cribbage controversy
Tina M. Guy
person have to wait for a "15-two" or "31-for-two" or a pair to win?
This has been an ongoing debate in my circle of cribage players for quite
some time, but no one seems to know for sure.
Could someone please tell me the proper rule for this situation?
Otherwise, the game of cribbage, as I know it, may become a means for
violence!!
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Andrew G. Shull
> If your circle of players decide to play differently, that's fine,
> but make sure there is an agreement, otherwise that violence will
> kick in.
Keep one hand close to the cribbage board. Whoever manages to grab
it will have a big advantage. :)
Andy
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michael kelly
tg...@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca (Tina M. Guy) writes:
|> Can a person who is in the 120th hole win the game on a "go" or does that
|> person have to wait for a "15-two" or "31-for-two" or a pair to win?
|>
|> This has been an ongoing debate in my circle of cribage players for quite
|> some time, but no one seems to know for sure.
It sounds as if your cribbage players play some "double-in, double-out"
variety, as in darts. Rather than simply answering "I've never heard of
such a rule", let me say:
1) It seems obvious that the 121st point is no different from any of
the previous points, so it should count.
2) Do you play that the 1st point can be a "go"? If so, the last should
certainly count.
3) Taking the "go" away unfairly penalizes the non-dealer when both
are nearing 121. (The non-dealer can tune his hand to getting "go" points
while the dealer also has the crib)
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Eric G. Scharf
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> Can a person who is in the 120th hole win the game on a "go" or does that
> person have to wait for a "15-two" or "31-for-two" or a pair to win?
There's nothing controversial here; "go" points count just
as much as any other points. All points are created equal, as anyone
who has lost a game on pegging can tell you.
Eric G. Scharf esc...@seattleu.edu http://www.seattleu.edu/~escharf
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Glenn M Gauthier
: Can a person who is in the 120th hole win the game on a "go" or does that
: person have to wait for a "15-two" or "31-for-two" or a pair to win?
: This has been an ongoing debate in my circle of cribage players for quite
: some time, but no one seems to know for sure.
: Could someone please tell me the proper rule for this situation?
: Otherwise, the game of cribbage, as I know it, may become a means for
: violence!!
Tina,
Not only can you win on a Go, but the dealer can win if the opponent
cuts a jack. This is how the American Cribbage Congress plays.
If your circle of players decide to play differently, that's fine,
but make sure there is an agreement, otherwise that violence will
kick in.
Glenn
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Phil Anderson
>Can a person who is in the 120th hole win the game on a "go" or does that
>person have to wait for a "15-two" or "31-for-two" or a pair to win?
My immediate reaction is "Yes, of course." A point is a point.
Why _shouldn't_ someone win on go?
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David Dailey
: tg...@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca writes:
: >Can a person who is in the 120th hole win the game on a "go" or does that
: >person have to wait for a "15-two" or "31-for-two" or a pair to win?
: My immediate reaction is "Yes, of course." A point is a point.
: Why _shouldn't_ someone win on go?
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It's an acknowledged variation that you cannot win on a go from the
"stinkhole." I don't play that way; however, if I'm playing with someone
I don't know, I like to ask. I don't know what the tournament rule is
(the American Cribbage Congress would have a ruling somewhere).
David
Pete Mitchell
michael kelly <mke...@ovid.helios.nd.edu> wrote:
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> tg...@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca (Tina M. Guy) writes:
>
>|> Can a person who is in the 120th hole win the game on a "go" or does that
>|> person have to wait for a "15-two" or "31-for-two" or a pair to win?
>|>
>|> some time, but no one seems to know for sure.
>
>variety, as in darts. Rather than simply answering "I've never heard of
>such a rule", let me say:
>
>1) It seems obvious that the 121st point is no different from any of
>the previous points, so it should count.
>
>2) Do you play that the 1st point can be a "go"? If so, the last should
>certainly count.
>
>3) Taking the "go" away unfairly penalizes the non-dealer when both
>are nearing 121. (The non-dealer can tune his hand to getting "go" points
>while the dealer also has the crib)
I don't believe there are is an official cribbage rule restricting how the
last point is pegged. However, I have played the game with people who
play with some "local rules". As is the case in many games, I don't see
that it is a problem providing everyone understands the restrictions ahead
of time. Though I have never heard of not being able to win on a "go"
(which, I agree, is a disadvantage to the dealer, who is guaranteed at
least one point during pegging), I *have* played where you are not allowed
to win on the cut of a jack. Personally, I don't play that way; why should
luck play any less of a role at the end of the game than any other time?
Either way, it's not worth fighting about; it's a great game regardless.
- Pete
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Joseph Montecalvo
jack which is cut.
Alex Fretwell
just before the skunk hole) and you have the crib. Somebody cuts you
a jack. What happens? The way I play it, is too bad - jacks only
count if you're behind the line (hole 115 or less). What do the
rules say?
This way is neat, especially if the game is close - you don't want
to fight your way to the end and lose on a cut jack. I'd rather dual
it out pegging.
Alex Fretwell
af...@acdsys.ccs.uoguelph.ca
Glenn M Gauthier
: Lets say that you need 2 points to win (you're stuck in the hole
: Alex Fretwell
: af...@acdsys.ccs.uoguelph.ca
Cutting the jack is part of the pegging duel. If the dealer is one or two out
and the pone cuts the jack, the dealer wins; that's the rule the
American Cribbage Congress uses.
I've played two gentleman from England who play that the cut jack can't
win the game for the dealer, so that might be an accepted rule in England.
Glenn
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curt...@rain.org
: Phil Anderson (ha...@sloth.equinox.gen.nz) wrote:
: : tg...@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca writes:
: : >Can a person who is in the 120th hole win the game on a "go" or does
: : >that person have to wait for a "15-two" or "31-for-two" or a pair to
: : >win?
: : My immediate reaction is "Yes, of course." A point is a point.
: : Why _shouldn't_ someone win on go?
: : --
: It's an acknowledged variation that you cannot win on a go from the
: "stinkhole." I don't play that way; however, if I'm playing with someone
: I don't know, I like to ask. I don't know what the tournament rule is
: (the American Cribbage Congress would have a ruling somewhere).
: David
Tournament rules say you may not peg out from within the last five holes.
If you are in hole 118 and get a "15-for-2" you may take the two points
putting you in the 120 hole. If then you get, say 3 for a run you may
not peg those points, thereby winning. If your crib your opponent gets
first count and you may loose.
Life sucks in the stinkhole.
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Curt Wood
and sometimes Kathryn too.
Glenn M Gauthier
: Tournament rules say you may not peg out from within the last five holes.
: If you are in hole 118 and get a "15-for-2" you may take the two points
: putting you in the 120 hole. If then you get, say 3 for a run you may
: not peg those points, thereby winning. If your crib your opponent gets
: first count and you may loose.
: Life sucks in the stinkhole.
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Curt,
The tournaments I have played, albeit only 3, that were sanctioned by
the A.C.C. allow pegging out during play regardless of position.
What tournaments are you playing?
Glenn
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Phil Paxton
>curt...@rain.org wrote:
>: Tournament rules say you may not peg out from within the last five holes.
>: If you are in hole 118 and get a "15-for-2" you may take the two points
>: putting you in the 120 hole. If then you get, say 3 for a run you may
>: not peg those points, thereby winning. If your crib your opponent gets
>: first count and you may loose.
>The tournaments I have played, albeit only 3, that were sanctioned by
>the A.C.C. allow pegging out during play regardless of position.
>What tournaments are you playing?
I, too, was amused to see the stinkhole come up as an "official" rule --
I've always seen it as just a variation. I originally thought about
adding it to the software as a selectable option...but now, I probably won't.
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