weight: 3463 stones Carrying capacity: 6435 stones
(Only food snipped. If anyone spots something in the list that might have
helped me, it could be useful in the future.)
Armor ('[')
uncursed clothes [+3, +0] [40s]
blessed ancient mummy wrapping [+1, +5] {Ap-8} [60s]
Shields ('[')
uncursed medium mithril shield [+5, +1] [80s]
uncursed medium adamantium shield [+7, +2] [72s]
Gauntlets ('[')
uncursed thick gauntlets (+0, -1) [+0, +1] [15s]
uncursed thick gauntlets (-1, -2) [+0, +1] [15s]
uncursed gloves of dexterity [+0, +0] {Dx+2} [6s]
uncursed rusty black dragon-hide gauntlets (-2, +0) [+0, +3] [10s]
(If I'd known what they were I might have worn them.)
uncursed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3] [10s]
Cloaks ('[')
blessed cloak of adornment [+0, +0] {Ap+4} [40s]
uncursed hooded cloak [+1, +0] [40s]
Girdles ('[')
uncursed mithril girdle [+0, +2] [20s]
uncursed girdle of greed [+0, +0] [7s]
blessed girdle of greed [+0, +0] [7s]
Necklaces (''')
uncursed amulet of protection +2 [3s]
uncursed amulet of perseverance {Wi+3} [3s]
blessed rusty amulet of balance [3s]
heap of 2 uncursed amulets of free action [6s]
uncursed necklace of the silver tongue {Ch+3} [2s]
uncursed brass amulet [3s]
uncursed necklace of the eye [3s]
(This mighta been helpful as well, had I IDd it.)
uncursed rusty amulet of defense +2 [3s]
blessed amulet of order [3s]
One-handed weapons ('(')
blessed orcish knife (+3, 1d3+2) [10s]
uncursed orcish knife (+0, 1d3+3) [10s]
uncursed murderous mithril long sword (+0, 1d8+3) [32s]
uncursed adamantium long sword (+0, 1d8+5) [28s]
uncursed mithril dagger of mayhem (+0, 3d4+9) [8s]
(I was really looking forward to cutting loose on something with this bad
boy.)
uncursed sword of Nonnak (+2, 4d3+2) [+2, +2] {Wi+5} [80s]
uncursed pick axe (+2, 1d6+3) [75s]
Missile weapons ('}')
uncursed short bow (+3, +0) [20s]
heap of 2 uncursed short bows (+1, +0) [40s]
uncursed short bow (+1, +1) [20s]
Missiles ('/')
cursed arrow (+0, 1d6) [2s]
bundle of 13 cursed arrows (+0, 1d6+3) [26s]
bundle of 14 uncursed arrows (+0, 1d6) [28s]
bundle of 5 blessed arrows of construct slaying (+6, 1d6+3) [10s]
bundle of 8 uncursed arrows (+2, 1d6) [16s]
uncursed eternium drakish scurgar (+10, 2d8+9) [5s]
bundle of 2 uncursed drakish scurgari (+2, 1d8+2) [20s]
bundle of 4 uncursed eternium drakish scurgari (+10, 2d8+10) [20s]
Tools (']')
heap of 3 uncursed torches [30s]
blessed torch [10s]
heap of 2 uncursed boxes with flint and steel (28) [10s]
uncursed tinderbox (17) [3s]
cursed bandage [2s]
uncursed box with flint and steel (24) [5s]
heap of 2 uncursed hexagonal keys [2s]
uncursed tinderbox (9) [3s]
heap of 3 uncursed climbing sets [540s]
blessed si [10s]
uncursed tiny key [1s]
uncursed tinderbox (28) [3s]
uncursed holy symbol [5s]
uncursed box with flint and steel (40) [5s]
uncursed broken triangular key [1s]
blessed rusty square key [1s]
uncursed square key [1s]
uncursed thieves picks [5s]
uncursed plain blanket [10s]
cursed si [10s]
heap of 4 uncursed sis [40s]
Instruments ('{')
uncursed whistle [1s]
blessed flute [3s]
uncursed flute [3s]
uncursed tamborine [5s]
Rings ('=')
uncursed ring of searching [1s]
uncursed rusty ring of stun resistance [1s]
uncursed ring of mental stability [+0, +1] {Le+1} [1s]
cursed ring of the fish [1s]
uncursed ring of protection +1 [1s]
uncursed ring of damage [1s]
uncursed ring of fire resistance [1s]
uncursed brass ring [1s]
Wands ('\')
uncursed wand of monster creation (6 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of light (3 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of webbing (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed rusty wand of monster creation (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of fire (2 charges) [4s]
cursed wand of webbing (11 charges) [3s]
blessed wand of cold (8 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of item detection (5 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of ball lightning (4 charges) [4s]
uncursed wand of digging (4 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of far slaying (5 charges) [3s]
uncursed rusty wand of trap detection (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of trap creation (2 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of door creation (2 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of digging (4 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of fireballs (3 charges) [3s]
Potions ('!')
heap of 7 uncursed potions of healing [28s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of booze [8s]
heap of 11 potions of holy water [44s]
cursed oil of rust removal [2s]
uncursed potion of cure poison [2s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of troll blood [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of carrot juice [8s]
cursed potion of potential beauty [4s]
uncursed potion of beauty [4s]
heap of 2 uncursed potions of invisibility [8s]
uncursed potion of extra healing [2s]
cursed potion of boost toughness [2s]
blessed potion of raw mana [2s]
cursed potion of poison [4s]
cursed potion of healing [4s]
uncursed potion of mana [4s]
heap of 7 blessed potions of insight [14s]
uncursed potion of potential mana [4s]
heap of 6 blessed potions of extra healing [12s]
Scrolls ('?')
heap of 4 uncursed scrolls of uncursing [8s]
heap of 4 blessed scrolls of chaos resistance [8s]
uncursed scroll of item destruction [2s]
Food ('%')
(The usual bit.)
Valuables ('$')
47724 gold pieces [477s]
Gems ('*')
uncursed crystal of power [1s]
uncursed amber [1s]
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Weapon Skills
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Melee weapon Lvl Hit Dam DV Level Required marks
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Unarmed fighting 1 +1 +0 +0 basic 22
(Kicking j's.)
Daggers & knives 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 15
(I was going to train this once I managed to get whips even higher. Wish the
bard ability had granted a couple levels in this instead of clubs, axes,
polearms and slings. It did give levels in swords and whips, which was
certainly nice.)
Swords 5 +3 +2 +1 skilled 170
Whips 11 +16 +11 +11 Mastery 2014
Missile weapon Lvl Hit Dam Ra Level Required marks
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Bows 4 +8 +6 +1 skilled 52
Boomerangs & scurgari 6 +12 +9 +2 skilled 120
Shields Lvl DV Level Required marks
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Shields 4 +8 skilled 46
Damage caused with your melee weapons:
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Right hand: +14 bonus to hit, 1d3+12 damage
Damage caused with your missile weapons:
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Ammunition: 1, base range: 8, +31 bonus to hit, 2d4+17 damage
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Skills
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Athletics ................ 99 (superb) [+2d4]
Climbing .................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Concentration ............ 99 (superb) [+2d4]
Courage .................. 49 (fair) [+2d4]
(Seven skill increases at level-up to 16. Used 5 on this in prep for
pyramid. Did help.)
Detect traps .............100 (superb) [+2d4]
Dodge .................... 66 (good) [+2d4]
First aid ................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Food preservation ........100 (superb) [+2d4]
Gardening ................ 62 (good) [+2d4]
Haggling ................. 83 (great) [+2d4]
Healing ..................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Law ...................... 29 (mediocre) [+3d3]
Listening ................ 99 (superb) [+3d5]
Literacy ................. 93 (superb) [+1d5]
Music ....................100 (superb) [+2d4]
Pick pockets ............. 80 (great) [+2d4]
Stealth .................. 85 (great) [+1d3]
Swimming ................. 21 (mediocre) [+3d5]
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Spells
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Light: 261, 3pp (Effectivity: +1)
(The only spellbook I found. Then it got soaked, so I couldn't even
bookcast.)
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Her achievements during her adventures:
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Astara, the gray elven bard, was consumed by a torrent of acid.
She scored 118531 points and advanced to level 16.
She survived for 0 years, 24 days, 6 hours, 3 minutes and 27 seconds (67782
turns).
9 companions were killed during her adventures.
Astara visited 39 places.
Her strength score was modified by +4 during her career.
Her learning score was modified by +1 during her career.
Her willpower score was modified by +1 during her career.
Her dexterity score was modified by +1 during her career.
Her toughness score was modified by +6 during her career.
Her charisma score was modified by +5 during her career.
Her appearance score was modified by +2 during her career.
Her mana score was modified by +2 during her career.
Her perception score was modified by +6 during her career.
She was a member of the thieves guild.
She ended her adventuring life on level 13 of the caverns of chaos.
2169 monsters perished under her attacks.
The following six artifacts were generated during her adventure:
the si
the cloak of Oman
the sword of Nonnak
the elemental gauntlets
the ancient mummy wrapping
the ankh
She possessed the following intrinsics:
She was fire resistant.
(From a fire lizard. "Level 2".)
She was poison resistant.
She was lucky (enhanced through an item).
Fate smiled upon her (enhanced through an item).
She was able to teleport (gained through an item).
She was able to control teleportation.
She was stun resistant (gained through an item).
She was immune to ice attacks.
She had the following talents: Beast of Burden, Boon to the Family,
Charming, Healthy, Heir, Master Packager, Porter, Sixth Sense.
She had a final speed score of 111 (final base speed: 111).
She was a fervent follower of Ayssia.
She asked for 2 divine interventions.
She was a holy champion of Balance.
She was slightly tainted by Chaos.
The following monsters were vanquished:
1 acid vortex
(I believe this was a separate encounter higher in the dungeon, but my
memory is cloudy.)
1 air grue
1 ankheg
(Shoulda tamed it.)
19 blink dogs
(One damn corpse.)
1 bone golem
1 crime lord
1 demented ratling
(Saccage, baby.)
1 giant slug
(I encountered it in the DH, but I didn't manage to get a corpse. Needless
to say it would have kicked ass.)
2 half-orc bouncers
39 jackals
6 jackalweres
(Pretty good, for this point in the game. Can't tame them all, but I
minimized the damage, I think.)
1 lightning lizard
(To get the immunity, the corpse has to be blessed? (I didn't get a
corpse.))
1 master necromancer
1 mummy lord
2 quicklings
(NO DAMN CORPSES!)
1 raider lord
1 undead chaos dwarven berserker
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Curry Bucket
You like dealing drugs? Try DeadHeads' Delight, my parody of Drug Wars.
Download version 0.5.0 at www.geocities.com/currybucket
E-mail? Slap 'nuck' off the end and knock yourself out.
Stephen White
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> blessed ancient mummy wrapping [+1, +5] {Ap-8} [60s]
Any reason you weren't using this? Was food a problem? Much better
stats than the one you were wearing.
> Rings ('=')
> uncursed ring of searching [1s]
> uncursed rusty ring of stun resistance [1s]
> uncursed ring of mental stability [+0, +1] {Le+1} [1s]
> cursed ring of the fish [1s]
> uncursed ring of protection +1 [1s]
> uncursed ring of damage [1s]
> uncursed ring of fire resistance [1s]
> uncursed brass ring [1s]
Personally I'd choose the ring of damage and mental stability
over the searching and stun resistance any day. Were they not
identified?
Not that this would have help you here of course, but just in
general, you know.
Curry Bucket
To be honest, it never occured to me. I don't usually wear it (though I also
usually have better armour), and though I carry it around "just in case", it
never leaves the pack. Force of habit, I guess.
Well, just to throw a justification your way, with female grey elves I do
actually value having a very high Ap. (I'm not saying that's a good excuse.)
> > Rings ('=')
> > uncursed ring of searching
[1s]
> > uncursed rusty ring of stun resistance
[1s]
> > uncursed ring of mental stability [+0, +1] {Le+1}
[1s]
> > cursed ring of the fish
[1s]
> > uncursed ring of protection +1
[1s]
> > uncursed ring of damage
[1s]
> > uncursed ring of fire resistance
[1s]
> > uncursed brass ring
[1s]
>
> Personally I'd choose the ring of damage and mental stability
> over the searching and stun resistance any day. Were they not
> identified?
Well, at the time I put the latter rings on, I didn't have the former. Well,
I didn't have the RoD. The only one of those rings I considered putting on
later was the RotF. Again, habitual.
The Wanderer
> Stephen White queries:
<snip ancient mummy wrapping in backpack>
>> Any reason you weren't using this? Was food a problem? Much better
>> stats than the one you were wearing.
>
> To be honest, it never occured to me. I don't usually wear it (though
> I also usually have better armour), and though I carry it around
> "just in case", it never leaves the pack. Force of habit, I guess.
>
> Well, just to throw a justification your way, with female grey elves
> I do actually value having a very high Ap. (I'm not saying that's a
> good excuse.)
Here's a counterargument for you: picture a highly beautiful woman
dressed in the sort of rotten, patchy rags one could presume the mummy
wrapping to be. Can you honestly tell me that she looks *worse* that way
than she would in armor? <grin>
--
The Wanderer
A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them.
Danielle
And remember you can always take off the mummy wrapping when doing things
which check appearance... a relatively short list, probably just
getting and ordering companions around, and selling/buying in shops.
As a bard, you shouldn't have had any problems ordering your companions
(I don't see that you even had any, actually, from your screen shot) to
do anything... even with low appearance.
And, actually, having a stat lowered is a great way to train it, especially
with such a nonessential one as appearance.
Danielle
Curry Bucket
> The Wanderer <inverse...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<kamdnQueUKz...@comcast.com>...
> > Curry Bucket wrote:
> > > Stephen White queries:
> >
> > <snip ancient mummy wrapping in backpack>
> > >> Any reason you weren't using this? Was food a problem? Much better
> > >> stats than the one you were wearing.
> > >
> > > To be honest, it never occured to me. I don't usually wear it (though
> > > I also usually have better armour), and though I carry it around
> > > "just in case", it never leaves the pack. Force of habit, I guess.
> > >
> > > Well, just to throw a justification your way, with female grey elves
> > > I do actually value having a very high Ap. (I'm not saying that's a
> > > good excuse.)
> >
> > Here's a counterargument for you: picture a highly beautiful woman
> > dressed in the sort of rotten, patchy rags one could presume the mummy
> > wrapping to be. Can you honestly tell me that she looks *worse* that way
> > than she would in armor? <grin>
>
> And remember you can always take off the mummy wrapping when doing things
> which check appearance... a relatively short list, probably just
> getting and ordering companions around, and selling/buying in shops.
Well, like I said, it was force of habit more than anything; I probably
would have worn it if it had occured to me to wear it. (And those mirror
rooms still wouldn't have been a problem.)
Besides, isn't the ordering around of companions entirely dependent on
charisma?
> As a bard, you shouldn't have had any problems ordering your companions
> (I don't see that you even had any, actually, from your screen shot) to
> do anything... even with low appearance.
Well, I decided that, with my 7LB on, companions would just be a pain in the
ass. I had a tame black bear waiting around on D:1. With my bards, I usually
just use companions as situational assistants. If we're talking about cats
and jackals, I'll tame them just send them off on a kamikaze mission.
> And, actually, having a stat lowered is a great way to train it,
especially
> with such a nonessential one as appearance.
I like to keep it high, just for the mirror rooms. I get more Ch and I
preserve my Pe (both also important). But then, if I wore the wrapping it
still would have been high enough. But *then*, I mentioned that above.
Apologies.
Frances Kathleen Moffatt
> Curry Bucket wrote:
[female GE wearing ancient mummy wrapping]
>> Well, just to throw a justification your way, with female grey elves
>> I do actually value having a very high Ap. (I'm not saying that's a
>> good excuse.)
> Here's a counterargument for you: picture a highly beautiful woman
> dressed in the sort of rotten, patchy rags one could presume the mummy
> wrapping to be. Can you honestly tell me that she looks *worse* that way
> than she would in armor? <grin>
While the woman currently wearing the linen wrappings is quite beautiful,
you can tell by looking that Rehetep was obviously attached to them--the
shreds of rotting meat where the flesh of the former owner scabbed over
onto his grave wrappings make that quite clear. Her luminous skin is
revealed in tantalizing glimpses, contrasting sharply with the scabrous
decay of the rags as they rub over her body, depositing streaks of
powdering mould. The enticing glow of her skin is significantly reduced
by the way it mixes with the grime of her clothes, resulting in streaks
and dapples of a vile slime that lets the vermin in the ancient mummy
wrapping nest comfortably on her skin without ever quite concealing them
from your increasingly nauseated gaze...
Myself, I'll contemplate either fancy clothes or leather armour.
Love and coffee,
Frances
Curry Bucket
"Frances Kathleen Moffatt" <dv...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:bk50pu$efd$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca...
Well, I guess I don't have to worry about getting hungry during my
three-hour linguistics lecture tonight. Thank you very much, Frances. This
image will be in my mind every time I see a smokin' babe.
Really, I couldn't have written this better (or worse) myself. Very graphic
and descriptive. You're sicker than me (quite a feat).
Frances Kathleen Moffatt
> "Frances Kathleen Moffatt" <dv...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
[female GE wearing ancient mummy wrapping - graphic description]
> Well, I guess I don't have to worry about getting hungry during my
> three-hour linguistics lecture tonight. Thank you very much, Frances. This
> image will be in my mind every time I see a smokin' babe.
I find a carefully administered dose of Luis Royo is a pretty handy
antidote to this sort of reaction. :)
> Really, I couldn't have written this better (or worse) myself. Very graphic
> and descriptive. You're sicker than me (quite a feat).
...wow. I think I'm flattered.
I credit it all to formative years spent in England and the blessed
influence of Tales From the Crypt (no, not the TV show). Graham Ingles,
what a guy...
Love and coffee,
Frances
Ratatoskr
>
>
> To be honest, it never occured to me. I don't usually wear it (though I also
> usually have better armour), and though I carry it around "just in case", it
> never leaves the pack. Force of habit, I guess.
> Well, just to throw a justification your way, with female grey elves I do
> actually value having a very high Ap. (I'm not saying that's a good excuse.)
[snip]
> Well, at the time I put the latter rings on, I didn't have the former. Well,
> I didn't have the RoD. The only one of those rings I considered putting on
> later was the RotF. Again, habitual.
>
Not trying to patronise you or anything, God knows I haul around way too
many unreflected habits myself, but don't you agree that it's exactly
those habits which inhibit our skill advancement as ADoM players, and
that we could reach a higher level of proficiency if we allowed
ourselves to use the resources at hand more open-mindedly?
Just my thoughts, and I'm sure they apply to myself way more than they
apply to you, so please don't be offended.
To illustrate what I mean, I have dug out an old post by the ingenious
Petri Sihvola about one tactic he devised. I was struck in awe by the
lucid beauty and pure genius of it, and I could NEVER have figured out
anything like it myself.
*sigh* I guess that's the difference between the shining demi-gods and
us mere mortals.
Here's the link. Note that it leads to a VERY spoily piece of
information, of course.
http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3b62a805.15321529%40news.phnet.fi
Curry Bucket
> Curry Bucket wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > To be honest, it never occured to me. I don't usually wear it (though I
also
> > usually have better armour), and though I carry it around "just in
case", it
> > never leaves the pack. Force of habit, I guess.
> > Well, just to throw a justification your way, with female grey elves I
do
> > actually value having a very high Ap. (I'm not saying that's a good
excuse.)
>
> [snip]
>
> > Well, at the time I put the latter rings on, I didn't have the former.
Well,
> > I didn't have the RoD. The only one of those rings I considered putting
on
> > later was the RotF. Again, habitual.
> >
>
> Not trying to patronise you or anything, God knows I haul around way too
> many unreflected habits myself, but don't you agree that it's exactly
> those habits which inhibit our skill advancement as ADoM players, and
> that we could reach a higher level of proficiency if we allowed
> ourselves to use the resources at hand more open-mindedly?
> Just my thoughts, and I'm sure they apply to myself way more than they
> apply to you, so please don't be offended.
I'm not offended, not at all. I'm not the kind to take offence from
constructive criticism, and if I was, it would probably be hypocritical :).
If anything, I'm glad you indicated this. Next game, I'll certainly try to
shake my old habits and try something new. After all, I've been playing ADOM
for a year and a half, and the furthest I've ever gotten was past the first
four temples. And that was playing a gnomish elementalist... with a greater
titan companion who basically did all the major killing (though I regret not
getting the experience points from the SfB and the ACW). In fact, that was
the only game I had ever managed to challenge the Tower.
> To illustrate what I mean, I have dug out an old post by the ingenious
> Petri Sihvola about one tactic he devised. I was struck in awe by the
> lucid beauty and pure genius of it, and I could NEVER have figured out
> anything like it myself.
>
> *sigh* I guess that's the difference between the shining demi-gods and
> us mere mortals.
>
> Here's the link. Note that it leads to a VERY spoily piece of
> information, of course.
>
>
http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3b62a805.15321529%40news.phnet.fi
Wow.
That's certainly an inventive mind at work. Damn, that's good.
You're right, Ratatoskr, that's the kind of stuff that we've gotta be doing:
finding new and creative ways to get ahead.
Still looking for a YAFVP after 18 months,
Curry Bucket
Curry Bucket
> ... and if I was, it would probably be hypocritical :).
I'm sorry, that should be "and if I were". Bloody subjunctive.
I apologize for any semantic misconceptions this error may have caused.
That is all. Thank you for your time.
Ratatoskr
> After all, I've been playing ADOM
> for a year and a half, and the furthest I've ever gotten was past the first
> four temples.
Well, if you've gotten that far, it's only a matter of time until you go
all the way. I expect to read YAVP from you very soon.
BTW, what chars are you playing nowadays? Ever tried those Candle-born
dwarven barbarians I usually recommend? Those are chars that are more
likely to forgive minor playing mistakes than other
Race/Class/BS-combos. And if he/she happens to get crowned with
Vanquisher, all those baddies are in for a ride.
> And that was playing a gnomish elementalist... with a greater
> titan companion who basically did all the major killing (though I regret not
> getting the experience points from the SfB and the ACW). In fact, that was
> the only game I had ever managed to challenge the Tower.
That's exactly why I HATE companions of any sort. I want to get all the
glory for myself, dammit! That's no dogma for me, mind you, I will use
the occasional SoFS at the right moment, but haul those suckers around
everywhere I go, letting them fatten up on experience I could very well
use myself, only to get killed by them as early as they decide to get a
temper tantrum? No, thanks.
How did above mentioned character of yours die, anyway?
>
>>To illustrate what I mean, I have dug out an old post by the ingenious
>>Petri Sihvola about one tactic he devised. I was struck in awe by the
>>lucid beauty and pure genius of it, and I could NEVER have figured out
>>anything like it myself.
>>
>>*sigh* I guess that's the difference between the shining demi-gods and
>>us mere mortals.
>>
>>Here's the link. Note that it leads to a VERY spoily piece of
>>information, of course.
>>
>>
>
> http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3b62a805.15321529%40news.phnet.fi
>
> Wow.
> That's certainly an inventive mind at work. Damn, that's good.
> You're right, Ratatoskr, that's the kind of stuff that we've gotta be doing:
> finding new and creative ways to get ahead.
And that's just one example out of many. It really pays off to google
for posts by this guy. If he had merchandise available, I'd buy some of
it. And no, I'm not the adoring type.
Imagine a McFarlane Action Figure of Petri Sihvola whacking the ACW into
oblivion with dual-wielded scrolls of peace. Hell, I'd be first in line
at my local retailer the day it hits the market.
>
> Still looking for a YAFVP after 18 months,
Good luck, then. Nothing beats that feeling. You won't have to look much
longer. Promise.
Ratatoskr
> Those are chars that are more
> likely to forgive minor playing mistakes than other
> Race/Class/BS-combos.
BS meaning BirthSign here, obviously. Just in case there was any confusion.
And please accept the standard apology for replying to myself.
Ratatoskr
> I blurted without thought:
>
>
>>... and if I was, it would probably be hypocritical :).
>
>
> I'm sorry, that should be "and if I were". Bloody subjunctive.
> I apologize for any semantic misconceptions this error may have caused.
> That is all. Thank you for your time.
>
Now there's a post Midge Ure should be required to read...
Curry Bucket
> Curry Bucket wrote:
> > After all, I've been playing ADOM
> > for a year and a half, and the furthest I've ever gotten was past the
first
> > four temples.
>
> Well, if you've gotten that far, it's only a matter of time until you go
> all the way. I expect to read YAVP from you very soon.
> BTW, what chars are you playing nowadays? Ever tried those Candle-born
> dwarven barbarians I usually recommend? Those are chars that are more
> likely to forgive minor playing mistakes than other
> Race/Class/BS-combos. And if he/she happens to get crowned with
> Vanquisher, all those baddies are in for a ride.
I'm not much into the flat-out melee types myself. I find them kind of
boring. And the game is, of course, about having fun.
At my skill level, I still prefer straight spellcasters (wizards and
elementalists). I also enjoy playing bards quite a bit. I used to love
playing drakeling rangers, with the two swords and scurgari; then I realized
I wasn't getting anywhere without undue effort. When I'm in the mood for
melee, I go with weaponsmiths (not dwarf, though) or even healers. Assassins
can be fun too, with the fantastic weapon skills they start with. I tend to
stick to grey elves for most purposes nowadays.
> > And that was playing a gnomish elementalist... with a greater
> > titan companion who basically did all the major killing (though I regret
not
> > getting the experience points from the SfB and the ACW). In fact, that
was
> > the only game I had ever managed to challenge the Tower.
>
> That's exactly why I HATE companions of any sort. I want to get all the
> glory for myself, dammit! That's no dogma for me, mind you, I will use
> the occasional SoFS at the right moment, but haul those suckers around
> everywhere I go, letting them fatten up on experience I could very well
> use myself, only to get killed by them as early as they decide to get a
> temper tantrum? No, thanks.
I got the SoFS from Thrundy, so I went down to the DH and read it, as I
usually do (I won't in my next game). I was actually lucky to have him
around when I ran into a horde of white unicorns around CoC 40, though. In
that game I also picked up Hawk (first and only time), but I'll think twice
next time.
I'm not a big fan of companions, not only because they steal xp but they're
also slow, but I'm a really clumsy player and I like having them around as
assurance, you know.
> How did above mentioned character of yours die, anyway?
Back in January I had a whole series of threads going on Reella and her
escapades, since I was experiencing all kinds of things I'd never
experienced. The older posts about her are somewhat marred by the fact that
I was doing a half-assed job of attributing my responses properly, but I'm
sure you could look past that if you looked her up. (You could also look up
my apology to the group, just to see I tried to make amends in the stupidest
way I could.)
The YASD thread is
http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=Reella&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=20030126204645.04943.00000241%40mb-cn.aol.com&rnum=1.
It didn't generate much interest in the group; I suppose my constant
questions and comments about her game just pissed everyone off.
> >>To illustrate what I mean, I have dug out an old post by the ingenious
> >>Petri Sihvola about one tactic he devised. I was struck in awe by the
> >>lucid beauty and pure genius of it, and I could NEVER have figured out
> >>anything like it myself.
> >>
> >>*sigh* I guess that's the difference between the shining demi-gods and
> >>us mere mortals.
> >>
> >>Here's the link. Note that it leads to a VERY spoily piece of
> >>information, of course.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3b62a805.15321529%40news.phnet.fi
> >
> > Wow.
> > That's certainly an inventive mind at work. Damn, that's good.
> > You're right, Ratatoskr, that's the kind of stuff that we've gotta be
doing:
> > finding new and creative ways to get ahead.
>
> And that's just one example out of many. It really pays off to google
> for posts by this guy. If he had merchandise available, I'd buy some of
> it. And no, I'm not the adoring type.
> Imagine a McFarlane Action Figure of Petri Sihvola whacking the ACW into
> oblivion with dual-wielded scrolls of peace. Hell, I'd be first in line
> at my local retailer the day it hits the market.
I'm sure that would generate quite a stir in the toy world. The "Petri
Sihvola figurine of wondrous power".
> > Still looking for a YAFVP after 18 months,
>
> Good luck, then. Nothing beats that feeling. You won't have to look much
> longer. Promise.
Oh, well now I'm probably jinxed.
But I don't play as often anymore. In Windows XP it's something of a pain.
And with university studies and a crappy roommate, I've gotta actually try
to do some work this year. No more coasting through high school, getting
high on roguelikes and developing conspiracy theories in the shadow of an
existentialist hatred of everything.
But I guess the victory could come some time soon. In theory. Thank you for
the encouragement. Indeed, it's nice to experience the sensation one feels
when another is empathetic (at least I assume this is the sensation).
*Everyone pity the poor kid on the $9000 loan who gave blood yesterday and
has to put up with his homosexual roommate's constant nudity and drawer full
of drugs and aphrodesiacs!*
Frances Kathleen Moffatt
> To illustrate what I mean, I have dug out an old post by the ingenious
> Petri Sihvola about one tactic he devised. I was struck in awe by the
> lucid beauty and pure genius of it, and I could NEVER have figured out
> Here's the link. Note that it leads to a VERY spoily piece of
> information, of course.
> http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3b62a805.15321529%40news.phnet.fi
*bows down before the man who could make a Chaos God panic*
Yowza.
Love and coffee,
Frances
Ratatoskr
[snip]
>
>
> I'm not much into the flat-out melee types myself. I find them kind of
> boring. And the game is, of course, about having fun.
WHAT? Since when is saving the world supposed to be fun?! You should
definitely reevaluate your attitude there, mister. ;)
> At my skill level, I still prefer straight spellcasters (wizards and
> elementalists). I also enjoy playing bards quite a bit. I used to love
> playing drakeling rangers, with the two swords and scurgari; then I realized
> I wasn't getting anywhere without undue effort. When I'm in the mood for
> melee, I go with weaponsmiths (not dwarf, though) or even healers. Assassins
> can be fun too, with the fantastic weapon skills they start with. I tend to
> stick to grey elves for most purposes nowadays.
Ever considered Archers? I find them fun to play and tend to get far
with them. Plus, with the concentration skill, they make decent
spellcasters too.
[snip]
>
>
> Oh, well now I'm probably jinxed.
Oh my God! What did I do!?
> But I don't play as often anymore. In Windows XP it's something of a pain.
> And with university studies and a crappy roommate, I've gotta actually try
> to do some work this year. No more coasting through high school, getting
> high on roguelikes and developing conspiracy theories in the shadow of an
> existentialist hatred of everything.
Ah, the pleasures of youth...
> But I guess the victory could come some time soon. In theory. Thank you for
> the encouragement. Indeed, it's nice to experience the sensation one feels
> when another is empathetic (at least I assume this is the sensation).
> *Everyone pity the poor kid on the $9000 loan who gave blood yesterday and
> has to put up with his homosexual roommate's constant nudity and drawer full
> of drugs and aphrodesiacs!*
You're welcome :)
Curry Bucket
> Curry Bucket wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >
> >
> > I'm not much into the flat-out melee types myself. I find them kind of
> > boring. And the game is, of course, about having fun.
>
> WHAT? Since when is saving the world supposed to be fun?! You should
> definitely reevaluate your attitude there, mister. ;)
Hey, I'm a philosopher at heart. There's no way I'm gonna try and save the
world if I can't get something out of the experience.
> > At my skill level, I still prefer straight spellcasters (wizards and
> > elementalists). I also enjoy playing bards quite a bit. I used to love
> > playing drakeling rangers, with the two swords and scurgari; then I
realized
> > I wasn't getting anywhere without undue effort. When I'm in the mood for
> > melee, I go with weaponsmiths (not dwarf, though) or even healers.
Assassins
> > can be fun too, with the fantastic weapon skills they start with. I tend
to
> > stick to grey elves for most purposes nowadays.
>
> Ever considered Archers? I find them fun to play and tend to get far
> with them. Plus, with the concentration skill, they make decent
> spellcasters too.
I've tried archers. They're all right. My habits lead me to try and conserve
my ammo though. Since I'm trying to change my habits, I oughta give them
more of a chance.
Besides, I'm more drawn to the concept of a sexy grey elf throwing cones of
ice out of her hands. It's the way I'd like my life to be. (I don't think
that's disturbing.)
> [snip]
>
> >
> >
> > Oh, well now I'm probably jinxed.
>
> Oh my God! What did I do!?
Woah, you're a tad defensive. I was just being a bastard, no need to panic.
I should be panicking. When a hurricane makes it all the way up to Ottawa,
you know it's got gusto. (But then, looking out the window, it's not that
bad. It's just that this residence building is so crappy you just get the
feeling it'll topple over and crush the architecture building.)
> > But I don't play as often anymore. In Windows XP it's something of a
pain.
> > And with university studies and a crappy roommate, I've gotta actually
try
> > to do some work this year. No more coasting through high school, getting
> > high on roguelikes and developing conspiracy theories in the shadow of
an
> > existentialist hatred of everything.
>
> Ah, the pleasures of youth...
Ohh, my, those were good times. Just looking back at my yearbooks, and all
the mockery and death threats written by my friends, well, it's just
touching.
But the best part of my youth was growing my chin hair into the greatest
goatee conceivable. I became an intramural high school icon. (Well the
goatee became an icon; I was just detested. Especially after my failed
attempt to initiate a school club, the Society of Free Thinkers (SoFT).)
> > But I guess the victory could come some time soon. In theory. Thank you
for
> > the encouragement. Indeed, it's nice to experience the sensation one
feels
> > when another is empathetic (at least I assume this is the sensation).
> > *Everyone pity the poor kid on the $9000 loan who gave blood yesterday
and
> > has to put up with his homosexual roommate's constant nudity and drawer
full
> > of drugs and aphrodesiacs!*
>
> You're welcome :)
That's not quite the pity I was expecting. Maybe something more along the
lines of "OMG dats so baaaad!!!" would have been appropriate. (I have to
stop making fun of teeny-boppers; it's just so damned easy.)
matija
> (I have to stop making fun of teeny-boppers; it's just so damned easy.)
http://www.geocities.com/vcheerahs/indexx.html
--
there is a cheer. the gnomes have learned a new way to say hooray. [-shpongle]
address is scrambled - remove SPAMISEVIL to reply
Graeme Dice
Nah, that would be Gottfried Herold. A 3000 HP, 11K MP wizard doesn't
have too much to worry about.
Graeme Dice
--
"There is hopeful symbolism in the fact that flags do not
wave in a vacuum."
-- Arthur C. Clarke
Curry Bucket
> Curry Bucket, completely geschtonkenflapped, wrote:
> > (I have to stop making fun of teeny-boppers; it's just so damned easy.)
>
> http://www.geocities.com/vcheerahs/indexx.html
... Holy <explicate>...
The thing that is especially sad about his page is the fact that "rachie" is
a few years past the teeny-bopper phase. She's out of high school, for
shit's sake. She's older that me. It stands as a testament to the gross
commercialization of youth culture today. This, of course, results in a
massive brain-rot that renders imagination and individuality non-factors in
human development. To me, that is the crime of all crimes. (But then, you
probably all know that by now.)
When I get my website complete, this will be exactly the sort of thing I
deplore. (I was originally inspired to create Curry Bucket's Controversial
Web Presence by a site I stumbled upon by punching my name into the Address
line (www.josh.com). What I found (at the time) was Josh's Non-Controversial
Web Site, which was essentially a crusty photo album. Unfortunately, the
site seems to be down right now. Big loss to the world.)
Thank you for the link, matija (how you found it, I dunno). It exemplifies
the toilet that our society is swirling in.
Frances Kathleen Moffatt
> Frances Kathleen Moffatt wrote:
>> Ratatoskr (fear_t...@yahoo.de) writes:
>> > To illustrate what I mean, I have dug out an old post by the ingenious
>> > Petri Sihvola about one tactic he devised. I was struck in awe by the
>> > lucid beauty and pure genius of it, and I could NEVER have figured out
>> > Here's the link. Note that it leads to a VERY spoily piece of
>> > information, of course.
>> > http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3b62a805.15321529%40news.phnet.fi
>> *bows down before the man who could make a Chaos God panic*
> Nah, that would be Gottfried Herold. A 3000 HP, 11K MP wizard doesn't
> have too much to worry about.
I meant Petri, from David Chapman's reference to him:
http://groups.google.ca/groups?selm=9lunrp%24b20i9%243%40ID-93395.news.dfncis.de&output=gplain
Love and coffee,
Frances
Ratatoskr
Classic.