Left-orium
Andreas Grates
There's a question prying on my mind:
Does in ADOM exist an explicit concept of left/righthandedness? Somehow
it seems, for I saw on a character with two alike weapons different
to-hit for left and right hand!
Andreas Grates
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Marcus
> There's a question prying on my mind:
> Does in ADOM exist an explicit concept of left/righthandedness? Somehow
> it seems, for I saw on a character with two alike weapons different
> to-hit for left and right hand!
>
> Andreas Grates
It assumes you are right handed.
John C.
>Hi folks!
>There's a question prying on my mind:
>Does in ADOM exist an explicit concept of left/righthandedness? Somehow
>it seems, for I saw on a character with two alike weapons different
>to-hit for left and right hand!
>
Yes, it assumes you are right-handed. Being left-handed myself, I find this
very annoying, as it implies that all hero's or famous people are right-handed
which is far from the truth. IMO, you should be able to pick whether you are
right or left-handed. If so, some classes such as archers[1] and swordsmen
should get bonuses from being left-handed.
[1] From what I've heard, left handed people are better shots (with bow, sling,
gun (I am a deadly shot with one myself), etc.
-John
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You are like totally dead man!
Do you want me to tell you about the junk you're carrying?"
-The finger of death attack from nethack.
Hexedian
> Andreas Grates wrote:
>
>>Hi folks!
>>There's a question prying on my mind:
>>Does in ADOM exist an explicit concept of left/righthandedness? Somehow
>>it seems, for I saw on a character with two alike weapons different
>>to-hit for left and right hand!
>>
>
> Yes, it assumes you are right-handed. Being left-handed myself, I find this
> very annoying, as it implies that all hero's or famous people are right-handed
> which is far from the truth. IMO, you should be able to pick whether you are
> right or left-handed. If so, some classes such as archers[1] and swordsmen
> should get bonuses from being left-handed.
Things for the left-hand vs right-hand system : left-handed people could
like it more, a little more realistic.
Things against : bunch of code to change.
I think that settles it.
Juuso Heimonen
: Things for the left-hand vs right-hand system : left-handed people could
: like it more, a little more realistic.
:
: Things against : bunch of code to change.
Woah! That reminded me of SMAC!
"Manifold harmonic fields : within, the true nature of the universe becomes
apparent. Layers : within layers. Worlds : within worlds. Inside : the heart
of everything opens, and everything opens to it."
--
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Antti Tuominen
Ok, now you got me starting a game of Alien Crossfire... I still don't
like the weird talk the aliens use, hard to understand. (currently
playing Guardian H'minee of the Caretakers)
--
Antti
"I would rather spend 10 hours reading someone else's source code than
10 minutes listening to Musak waiting for technical support which isn't."
(By Dr. Greg Wettstein, Roger Maris Cancer Center)
Dino62
(trolls) had their hammer in left hand from the start for some reason.
Ok, some people are left handed and would like their charakters to be
alike, but then... are forced to discuss again the females or... the -
other people :-))) I hope not, tis is only a game!!!!
Juuso Heimonen
: : "Manifold harmonic fields : within, the true nature of the universe becomes
: : apparent. Layers : within layers. Worlds : within worlds. Inside : the heart
: : of everything opens, and everything opens to it."
:
: Ok, now you got me starting a game of Alien Crossfire... I still don't
: like the weird talk the aliens use, hard to understand.
Yeah. Either it has some deeper meaning or the writer was seriously stoned =)
--
Juuso Heimonen \ juuso.h...@gmx.co.uk
Kari Kuivalainen
> Yes, it assumes you are right-handed. Being left-handed myself, I find this
> very annoying, as it implies that all hero's or famous people are right-handed
> which is far from the truth. IMO, you should be able to pick whether you are
> right or left-handed. If so, some classes such as archers[1] and swordsmen
> should get bonuses from being left-handed.
>
> [1] From what I've heard, left handed people are better shots (with bow, sling,
> gun (I am a deadly shot with one myself), etc.
>
> -John
us left-handed. I don't mean adom or thomas would be racists of
somekind but making a possibility to be left-handed in adom would be
cool.
Frances Kathleen Moffatt
> Things for the left-hand vs right-hand system : left-handed people could
> like it more, a little more realistic.
> Things against : bunch of code to change.
Would it really be that much code to change? As far as I can tell, the
only time the question of left- or right-handedness comes up is on the
inventory screen; the fastest way to make the change would be to label
slot F "Left Hand" and slot G "Right Hand".
Love and coffee,
Frances
Dino62
>
> Would it really be that much code to change? As far as I can tell, the
> only time the question of left- or right-handedness comes up is on the
> inventory screen; the fastest way to make the change would be to label
> slot F "Left Hand" and slot G "Right Hand".
>
> Love and coffee,
> Frances
I don't know how many changes does this implicate, but yes, that would
be nicwe. I do not understand people criticising lefhanded ones, because
it is so plain stupid... Who cares which hand do u use???? Well, byut
some people just would like to be soooo average :-) Ok, I am average and
right=handed, the feature would indeed be nice, but do noit start
another argument about minority .... we humans are all but minorities,
in all respects... Just let us adomites stay nice to each other and to
the rest of humanity if possible:-)
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icq 177967460
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Sam Blanning
"Kari Kuivalainen" <kars...@hotmail.com> wrote...
> tigersh...@aol.com (John C.) wrote...
> > Yes, it assumes you are right-handed. Being left-handed myself, I find
this
> > very annoying, as it implies that all hero's or famous people are
right-handed
> > which is far from the truth. IMO, you should be able to pick whether you
are
> > right or left-handed. If so, some classes such as archers[1] and
swordsmen
> > should get bonuses from being left-handed.
> >
> > [1] From what I've heard, left handed people are better shots (with bow,
sling,
> > gun (I am a deadly shot with one myself), etc.
> >
> us left-handed. I don't mean adom or thomas would be racists of
> somekind but making a possibility to be left-handed in adom would be
> cool.
Pff. Discrimination? Well, if we're going to provide for quasi-minorities, I
demand recognition of mine - we should be able to make shorter-than-average
characters with increased DV and a decreased chance to get critical hits
(harder to hit your opponent's head).
Frances Kathleen Moffatt
> Pff. Discrimination? Well, if we're going to provide for quasi-minorities, I
> demand recognition of mine - we should be able to make shorter-than-average
> characters with increased DV and a decreased chance to get critical hits
> (harder to hit your opponent's head).
You're short? I always imagined you as average-to-tall. Weird.
A/y, I don't think being shorter should decrease your chances of getting
criticals. Remember, when his hands are level with your head, his groin
is on a level with your teeth.
Love and coffee,
Frances
Dino62
> You're short? I always imagined you as average-to-tall. Weird.
>
> A/y, I don't think being shorter should decrease your chances of getting
> criticals. Remember, when his hands are level with your head, his groin
> is on a level with your teeth.
Love that one! remember ian the gnome from Baldur's gate? "Yer knees are
now mine!" And what with color blind people if we speak 'bout
minorities?.... Should we ask Thomas to deal with this, as well ? :-)
Love and do whatever you like!
Una z Pogranicza
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icq 177967460
Frances Kathleen Moffatt
> Uz.ytkownik Frances Kathleen Moffatt napisa?:
>> A/y, I don't think being shorter should decrease your chances of getting
>> criticals. Remember, when his hands are level with your head, his groin
>> is on a level with your teeth.
> Love that one! remember ian the gnome from Baldur's gate? "Yer knees are
> now mine!"
I can't claim the credit for that one; it's Terry Pratchett's.
> And what with color blind people if we speak 'bout
> minorities?.... Should we ask Thomas to deal with this, as well ? :-)
I'm sure it would be much simpler to fiddle with the display on your
monitor so that things came out appropriately.
Love and coffee,
Frances
John C.
And what with color blind people if we speak 'bout
>minorities?.... Should we ask Thomas to deal with this, as well ? :-)
>
Being left-handed isn't a handicap (like colorblindness is) dammit! One out of
10 people are left-handed and it's a common realistic thing, not some weird
genetical quirk. and let me tell you, it certainly isn't a disadvantage. Being
left handed means you're often more coordinated then right-handed people,
especially when using a projectile weapon and in swordplay. In fencing
(something which I've done for several years now), left-handed people have an
advantage over right. I wasn't asking that TB add disabilities to ADOM, I was
asking for it to include a realistic element of every day life. Left handed PCs
would make better archers and fighters and (maybe) elementilists but poor
mindcrafters and wizards due to being right-brained and therefore more creative
but less focused. Granted, this would require some tweeking.
Juuso Heimonen
: Being left-handed isn't a handicap (like colorblindness is) dammit! One out of
: 10 people are left-handed and it's a common realistic thing, not some weird
: genetical quirk.
How about us ambidextrous people?
--
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John C.
>
>"John C." <tigersh...@aol.com> went something like this:
>
>: Being left-handed isn't a handicap (like colorblindness is) dammit! One out
>of
>: 10 people are left-handed and it's a common realistic thing, not some weird
>: genetical quirk.
>
>How about us ambidextrous people?
That's already included. (see talents)
Przemyslaw Brojewski
:> I am left-handed myself too, and i dont like when people discriminate
:> us left-handed. I don't mean adom or thomas would be racists of
:> somekind but making a possibility to be left-handed in adom would be
:> cool.
: Pff. Discrimination? Well, if we're going to provide for quasi-minorities, I
: demand recognition of mine - we should be able to make shorter-than-average
: characters with increased DV and a decreased chance to get critical hits
: (harder to hit your opponent's head).
O yeah? what about guts? :-)
brojek, the short one.
Juuso Heimonen
: : : Being left-handed isn't a handicap (like colorblindness is) dammit! One
: : : out of 10 people are left-handed and it's a common realistic thing, not
: : : some weird genetical quirk.
: :
: : How about us ambidextrous people?
:
: That's already included. (see talents)
Right. Damn
--
Juuso Heimonen \ juuso.h...@gmx.co.uk
Andreas Grates
> Dino62 wrote:
>
> And what with color blind people if we speak 'bout
>
>>minorities?.... Should we ask Thomas to deal with this, as well ? :-)
>>
He already does. I've seen only a few orcs, trolls, elves of all
persuasion, gnomes, hurthlings and dwarves around. :-)
>
>
> Being left-handed isn't a handicap (like colorblindness is) dammit! One out of
> 10 people are left-handed and it's a common realistic thing, not some weird
> genetical quirk. and let me tell you, it certainly isn't a disadvantage. Being
> left handed means you're often more coordinated then right-handed people,
> especially when using a projectile weapon and in swordplay. In fencing
> (something which I've done for several years now), left-handed people have an
> advantage over right. I wasn't asking that TB add disabilities to ADOM, I was
> asking for it to include a realistic element of every day life. Left handed PCs
> would make better archers and fighters and (maybe) elementilists but poor
> mindcrafters and wizards due to being right-brained and therefore more creative
> but less focused. Granted, this would require some tweeking.
>
> -John
>
I'm really not sure wether left-handed people really are better shots or
swordsmen. I lack experience here, nor do I really know wether the best
fencers or shots were left-handed.
But *one* advantage has a left-handed swordsman on his side: Most of his
enemies are used to right-handed opponents. So he can take advantage of
his enemies lack of experience.
On the other hand (<-- What a pun! That play of words! Marvellous!)
there are just enough things in this world designed for left-handed
people no one else could use. So there could be another weapon-prefix:
left-handed. To left-handed chars (I think this should be random, btw) a
bonus, a heavy malus for righthanded chars.
Some words to go: I'm quasi left-handed, for some tasks I can do better
with me left hand, especially ones, that take some strength of hand.
Sam Blanning
"Frances Kathleen Moffatt" <dv...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote...
> "Sam Blanning" (enqu...@nationalcoursingclub.org) writes:
>
> > Pff. Discrimination? Well, if we're going to provide for
quasi-minorities, I
> > demand recognition of mine - we should be able to make
shorter-than-average
> > characters with increased DV and a decreased chance to get critical hits
> > (harder to hit your opponent's head).
>
> You're short? I always imagined you as average-to-tall. Weird.
>
the children are police.
John C.
>
>I'm really not sure wether left-handed people really are better shots or
>swordsmen.
For the shots: I'm not personally sure, but I've heard it a great deal and it
seems to be true given that all of the lefties I've met seem to be naturally
excellent marksmen. For instance, my Grandfather, who is left-handed, won a
sharpshooter award in WWII while using a colt 44/45 (whichever one was the
inaccurate one, I'm not very familiar with the type) handgun.
Secondly I remember reading in one of the Old Testament books of the Bible
about one tribe having 1,000 left-handed archers as if it was to brag about so
I would assume a left-handed archers were considered more valuable then right
... at least in ancient times.
I lack experience here, nor do I really know wether the best
>fencers or shots were left-handed.
>But *one* advantage has a left-handed swordsman on his side: Most of his
>enemies are used to right-handed opponents. So he can take advantage of
>his enemies lack of experience.
Yes, this was my point. A right-handed swordsman knows how to fight a
right-handed one but has no clue how to take on a lefty. A left-handed
swordsman, on the other hand, is trained by his master to take advantage of
this fact and often times has the upper-you-know-what in a fight. Needless to
say, when two lefties duel it's quite an interesting sight. :-)
>On the other hand (<-- What a pun! That play of words! Marvellous!)
>there are just enough things in this world designed for left-handed
>people no one else could use. So there could be another weapon-prefix:
>left-handed. To left-handed chars (I think this should be random, btw) a
>bonus, a heavy malus for righthanded chars.
*Grips his left-handed grip shotgun and chuckles evilly*
I like. This post seems to be turning into quite the RFE here.
>Some words to go: I'm quasi left-handed, for some tasks I can do better
>with me left hand, especially ones, that take some strength of hand.
Same thing with my brother-in-law. He's right-handed for the most part but
plays baseball with his left.
Personally, I've been training myself to be ambidextrous, doing finger
exercises with my right hand and practicing writing/pitching/batting/fencing
with it. Hey! You never know! Maybe my left hand will be cut off in some epic
battle with a pirate or something. ,-)
John C.
With bull-whips, chairs and a nasty tempers mind you.
-John (sorry, Juuso)
Stephen White
> "Frances Kathleen Moffatt" <dv...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote...
> > You're short? I always imagined you as average-to-tall. Weird.
> Ah, the joys of the Internet, where the men are men, the women are men, and
> the children are police.
LOL! That's the funniest thing I have heard in quite a while :)
Mind if I use it as a sig? Is it of your own devising, or did
you see it somewhere?
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Stephen Mackey
>I lack experience here, nor do I really know wether the best
>>fencers or shots were left-handed.
>>But *one* advantage has a left-handed swordsman on his side: Most of his
>>enemies are used to right-handed opponents. So he can take advantage of
>>his enemies lack of experience.
>
>Yes, this was my point. A right-handed swordsman knows how to fight a
>right-handed one but has no clue how to take on a lefty. A left-handed
>swordsman, on the other hand, is trained by his master to take advantage of
>this fact and often times has the upper-you-know-what in a fight.
Lefties also have a disadvantage in this area, though, at least when it's a
sword-and-shield type thing. Lefties would use their left hand for the sword
and their right for the shield, right? Okay, now where is your heart located?
Now stop and think about that for a sec. ;)
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"And with that out of the way, I'm sending your Christmas present, you rotten
bastard."
-Jen D.
sqweek
> Uz.ytkownik Frances Kathleen Moffatt napisa?:
> > "Sam Blanning" (enqu...@nationalcoursingclub.org) writes:
>
> > You're short? I always imagined you as average-to-tall. Weird.
> >
> > A/y, I don't think being shorter should decrease your chances of getting
> > criticals. Remember, when his hands are level with your head, his groin
> > is on a level with your teeth.
>
> Love that one! remember ian the gnome from Baldur's gate? "Yer knees are
> now mine!"
*ahem*
"Yer kneecaps are at me mercy!"
Juuso Heimonen
: Lefties also have a disadvantage in this area, though, at least when it's a
: sword-and-shield type thing. Lefties would use their left hand for the sword
: and their right for the shield, right? Okay, now where is your heart located?
: Now stop and think about that for a sec. ;)
I'm no expert on mêlée combat, but aren't you a bit sideways when fighting?
--
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Juuso Heimonen
: : Ah, the joys of the Internet, where the men are men, the women are men, and
: : the children are police.
:
: With bull-whips, chairs and a nasty tempers mind you.
:
: -John (sorry, Juuso)
Hmm?
Am I missing something here?
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Juuso Heimonen \ juuso.h...@gmx.co.uk
Sam Blanning
"Stephen White" <cornho...@hotmail.com> wrote...
> "Sam Blanning" wrote:
> > "Frances Kathleen Moffatt" <dv...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote...
> > > You're short? I always imagined you as average-to-tall. Weird.
>
> > Ah, the joys of the Internet, where the men are men, the women are men,
and
> > the children are police.
>
> LOL! That's the funniest thing I have heard in quite a while :)
>
> Mind if I use it as a sig? Is it of your own devising, or did
> you see it somewhere?
>
originally.
Nekojin
> Dino62 wrote:
>
> And what with color blind people if we speak 'bout
> >minorities?.... Should we ask Thomas to deal with this, as well ? :-)
> >
>
> Being left-handed isn't a handicap (like colorblindness is) dammit! One out of
> 10 people are left-handed and it's a common realistic thing, not some weird
> genetical quirk. and let me tell you, it certainly isn't a disadvantage. Being
> left handed means you're often more coordinated then right-handed people,
> especially when using a projectile weapon and in swordplay. In fencing
> (something which I've done for several years now), left-handed people have an
> advantage over right. I wasn't asking that TB add disabilities to ADOM, I was
> asking for it to include a realistic element of every day life. Left handed PCs
> would make better archers and fighters and (maybe) elementilists but poor
> mindcrafters and wizards due to being right-brained and therefore more creative
> but less focused. Granted, this would require some tweeking.
Being left-handed myself, I tend to view it as a non-issue. The whole
thing could be "solved" by simply changing the labels from "Left hand"
and "Right hand" to "Dominant hand" and "Off hand." It is, or should
be, a non-issue.
As far as giving us Lefties an advantage, I say, NO! As much as I
agree with the theory of Lefties being more coordinated, more
creative, and less focused, it's ONLY a theory, as no significant
studies have ever been made (As with most sociological issues, the act
of studying affects the studied too much). And who's to say that
Lefties in the ADOM world are that way, anyway?
Random facts:
It's theorized that "handedness" came about from primitive
civilizations identifying the heart as the critical thing to defend,
and turning their left side away from enemies.
Lefties are more likely to become ambidextrous, as most things in this
world are made for right-handed people, and it's not always easy to
find a left-handed pair of scissors, or a set of left-handed golf
clubs.
Lefties are less likely to commit suicide, and have an average of 6
year longer lifespan (Possibly outdated statistic; I remember it from
about 15 years back).
Remember: Only Lefties are in their right mind!
Nekojin =^_^=
matija
> Ah, the joys of the Internet, where the men are men, the women are men, and
> the children are police.
you've never visited #lesbian on IRC, right?
--
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John C.
>
>"Stephen Mackey" <kark...@aol.com> went something like this:
>
>: Lefties also have a disadvantage in this >:area, though, at least when it's
a
>: sword-and-shield type thing. Lefties >:would use their left hand for the
>:sword
>: and their right for the shield, right?
I use no shield. Instead, I keep my right hand behind my back. Or, if hewing,
on the hilt of my blade to increase stability. I do, however, see the point
here.
>:Okay, now where is your heart
>:located?
>: Now stop and think about that for a sec. ;)
Heh. Trust me, after having that thing poked at by many a foil I understand.
The problem there is, a good enough fighter wouldn't let another one get close
enough to do the poking. Also, if they are profiecient enough to get that
close, what arc they have really doesn't matter that much as they are going to
run you through anyway.
>
>I'm no expert on mêlée combat, but aren't you a bit sideways when fighting?
In the case of fencing, (almost) always at about a 45 degree angle. The reason
for this that instead of having the ride range of your undefended chest exposed
to the enemy, you have your arm and weapon to block attacks that would
otherwise kill you. This goes to support stephen's point here. A openant of a
right-handed person would have only an arc about 45 degrees (hold out your left
index finger and thumb with your thumb laying across the right part of your
chest and the finger pointing straight up. Now, bring the finger half-way down
and you'll see about how much cubic space I'm talking) between the shoulder
guard and the shield to make that critical hit but if he was fighting against a
lefty, he would have nearly 135 degrees to do so.
Maybe they would receive -3 DV and -2 PV from any shield. ;-)
-John
Arturus Magi
Newsgroups: rec.games.roguelike.adom
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:12:19 +0100
>Sam Blanning, completely geschtonkenflapped, wrote:
>> Ah, the joys of the Internet, where the men are men, the women are men, and
>> the children are police.
>
> you've never visited #lesbian on IRC, right?
>
While the original statement wasn't serious, I'm going to make it so now.
I'd be somewhat surprised if a number of the people there weren't men acting
the part. There's a few places where I do so myself, although not decievingly
(that is to say, most/all the regs in most such areas are aware of this).
christopher
"Arturus Magi" <nho...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021228002222...@mb-fs.aol.com...
bwahahahaha.
umm... no, nothing, sorry.
Juuso Heimonen
: : I'm no expert on mêlée combat, but aren't you a bit sideways when fighting?
:
: In the case of fencing, (almost) always at about a 45 degree angle.
<<snip>>
I was talking about your usual let's-kill-the-bastard - Adom-style combat. I'd
be sideways, if only for the fact that no one can easily put a quarrel through
your shoulder. This is with a shield, mind you
--
Juuso Heimonen \ juuso.h...@gmx.co.uk
Frances Kathleen Moffatt
From what I've seen of the local fencers at least, yes. Regular fighters
don't seem to do it as much. However, given that generally it is your
weapon hand/side towards your opponent, it becomes even truer that your
pumpy bit is less protected.
Is it worth noting at this point that from what I've seen, it's mostly the
fencers who fight sideways, and fencing is shockingly nasty. Not that it
comes up in ADOM, but in 16th-century Italy, half of all recorded fencing
duels (you know, the ones where they weren't using dirty tricks) ended in
double fatalities. There's no way for a 16th-century doctor to sew up a
wound that's an inch wide and six or eight inches deep, and you just kept
leaking away inside.
Thank god for pepper petals.
Love and coffee,
Frances
Frances Kathleen Moffatt
> "John C." <tigersh...@aol.com> went something like this:
> : In the case of fencing, (almost) always at about a 45 degree angle.
> I was talking about your usual let's-kill-the-bastard - Adom-style combat. I'd
> be sideways, if only for the fact that no one can easily put a quarrel through
> your shoulder. This is with a shield, mind you
'scuse me? A quarrel? It can go straight through a man in plate armour
at 600' and still have enough drive to puncture the person behind him, and
you think a titchy little bit of shield is going to stop it?
Love and coffee,
Frances
Dino62
>>Love that one! remember ian the gnome from Baldur's gate? "Yer knees are
>>now mine!"
>
>
> *ahem*
> "Yer kneecaps are at me mercy!"
Okay... must be the translation, 'cause I got it like that in the Polish
version, never had the English one :-))
John C.
Even today with protective equipment and little rubber knobs at the end of the
foils it still can be deadly. I've heard of several people who have died
because of faulty foils being jammed into their chests. The reason this happens
is because normally, fencers do not use near their full strength when "running
an opponent through," just enough for it to register with their suit and the
judges. Occasionally, however, in the heat of battle they forget they aren't in
a real fight and jab with full force. Now usually, foils will bend almost in
half, directing the pressure upwards and away from the opposing fencer when
full force is applied. Unfortunately, sometimes the foils snap under the
pressure instead of bending and the remaining, sharp half-foil uses the
incredible momentum from a 150+ pound wo/man putting all his weight on it and
easily pierces through the thin armor and dives into its victims chest killing
him or her almost instantly.
And, of course, there are the idiots who don't wear armor and get a foil jammed
through their eye/nose and into their brain.
Juho Julkunen
> John C. said:
>
> >I lack experience here, nor do I really know wether the best
> >>fencers or shots were left-handed.
> >>But *one* advantage has a left-handed swordsman on his side: Most of his
> >>enemies are used to right-handed opponents. So he can take advantage of
> >>his enemies lack of experience.
> >
> >Yes, this was my point. A right-handed swordsman knows how to fight a
> >right-handed one but has no clue how to take on a lefty. A left-handed
> >swordsman, on the other hand, is trained by his master to take advantage of
> >this fact and often times has the upper-you-know-what in a fight.
>
> Lefties also have a disadvantage in this area, though, at least when it's a
> sword-and-shield type thing. Lefties would use their left hand for the sword
> and their right for the shield, right? Okay, now where is your heart located?
Smack in the middle of your chest, as usual. Though admittedly the left
side is somewhat larger.
> Now stop and think about that for a sec. ;)
But what if your heart (and the other organs) is on the wrong side? I
forget the odds to that, but it should be added, too!
JTJ
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Juho Julkunen
> Some words to go: I'm quasi left-handed, for some tasks I can do better
> with me left hand, especially ones, that take some strength of hand.
Yeah, people always forget about us. I'm mostly right-handed, but throw
with the left hand. (Well, I tend to throw Frisbee with the right, for
some reason.) I wear watch on my right wrist, and tend to pick knife and
fork the wrong way around when not thinking about it. (Mannered, I am.)
What comes to marksmanship, shooting handguns is one thing I can do
equally well with both hands. Might have something to do with me not
having a dominant eye. (Until we were asked to check which eye was
dominant in the army I didn't even know there was such a thing.)
JTJ
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John C.
>Stephen Mackey (kark...@aol.com) wrote...
>> John C. said:
>>
>> >I lack experience here, nor do I really know wether the best
>> >>fencers or shots were left-handed.
>> >>But *one* advantage has a left-handed swordsman on his side: Most of his
>> >>enemies are used to right-handed opponents. So he can take advantage of
>> >>his enemies lack of experience.
>> >
>> >Yes, this was my point. A right-handed swordsman knows how to fight a
>> >right-handed one but has no clue how to take on a lefty. A left-handed
>> >swordsman, on the other hand, is trained by his master to take advantage
>of
>> >this fact and often times has the upper-you-know-what in a fight.
>>
>> Lefties also have a disadvantage in this area, though, at least when it's a
>> sword-and-shield type thing. Lefties would use their left hand for the
>sword
>> and their right for the shield, right? Okay, now where is your heart
>located?
>
>Smack in the middle of your chest, as usual. Though admittedly the left
>side is somewhat larger.
>
That wasn't his point. His point was that the way a lefty stands in battle
makes it easier for a right-handed person to get to his heart then the way a
right-handed person. Against a righty you must curve inward to get within that
45 degree angle I mention in another post but against a lefty you can just jab
straight forward to get into that 135 degree angle. (see my other post on this
topic to see what I'm talking about. If you still don't get it, get a friend, 2
sticks, and fence left handed against him)
Juho Julkunen
Unless my spatial awareness is going, wouldn't the righty facing a lefty
have the same problem? That lefty also has a sword and a 135 degree
angle to aim at. So this isn't really a disadvantage for one party, but
a different kind of situation for both combatants. And a situation the
lefty would be more familiar with, BTW.
And I'm not sure that was his point.
JTJ
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John C.
Yes. They have the same weakness against eachother. But a lefty is very likely
to run into a righty but a right-handed person does not usually find himself
fighting a lefty. its a 1 in 10 chance for this to happen to a righty, but a 9
out of 10 occurence for a lefty.
Juuso Heimonen
this:
: : I was talking about your usual let's-kill-the-bastard - Adom-style combat.
: : I'd be sideways, if only for the fact that no one can easily put a quarrel
: : through your shoulder. This is with a shield, mind you
:
: 'scuse me? A quarrel? It can go straight through a man in plate armour
: at 600' and still have enough drive to puncture the person behind him, and
: you think a titchy little bit of shield is going to stop it?
Yes, if you hold it at a sufficient angle
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Sam Blanning
shields (barring tweaks) grant PV bonuses which, inexplicably, still count
when a monster fires a quarrel at you.
Juho Julkunen
> Juho Julkunen
> >Unless my spatial awareness is going, wouldn't the righty facing a lefty
> >have the same problem?
>
> Yes. They have the same weakness against eachother. But a lefty is very likely
> to run into a righty but a right-handed person does not usually find himself
> fighting a lefty. its a 1 in 10 chance for this to happen to a righty, but a 9
> out of 10 occurence for a lefty.
So when a lefty runs into righty he would have nine times more
experience with the situation, and the righty would still have no edge.
JTJ
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John C.
>John C. (tigersh...@aol.com) wrote...
>> Juho Julkunen
>
>> >Unless my spatial awareness is going, wouldn't the righty facing a lefty
>> >have the same problem?
>>
>> Yes. They have the same weakness against eachother. But a lefty is very
>likely
>> to run into a righty but a right-handed person does not usually find
>himself
>> fighting a lefty. its a 1 in 10 chance for this to happen to a righty, but
>a 9
>> out of 10 occurence for a lefty.
>
>So when a lefty runs into righty he would have nine times more
>experience with the situation, and the righty would still have no edge.
>
...Which is exactly the point I made in the first place about Lefties having
the upper hand in swordplay because they have experience with the situation
while the right-handed fighter does not.
The only problem with that is that in order to have that experience he would
have to survive 9 times the amount of battles in which he was more vernerible
then a right-handed in the same situation would be. (and, in case it isn't
clear, by that I mean a right-handed person fighting a right-handed person, not
right v. left)
Abyssal Squid
"John C." <tigersh...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021228192002...@mb-df.aol.com...
This is all assuming, of course, that a stab to the heart would
automatically be lethal in ADOM, and I don't know about you, but I've never
experienced that.
Also, I don't think that bats would be too put out by fighting a lefty, and
a great many humanoids are too stupid to care, anyways
Andreas Grates
[snip]
>
> Lefties also have a disadvantage in this area, though, at least when it's a
> sword-and-shield type thing. Lefties would use their left hand for the sword
> and their right for the shield, right? Okay, now where is your heart located?
> Now stop and think about that for a sec. ;)
>
>
A bit of anathomy: The heart is not located extremly to the left. It's
more like 2/3 left and 1/3 right. It's quite located in the middle,
nudging the left wing of the lung to get some more room.
Andreas Grates
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Andreas Grates
You'd be amazed what kind of things you too might have: There's even
something like a 'dominant leg'! You automatically try to take off from
that one if attempting to jump. Try. You'd be amazed.
There's a phrase for that in German: 'Schokoladenbein'. I've bitten into
mine once. It's not sweet, so don't give in to the temptation of trying
yourself! :-)
John C.
>
>Juho Julkunen wrote:
>> Andreas Grates (aCnHdArOe...@public.uni-hamburg.de) wrote...
>>
>>
>>>Some words to go: I'm quasi left-handed, for some tasks I can do better
>>>with me left hand, especially ones, that take some strength of hand.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, people always forget about us. I'm mostly right-handed, but throw
>> with the left hand. (Well, I tend to throw Frisbee with the right, for
>> some reason.) I wear watch on my right wrist, and tend to pick knife and
>> fork the wrong way around when not thinking about it. (Mannered, I am.)
>>
>> What comes to marksmanship, shooting handguns is one thing I can do
>> equally well with both hands. Might have something to do with me not
>> having a dominant eye. (Until we were asked to check which eye was
>> dominant in the army I didn't even know there was such a thing.)
>>
>> JTJ
>
>You'd be amazed what kind of things you too might have: There's even
>something like a 'dominant leg'! You automatically try to take off from
>that one if attempting to jump. Try. You'd be amazed.
>There's a phrase for that in German: 'Schokoladenbein'.
Chocolate leg? I'm going to assume that something was lost in the translation
here.
Andreas Grates
[snip]
>>You'd be amazed what kind of things you too might have: There's even
>>something like a 'dominant leg'! You automatically try to take off from
>>that one if attempting to jump. Try. You'd be amazed.
>>There's a phrase for that in German: 'Schokoladenbein'.
>
>
> Chocolate leg? I'm going to assume that something was lost in the translation
> here.
>
> -John
>
Nope. It *is* that stupid. And that's what teachers tell in Germany poor
little kids when they try to teach'em how to jump far into the sand-pit,
so that they get MORE sand into their shoes when they attempt to wade
out of it.
Depressing. Really.
Una z Pogranicza
Just guessing,
Frances Kathleen Moffatt
Hrm. Good point. I shall file it under the category of such inexplicable
occurrences as "quarrels fired from ten feet away are stopped dead by a
goblin's body" and continue to enjoy the game. :)
Love and coffee,
Frances
R Dan Henry
(Nekojin) declared:
>Random facts:
>It's theorized that "handedness" came about from primitive
>civilizations identifying the heart as the critical thing to defend,
>and turning their left side away from enemies.
This is silly, given that animal studies have shown that there are
"left-pawed" and "right-pawed" animals. Handedness is by no means a
unique human feature (except for the "hand" part) and attempts to give
it a socio-historic origin are nonsensical.
>Lefties are less likely to commit suicide, and have an average of 6
>year longer lifespan (Possibly outdated statistic; I remember it from
>about 15 years back).
Er, lefties have a *shorter* lifespan, IIRC.
Research time...
...okay, I did recall correctly, but apparently that study has been
debunked.
http://www.drdaveanddee.com/left.html
In any case, lefties do not live longer, either.
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rdan...@earthlink.net