Keethrax and wizards
Juuso Heimonen
doesn't that
:> limit the number of classes who can do his quest? I'm sure I once
got him
:> with a wizard of some sort anyway ages ago.
:
:An all-out fighter will, of course, kick his evil-black butt
easily.
Oh boy, *that's* hard if something ever was.....
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Blannings
of Y****s at the start. Well, I did, as an elementalist, and he was immune
to my fire, ice, and lightning spells. I tried to kill him with my
broadsword, and only got him to slightly wounded, even with Aggresive
tactics.
Markku Rikola
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Blannings wrote:
> Someone once suggested that if I have 'Healing', I should do K*****x instead
> of Y****s at the start. Well, I did, as an elementalist, and he was immune
> to my fire, ice, and lightning spells. I tried to kill him with my
> broadsword, and only got him to slightly wounded, even with Aggresive
> tactics.
Keethrax is so much harder that I'd suggest, for an elementalist, that you
kill Hotz and his minions first, and save Kenny too, maybe even tackle the
SMC cave.
>
> Is Keethrax all but impossible to kill with wizards? If so, doesn't that
> limit the number of classes who can do his quest? I'm sure I once got him
> with a wizard of some sort anyway ages ago.
>
An all-out fighter will, of course, kick his evil-black butt easily.
-- Markku Rikola (21st century schizoid boy)
MentalSurge
Blannings <enqu...@nationalcoursingclub.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8nr6ns$k9v$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Someone once suggested that if I have 'Healing', I should do K*****x
instead
> of Y****s at the start. Well, I did, as an elementalist, and he was immune
> to my fire, ice, and lightning spells. I tried to kill him with my
> broadsword, and only got him to slightly wounded, even with Aggresive
> tactics.
>
> limit the number of classes who can do his quest? I'm sure I once got him
> with a wizard of some sort anyway ages ago.
>
I killed him once with a lot of uses of acid bolt and light, and thats the
only time i've ever killed him.
Dan
Olivier Benard
> Someone once suggested that if I have 'Healing', I should do K*****x
instead
> of Y****s at the start. Well, I did, as an elementalist, and he was immune
> to my fire, ice, and lightning spells. I tried to kill him with my
> broadsword, and only got him to slightly wounded, even with Aggresive
> tactics.
>
> Is Keethrax all but impossible to kill with wizards? If so, doesn't that
> limit the number of classes who can do his quest? I'm sure I once got him
> with a wizard of some sort anyway ages ago.
>
>
With a wizard, you should do the Keethrax quest as late as possible. It
should be safe around exp lvl 12.
Darren Purdy
>Someone once suggested that if I have 'Healing', I should do K*****x instead
>of Y****s at the start. Well, I did, as an elementalist, and he was immune
>to my fire, ice, and lightning spells. I tried to kill him with my
>broadsword, and only got him to slightly wounded, even with Aggresive
>tactics.
>
>Is Keethrax all but impossible to kill with wizards? If so, doesn't that
>limit the number of classes who can do his quest? I'm sure I once got him
>with a wizard of some sort anyway ages ago.
Keethrax is harder to kill with wizards because the rewards you get for
that quest are more beneficial to wizards. Not elementalists, though.
Elementalists have a hard time harming him and generally don't have much
use for the rewards you receive. Generally I go down to the bottom of
the Druid Dungeon as fast as possible, and then go back up and fully
explore the higher levels. That way Keethrax is generated at a lower
level than I would be when I finally face him. Plus, it gives a higher
chance to find useful things like wands of acid or spell books of magic
missile.
Other useful things:
A torch or amulet of light
A healing spell or lots of healing items
Acid and magic missile type spells and items
A good melee weapon
High DV (PV is useless)
Alertness and Dodge (especially the first)
Invincibility (can help a tad)
Lots of experience points
Try to build up your effectiveness a lot with magic missile or acid
bolt (the latter is better). Going into melee isn't always advised
since he can stat drain and corrupt. But if you find a wand of acid
or magic missile you should be easily able to kill him with just a
few zaps.
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Blannings
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Ah. Well that grows on trees doesn't it. I think I know what you mean ;).
Edvard Majakari
DP> Invincibility (can help a tad)
Where/how can you get this? I'd say *that* intrinsic/ability would be
very, very nice. Game would be it boring having no challenge at all,
though..
Sorry, I had to.
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Darren Purdy
>>>>>> "DP" == Darren Purdy <tek...@btinternet.com> writes:
>
> DP> Invincibility (can help a tad)
>
>Where/how can you get this? I'd say *that* intrinsic/ability would be
>very, very nice. Game would be it boring having no challenge at all,
>though..
Look for the Red Rooster at dawn.
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loewe...@my-deja.com
tek...@btinternet.com wrote:
> Keethrax is harder to kill with wizards because the rewards you get
for
> that quest are more beneficial to wizards. Not elementalists, though.
Actually, in g16 (and g14 and 15? I forget), elementalists, too. In
fact, you get one of the more useful rewards in the game. In fact, two
of them.*
The solution for Keethrax for non-fighters is to wait until you're up
to the challenge. I usually wait until I'm ready for the dwarven
graveyard quest, and do both in the same run to reduce travel time.
spoiler
ahead
danger
danger
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*Not only do you get herbalism, but you also get Keethrax's corpse.
Take it to the village druid for another reward.
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Before you buy.
Darren Purdy
>In article <inv5qssmiv4atu08c...@4ax.com>,
> tek...@btinternet.com wrote:
>> Keethrax is harder to kill with wizards because the rewards you get
>for
>> that quest are more beneficial to wizards. Not elementalists, though.
>
>Actually, in g16 (and g14 and 15? I forget), elementalists, too. In
>fact, you get one of the more useful rewards in the game. In fact, two
>of them.*
Well, I was thinking about the book you get. Less useful to
elementalists. And the challenge of beating him with an elementalist
doesn't seem worth the reward, IMO.
>The solution for Keethrax for non-fighters is to wait until you're up
>to the challenge. I usually wait until I'm ready for the dwarven
>graveyard quest, and do both in the same run to reduce travel time.
As soon as I find a wand of magic missiles or acid, I go for him.
>
>
>spoiler
>ahead
>danger
>danger
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>
>*Not only do you get herbalism, but you also get Keethrax's corpse.
>Take it to the village druid for another reward.
I've never managed to get the corpse back to Guth'Alak. What do
you get? PoCC?
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Blannings
> 'Twas a fateful day when loewe...@my-deja.com did say:
>
> >In article <inv5qssmiv4atu08c...@4ax.com>,
> > tek...@btinternet.com wrote:
> >> Keethrax is harder to kill with wizards because the rewards you get
> >for
> >> that quest are more beneficial to wizards. Not elementalists, though.
> >
> >Actually, in g16 (and g14 and 15? I forget), elementalists, too. In
> >fact, you get one of the more useful rewards in the game. In fact, two
> >of them.*
>
> Well, I was thinking about the book you get. Less useful to
> elementalists. And the challenge of beating him with an elementalist
> doesn't seem worth the reward, IMO.
Ok, so the black torc isn't that useful (by the time I beat Keethrax I'd
have got the a**h from R*****p), but it can be sacced, and artifacts are
usually worth a nice big load of piety.
<snip>
Shruuf
"Blannings" <enqu...@nationalcoursingclub.freeserve.co.uk>
whispered:
>have got the a**h from R*****p),
People, are you unable to use spoiler space? O***n, it b*****s q***e
u*****r w**t y*u a******y m**n if y*u j**t w***e l**e t**s.
Shruuf
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... and you can feed a purple "r" with it.
>
> <snip>
>
>
Blannings
message news:8o8lhj$2to$1...@news4.isdnet.net...
Blannings
news:39a6fcb9...@news.isis.de...
> Once upon a time (Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:09:41 +0100 to be exact),
> "Blannings" <enqu...@nationalcoursingclub.freeserve.co.uk>
> whispered:
>
>
> u*****r w**t y*u a******y m**n if y*u j**t w***e l**e t**s.
>
be spoily, it's a bit stupid to waste bandwidth, your enter key and time
with spoiler space, when you can just censor the two offending words.
Nicholas Taylor
<enqu...@nationalcoursingclub.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>"Olivier Benard" <olivier.benard...@vnumail.com> wrote in
>message news:8o8lhj$2to$1...@news4.isdnet.net...
>> ... and you can feed a purple "r" with it.
>>
>Why?
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So that he'll tell you how to get into the stone circle, which is
necessary for an ultra ending.
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Edvard Majakari
Blannings> subject that would be spoily, it's a bit stupid to waste
Blannings> bandwidth, your enter key and time with spoiler space, when
Blannings> you can just censor the two offending words.
Blah. The best working, short, easy & neat spoiler space is new page
character. If you insert 20 spoiler spaces it doesn't help us with a
high-res monitor and newsreader adjusted to max height. Just press ^L
before saying anything
spoily. Now, there you are.
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loewe...@my-deja.com
> elementalists. And the challenge of beating him with an elementalist
> doesn't seem worth the reward, IMO.
See below
> >
> >spoiler
> >ahead
> >danger
> >danger
> >.
> >.
> >.
> >.
> >.
> >.
> >.
> >.
> >.
> >.
> >.
> >.
> >
> >*Not only do you get herbalism, but you also get Keethrax's corpse.
> >Take it to the village druid for another reward.
Herbalism is worth *much* more than frost bolt, and elementalists don't
start with it. Wands of frost are pretty common, so not worth much.
>
> I've never managed to get the corpse back to Guth'Alak. What do
> you get? PoCC?
Yep.
Try dipping the corpse in holy water.
I don't think the torc is worth much, except as a gift to the mutated
one.
Rachel Walmsley
> Blah. The best working, short, easy & neat spoiler space is new page
> character. If you insert 20 spoiler spaces it doesn't help us with a
> high-res monitor and newsreader adjusted to max height. Just press ^L
> before saying anything
>
>
>
> spoily. Now, there you are.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work on all newsreaders. On mine (gravity 2.3)
it just appears as a meaningless graphics character. And surely if there
are 20 lines of spoiler space you will at least notice it and be able to
not look down to the bottom of the screen if you don't want to?
R"rot13 is a pain too"W.
Frank Schmitt
<rac...@rabidchild.co.uk> wrote:
>Rumour has it that Edvard Majakari once said:
>
>> Blah. The best working, short, easy & neat spoiler space is new page
>> character. If you insert 20 spoiler spaces it doesn't help us with a
>> high-res monitor and newsreader adjusted to max height. Just press ^L
>> before saying anything
>>
>>
>>
>> spoily. Now, there you are.
>
>Unfortunately, it doesn't work on all newsreaders. On mine (gravity 2.3)
>it just appears as a meaningless graphics character. And surely if there
doesn't work with slrn, also (or am I missing sth ?)
>are 20 lines of spoiler space you will at least notice it and be able to
>not look down to the bottom of the screen if you don't want to?
true, but still it is annoying. whenever i see a post with ~20 lines of
spoiler space, my eyes keep jumping to the bottom of the screen -
must be the gravity or sth, I guess
greetings
frank
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Edvard Majakari
RW> Unfortunately, it doesn't work on all newsreaders. On mine (gravity
RW> 2.3) it just appears as a meaningless graphics character. And surely
Ha! <war type=flame>Time to change to some decent newsreader!</war>
:)
RW> if there are 20 lines of spoiler space you will at least notice it
RW> and be able to not look down to the bottom of the screen if you don't
RW> want to?
Yes, I admit.
RW> R"rot13 is a pain too"W.
True. Though very practical sometimes too. Actually I start to like the
idea: using ^L someone may accidentally see spoiler info. Using rot 13 you
can't see it actually, but you have to see some trouble to see the
spoiler. Mm. Not hard at all if your NA supports rot 13 decoding, and not
very hard even if it doesn't, but takes some trouble. Those pesky,
impatient twerps should use to not getting everything so easily >:-) (pun
intended, and not to be taken seriously...)
Olivier Benard
...unless the RNG decides never to make a wand of cold or spellbook of
Nether Bolt appear. Happened to me recently with paladin (even in the
library, there was to "oNB!). Chose herbalism as a reward, but had to spend
a wish on cold items to get the RotHK (spent hours in ID without finding
anything useful).
Tekhne
>Blah. The best working, short, easy & neat spoiler space is new page
>character. If you insert 20 spoiler spaces it doesn't help us with a
>high-res monitor and newsreader adjusted to max height. Just press ^L
>before saying anything
>
>
>
>spoily. Now, there you are.
Was that supposed to do something?
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Joseph William Dixon
> I don't think the torc is worth much, except as a gift to the mutated
> one.
You can get between 1500 & 3000 or so gold for the Torc from Barnabas,
depending on race and Charisma, of course.
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Nicholas Taylor
> 'Twas a fateful day when Edvard Majakari <e...@krypton.mikroneuvos.fi> did say:
>
> >Blah. The best working, short, easy & neat spoiler space is new page
> >character. If you insert 20 spoiler spaces it doesn't help us with a
> >high-res monitor and newsreader adjusted to max height. Just press ^L
> >before saying anything
> >
> >
> >
> >spoily. Now, there you are.
>
> Was that supposed to do something?
It inserts a page break in the better (if I can say that without
provoking a huge flamewar over newsreaders - I'll trust to the fact
that hardly anyone reads my posts to prevent that)
newsreaders. Unfortunately, this page break vanishes when the message
is replied to, AFAICT, so it leaves more scope for someone to forget space.
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John Rowat
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 loewe...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> I don't think the torc is worth much, except as a gift to the mutated
>> one.
> You can get between 1500 & 3000 or so gold for the Torc from Barnabas,
> depending on race and Charisma, of course.
It's a great throwing weapon.
-John
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John Rowat
> 'Twas a fateful day when Nicholas Taylor did say:
>>Unfortunately, this page break vanishes when the message
>>is replied to, AFAICT, so it leaves more scope for someone to forget space.
> Page breaks are for the weak! Besides, last time I read the FAQ (about
> a year ago) it said that you shouldn't put in big, empty spaces as your
> spoiler space, because some "superior" news readers automatically cut out
> useless spaces (ie. those extra nineteen empty lines) leaving the spoilers
> bare for the user's virgin eyes to see.
A page break isn't large chunkc of empty space. A page break is a single
character, after which the message continues. The difference is that a
page break is interpreted, on your end, as a blank space of 1 page in
length, while any other single character, like "q", is interpreted as a
single letter.
Tekhne
>Tekhne <tek...@btinternet.com> writes:
>
>> 'Twas a fateful day when Edvard Majakari <e...@krypton.mikroneuvos.fi> did say:
>>
>> >Blah. The best working, short, easy & neat spoiler space is new page
>> >character. If you insert 20 spoiler spaces it doesn't help us with a
>> >high-res monitor and newsreader adjusted to max height. Just press ^L
>> >before saying anything
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >spoily. Now, there you are.
>>
>> Was that supposed to do something?
>
>It inserts a page break in the better (if I can say that without
>provoking a huge flamewar over newsreaders - I'll trust to the fact
>that hardly anyone reads my posts to prevent that)
>newsreaders.
<insert random flaming, swearing and gibberish here>
>Unfortunately, this page break vanishes when the message
>is replied to, AFAICT, so it leaves more scope for someone to forget space.
Page breaks are for the weak! Besides, last time I read the FAQ (about
a year ago) it said that you shouldn't put in big, empty spaces as your
spoiler space, because some "superior" news readers automatically cut out
useless spaces (ie. those extra nineteen empty lines) leaving the spoilers
bare for the user's virgin eyes to see.
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that will cause the most damage will be the first to go wrong."
- Murphy's Second Law
Edvard Majakari
T> Was that supposed to do something?
If you had a decent newsreader, yes. Ignoring ^L is almost like ignoring
^J. If your NA doesn't ignore newline, why it ignores new page...
Blannings
news:Pine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.100...@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca.
..
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 loewe...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > I don't think the torc is worth much, except as a gift to the mutated
> > one.
>
> You can get between 1500 & 3000 or so gold for the Torc from Barnabas,
> depending on race and Charisma, of course.
>
Tekhne
The piety worth and the shop value are the same. That's a bloody useless
artifact... Except as a missile perhaps, but even then...
Joseph William Dixon
> "Joseph William Dixon" <aa...@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 loewe...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > I don't think the torc is worth much, except as a gift to the mutated
> > > one.
> >
> > You can get between 1500 & 3000 or so gold for the Torc from Barnabas,
> > depending on race and Charisma, of course.
>
> Oh _wow_. I think I'd prefer the piety, me :)
I much prefer the skills that the cash'll help you purchase from
Yergius...
loewe...@my-deja.com
"Olivier Benard" <olivier.benard...@vnumail.com> wrote:
> <loewe...@my-deja.com> wrote in message : 8ogh50$> > See below
> > > >
> > > >spoiler
> > > >ahead
> > > >danger
> > > >danger
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >.
> > > >
>
> ...unless the RNG decides never to make a wand of cold or spellbook of
> Nether Bolt appear. Happened to me recently with paladin (even in the
> library, there was to "oNB!).
Not much of a problem for elementalists, though.
Blannings
news:vkuqqsgsf3ianuent...@4ax.com...
> 'Twas a fateful day when Blannings did say:
>
>
>news:Pine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.100...@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca
.
> >..
> >> On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 loewe...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >> > I don't think the torc is worth much, except as a gift to the mutated
> >> > one.
> >>
> >> You can get between 1500 & 3000 or so gold for the Torc from
Barnabas,
> >> depending on race and Charisma, of course.
> >>
> >Oh _wow_. I think I'd prefer the piety, me :)
>
> artifact... Except as a missile perhaps, but even then...
>
Nicholas Taylor
> Huh? A corrupted holly wreath or whatever druids wear as a frisbee?
God knows how, aerodynamically speaking, but it's quite a decent
missile weapon. Must be the spikes. Not sure which weapon skill it
trains, if any.
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Nicholas Taylor schrieb in Nachricht
<8omok7$ahl$2...@plutonium.btinternet.com>...
>"Blannings" <enqu...@nationalcoursingclub.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
>
>> Huh? A corrupted holly wreath or whatever druids wear as a frisbee?
>
>God knows how, aerodynamically speaking, but it's quite a decent
>missile weapon. Must be the spikes. Not sure which weapon skill it
>trains, if any.
Thrown Torcs and Necklaces.
Kieron Dunbar
> "T" == Tekhne <tek...@btinternet.com> writes:
>T> Was that supposed to do something?
> If you had a decent newsreader, yes. Ignoring ^L is almost like ignoring
> ^J. If your NA doesn't ignore newline, why it ignores new page...
Unfortunately, newsgroup messages are converted into plain text before I
download them. Unless there's a way of transferring messages from the
university's server to a file without going through a news program, I suspect
that this isn't something I can do anything about. As such, I'd prefer it if
people didn't rely on codes like that for spoiler space.
kwaheri, Kieron (reverse username to reply)
John Rowat
> Once upon a time, Edvard Majakari wrote thus:
>> If you had a decent newsreader, yes. Ignoring ^L is almost like ignoring
>> ^J. If your NA doesn't ignore newline, why it ignores new page...
> Unfortunately, newsgroup messages are converted into plain text before I
> download them. Unless there's a way of transferring messages from the
> university's server to a file without going through a news program, I suspect
> that this isn't something I can do anything about. As such, I'd prefer it if
> people didn't rely on codes like that for spoiler space.
The code *IS* plain text. It is a standard ASCII character, just like any
other. It's a less common one than, say, "q", but it is just another
character.
Blannings
news:8oo7ss$qdc$1...@bw107zhb.bluewin.ch...
Hey, maybe you could train it up by throwing it to the cute dog!
John Rowat
>> If you had a decent newsreader, yes. Ignoring ^L is almost like ignoring
>> ^J. If your NA doesn't ignore newline, why it ignores new page...
> Unfortunately, newsgroup messages are converted into plain text before I
> download them. Unless there's a way of transferring messages from the
> university's server to a file without going through a news program, I suspect
> that this isn't something I can do anything about. As such, I'd prefer it if
> people didn't rely on codes like that for spoiler space.
The code *IS* plain text. It is a standard ASCII character, just like any
John Rowat
>> If you had a decent newsreader, yes. Ignoring ^L is almost like ignoring
>> ^J. If your NA doesn't ignore newline, why it ignores new page...
> Unfortunately, newsgroup messages are converted into plain text before I
> download them. Unless there's a way of transferring messages from the
> university's server to a file without going through a news program, I suspect
> that this isn't something I can do anything about. As such, I'd prefer it if
> people didn't rely on codes like that for spoiler space.
The code *IS* plain text. It is a standard ASCII character, just like any
Kieron Dunbar
Everything's a standard ASCII character if you look at it that way. Those
with codes below 32 usually have to be interpreted to avoid the display
looking a mess (for instance, interpreting combinations of ^J and ^M so that
there are as many new lines as the user expects). Programs which don't have a
way of interpreting them often delete them instead of leaving strange
characters lying around. As Pine doesn't know how to interpret ^L, and I
don't know of any programs through which I can download newsgroups which
either do know or don't care, I have no way of knowing that someone included
^L in a post. As I prefer spoiler space to be in a format which works on as
many systems as possible, I don't think ^L is appropriate for such use.
Edvard Majakari
KD> Unfortunately, newsgroup messages are converted into plain text
KD> before I download them. Unless there's a way of transferring messages
KD> from the university's server to a file without going through a news
Hey, ^J is plain text :)
But I agree with the point.
Edvard Majakari
KD> know or don't care, I have no way of knowing that someone included ^L
KD> in a post. As I prefer spoiler space to be in a format which works on
KD> as many systems as possible, I don't think ^L is appropriate for such
KD> use.
Ok. Why do you differentiate between, say \f, \n and \t? I'd say formfeed
is a character where newline and tab are. But if you insert newlines (you
use linebreaks :) and tabs you wouldn't say that the user uses
non-plaintext. I'd say form feed, all tabs, newlines and such belong to
the same group. But EOF, NULL, BELL and such characters are not plain
text. Though I have to agree that this is still probably - at least
somewhat - matter of taste and opinion. As such, I guess I'll include the
word spoily to the subject field in the future, as well as include the \f
character if I feel like it.
Kieron Dunbar
>KD> know or don't care, I have no way of knowing that someone included ^L
>KD> in a post. As I prefer spoiler space to be in a format which works on
>KD> as many systems as possible, I don't think ^L is appropriate for such
>KD> use.
> Ok. Why do you differentiate between, say \f, \n and \t? I'd say formfeed
> is a character where newline and tab are. But if you insert newlines (you
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by \f, \n and \t, but my point is that, if
characters such as ^M and ^J were faithfully transferred from one computer to
another in that form, they would look a mess on systems which interpret them
in a different way to the system on which the message was originally written.
Because of this, they (or whatever form they travel the Internet in) are
interpreted by the program which outputs them.
As low ASCII characters can be interpreted by some programs to do things
which are worse than putting extra blank lines throughout the file, Pine
deletes the ones it doesn't know how to interpret rather than preserving them
as is.
> somewhat - matter of taste and opinion. As such, I guess I'll include the
> word spoily to the subject field in the future, as well as include the \f
> character if I feel like it.
Yes, that would be preferable.