The Ultimate Music and Sound System
Joshua Jensen
be able to do?
Please, no plugs for other systems... just a frank discussion that
will better the world ... :)
Joshua Jensen
Jonathan Mavor
like in DF. Also support for 3D sound and acceleration if the
card supports it.
> Joshua Jensen
>
L8r,
Jon
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Keith Weiner
JJE...@cc.usu.edu (Joshua Jensen) wrote:
>If you could have the ultimate music and sound system, what would it
>be able to do?
>
>Please, no plugs for other systems... just a frank discussion that
>will better the world ... :)
>
"Interactive music", which is both the ability to control the music based on
what's happening in the game, and to be able to alter the graphics in response
to the music.
"3D localization", which is the ability to place a sound anywhere in 3-space.
Note that this can only be approximated with loudspeakers, but can be done
(with a LOT of DSP) pretty well via headphones.
These are the two big features. Of course, we'll assume fantastic music
quality (ala XG or GS or other proposed extensions to General MIDI), and all
the normal stuff.
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Dudle Eirich
: If you could have the ultimate music and sound system, what would it
: be able to do?
it's own samples unlike MIDIs.... it would have quite a bit of channels,
ah, well, now i'm getting into a real music system, not a game music
system.. anyhow, i really don't like the recent trend of using MIDs in
games, all the samples are the same.. at least on a GUS, i'm sick of
hearing the same samples on descent, doom, heretic, etc.... btw, i don't
see anything wrong with MASI... Jazz Jackrabbit was beautiful sound-wise
(unfortunaly, about the only reason i still have that game around, is
because i can't convert the music into any format usable by something
besides jazz..)
BTW: i don't suppose there's a demo MASI floating around, so i can
see the programming interface? or are you working on a new system now? If
you're working on a new system, please PLEASE don't make it a watcom-only
type thing... some of us still code in 100% ASM under pmode 2.51 and love
it..
[vecna]
James Ojaste
Joshua Jensen <JJE...@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>If you could have the ultimate music and sound system, what would it
>be able to do?
- Support soundcards via plug-in modules (to support new cards etc)
- Available for asm, Watcom, DJGPP etc
- Realtime fades/pans (ie start playing a sample, and some time in the
future be able to move it around)
- Be able to handle CDs (ie start, stop etc)
- Handle "mood" music (ie after every block, the engine would check
some game-set variable that determines the mood for the current
section, and the engine would start playing the next appropriate block)
- Take no cpu time
- Be free
You should be able to handle 1-5 pretty well, but 6-7 might take a while :-).
James
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Easy to implement in my code with a variety of Memory Models
Flawless and fast multiple sound mixing w/o lots of cpu time lost
Easily implemented Midi..
Rich
Kenneth Foo
>be able to do?
>
>will better the world ... :)
I think the ultimate sound/music system should be an expandable one,
so that total rewrites will not be necessary (neither will relearning to
use a new system be a problem). Not tied to any limits, and functions can be
expanded easily by other authors with some relatively 'simple' coding. (eg.
drivers, surround sound functions, iMuse-like systems, whatever)
The ultimate system should also be freely available and widespread in
use.
Oh yeah...most definitely, must be able to handle MOD/S3M/XM, multiple
sound efx, 3D sound...eerrr..or at least, some degree of stereophonic sound,
handles doppler effects (just kidding), and doesn't need headphones/speakers
(another bad joke), connects to the brains through several wires (uh-oh..
I'm losing control ...AGAIN ;-)
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Robin Ward
>be able to do?
>
>Please, no plugs for other systems... just a frank discussion that
>will better the world ... :)
Now that I think about it more, it should be able to work well with
games that use timing mechanisms, and example source code demonstrating
using the system with a game that needs VGA timing at the same time.
It also should be affordable to the everyday person. With DSIK being
only $30, the UMSS shouldn't cost more than $50.
Robin Ward
(Creator of that nasty Outer Ridge setup program!)
Michael Babcock
:>Now that I think about it more, it should be able to work well with
:>games that use timing mechanisms, and example source code demonstrating
:>using the system with a game that needs VGA timing at the same time.
I am in no way affiliated with this product, but I use it in all my
sound-needing programs. It is the best. Get a copy of
> :> VARMINT'S AUDIO TOOLS
> :> VERSION 0.61 (beta)
>
> :> FREEWARE
>
> :> Sound Blaster programming library
> :> Eric Jorgensen 1995
> :> - Ground Up Software -
ftp://mack.rt66.com/users/smeagol/vatpm061.zip
(That's the PM version, get the realmode version in the same
directory).
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phil carlisle
>sound-needing programs. It is the best. Get a copy of
>
>> :> VARMINT'S AUDIO TOOLS
>> :> VERSION 0.61 (beta)
>>
>> :> FREEWARE
>>
>> :> Sound Blaster programming library
>> :> Eric Jorgensen 1995
>> :> - Ground Up Software -
>
Sorry, but its **NOT** the best.. I dont want to say which is the best,
because there are many good libraries out there.. I dare say VAT is good,
but it isnt the best.. sound quality leaves a lot to be desired, so it
gets a poor mark from me.
But whatever butters your muffin..
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Trepalium
>> I am in no way affiliated with this product, but I use it in all my
>>sound-needing programs. It is the best. Get a copy of
>>
>>> :> VARMINT'S AUDIO TOOLS
>>> :> VERSION 0.61 (beta)
>>>
>>> :> FREEWARE
>>>
>>> :> Sound Blaster programming library
>>> :> Eric Jorgensen 1995
>>> :> - Ground Up Software -
>>
>Sorry, but its **NOT** the best.. I dont want to say which is the best,
>because there are many good libraries out there.. I dare say VAT is good,
>but it isnt the best.. sound quality leaves a lot to be desired, so it
>gets a poor mark from me.
>But whatever butters your muffin..
There are some problems with it, but if you are on a budget, this is
probably the highest quality product for the least cost. If you have
thousands of dollars to throw arround, good for you!.
- Trepalium
John C. Lonningdal
: Sorry, but its **NOT** the best.. I dont want to say which is the best,
: because there are many good libraries out there.. I dare say VAT is good,
: but it isnt the best.. sound quality leaves a lot to be desired, so it
: gets a poor mark from me.
I agree. Try out MIDAS 0.4 instead. Much better. SB, MSSS, GUS support.
I've used it in a game I'm submitting to the x2ftp games compo.
Regards,
John
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stuart
lon...@hiMolde.no (John C. Lonningdal) wrote:
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> I agree. Try out MIDAS 0.4 instead. Much better. SB, MSSS, GUS support.
> I've used it in a game I'm submitting to the x2ftp games compo.
>
Since we are chatting about which sound libraries are the best,
does any1 have any comments about HMI's SOS ?
I have been developing with DSIK up to this point, and have found
it has a very low CPU usage, and is a good library.
I have recently received HIM's SOS, but I am a little reluctant to
plunge into it without hearing a bit about it first.
It has a long list of reputable games behind it, incl. Descent,
Command and Conquer, to a new but two.
If you have any gripes, or praise for this software, please let me
know.
regards
Stuart Mackereth
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P Moore906
>probably the highest quality product for the least cost. If you have
>thousands of dollars to throw arround, good for you!.
offers professional MIDI background music with interactive music
capability comprable to iMuse heard in Tie Fighter. It's device
independent and uses drivers, so your program won't be outdated. And,
it's only $25. More than VAT, but a heck of a lot more powerful.
Try it: x2ftp.oulu.fi
Dir: pub/msdos/programming/mxlibs
File: dspi10.zip
Peter
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phil carlisle
lon...@hiMolde.no "John C. Lonningdal" writes:
>phil carlisle (p...@espr.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>
>: Sorry, but its **NOT** the best.. I dont want to say which is the best,
>: because there are many good libraries out there.. I dare say VAT is good,
>: but it isnt the best.. sound quality leaves a lot to be desired, so it
>: gets a poor mark from me.
>
>I agree. Try out MIDAS 0.4 instead. Much better. SB, MSSS, GUS support.
>I've used it in a game I'm submitting to the x2ftp games compo.
>
>Regards,
>John
>
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Yeah, I think midas is a good one, although not really written with the
games market in mind really.. but very good quality on an SB, via the
use of volume ramping.. basically it plays well...
Ok, well... if we're gonna do some recommends??
I use DSIK - under watcom prot mode.. its stable, sounds good, but is not
without problems.. there ARE some bugs with GUS support.. although carlos
probably has them sorted now, and certain S3M files dont sound right, but
thats because its MOD format mixing.. so I cant grumble..
If I were to look on x2ftp I think there are probably what 10 or so sound
systems now?? I dont see why you should get all of em and JUDGE FOR YOURSELF
as its YOU that has the final say.. plus, you really need to HEAR what the
libs sound like compared to each other.. for instance Midas is usually very
clean and loud on my SB1.5, whereas VAT sounds like an old wind up grammophone,
so its horses for courses.. :)))))
Anyways... I love em all :)
phil carlisle
>does any1 have any comments about HMI's SOS ?
>
>I have been developing with DSIK up to this point, and have found
>it has a very low CPU usage, and is a good library.
Well, I hear SOS is ok to develop with... but if youre already using DSIK
and it works well for you, why change????
I guess SOS may have support for more cards maybe.. but thats a side issue
really.. as most of the time SB support (and maybe GUS and AWE) is enough..
Its really a matter of trying it, and seeing which is easiest to use, and
sounds best.. dontcha think???