Are Dominoes playing cards?
Gumbot
card games. Is it appropriate to discuss dominos here?
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michael kelly
ti...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (Gumbot) writes:
|> It's been my impression that dominos games are very similar to
|> card games. Is it appropriate to discuss dominos here?
Oooh...a tough call. My heart says "yes" but my head says "no." I suppose
we could check the charter...
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Michael Fitz
michael kelly <mke...@ovid.helios.nd.edu> wrote:
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> ti...@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (Gumbot) writes:
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>|> It's been my impression that dominos games are very similar to
>|> card games. Is it appropriate to discuss dominos here?
...or Mah Jong? most tiles are just thick cards.
>
>Oooh...a tough call. My heart says "yes" but my head says "no." I suppose
>we could check the charter...
>
If you strictly interpret the charter, the answer is "no". The charter's
author, showing his extreme desire to exclude trading-card types from this
group, has also implicitly excluded card games such as Pit, Rook, Uno and
Mille Bornes (about which there is a current discussion).
Personally , I wouldn't care if tile games were discussed here. The only
reservation I would have is that the connection between tiles and cards
isn't immediately obvious to everybody.
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J. Andrew Lipscomb
> author, showing his extreme desire to exclude trading-card types from this
> group, has also implicitly excluded card games such as Pit, Rook, Uno and
> Mille Bornes (about which there is a current discussion).
>
> Personally , I wouldn't care if tile games were discussed here. The only
> reservation I would have is that the connection between tiles and cards
> isn't immediately obvious to everybody.
I wrote that charter. While Pit and Mille Bornes do not fall STRICTLY
within it, I would not object to them being discussed here (the same can
be said for Dominoes and Mah Jong, with their obvious relations to Eights
and Rummy).
Rook and Uno are simply special decks for games that can be played with
normal decks, so they are more solidly in.
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Gabriel Velasco
: ...or Mah Jong? most tiles are just thick cards.
Yes. In fact, there is a set of cards for playing Mah Jong. And Mah
Jong is similar to poker.
: Personally , I wouldn't care if tile games were discussed here. The only
: reservation I would have is that the connection between tiles and cards
: isn't immediately obvious to everybody.
Certainly, the connection between Mah Jong and cards is obvious and the
only reason it's not obvious in Dominoes is because each Dominoe
belongs to two suits. It occurs to me that there might be some people
who automatically equate Mah Jong with the stacking game that's popular
on computers. There might be some people that don't realize that it's
actually a very old betting game that plays a lot like poker.
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Michael Fitz
Gabriel Velasco <gvel...@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>Michael Fitz (Mike...@launchpad.unc.edu) wrote:
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>: ...or Mah Jong? most tiles are just thick cards.
>
>Yes. In fact, there is a set of cards for playing Mah Jong. And Mah
>Jong is similar to poker.
Err... Mah Jong is actually similar to gin rummy, with which it may share
a common ancestor.
>
>Certainly, the connection between Mah Jong and cards is obvious and the
>only reason it's not obvious in Dominoes is because each Dominoe
>belongs to two suits. It occurs to me that there might be some people
>[...]
The connections are perhaps obvious to an experienced gamester, but
probably not to the newbie looking for a place to post. But you stray
from the point of this thread. The charter of this group says it's for
discussing games played with "regular" playing cards and their ancestors
and regional variants. The strictness of the language was probably an
attempt to slam the door on trading-card types, but it also implicitly
excludes other games that would not necessarily be unwelcome here. Mille
Bornes is an obvious example; there already is a small discussion ongoing
in the newsgroup. MB cards are definitely not "playing cards" as defined
in the charter, yet I've seen no-one try to run these folks out of the
group like the MtG'ers were.
So the point is, how much slack do you give, and to whom? And how does
one not come off looking like a hypocrite by giving slack to one group and
not another? (I'm assuming here that it's very difficult to amend a
charter one it has been voted on and the group created)
--Mike Fitz
Doug Yanega
(Michael Fitz) wrote:
> So the point is, how much slack do you give, and to whom? And how does
> one not come off looking like a hypocrite by giving slack to one group and
> not another? (I'm assuming here that it's very difficult to amend a
> charter one it has been voted on and the group created)
I think the answer is pretty simple, myself - MtG has *six* newsgroups of
its own, but there is nowhere else in the net hierarchy that is
appropriate for discussion of Mille Bornes, dominoes, or Mah Jongg. If any
of you have ever looked at "rec.games.misc" you'll notice that 99% of that
group's traffic is devoted to *computer* games. I doubt anyone would
consider dominoes or Mah Jongg "board games", either. If not here, then,
where else?? And besides, the gentleman who wrote the charter for r.g.p-c
has already said he doesn't mind. I suspect the creation of a FAQ sheet
could be used to clear up any perceived ambiguities in the charter. Of
course, the first FAQ to be answered should be "Why isn't anyone here
talking about MAGIC?!" ;-)
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Phil Anderson
>
>> ...or Mah Jong? most tiles are just thick cards.
>
>Yes. In fact, there is a set of cards for playing Mah Jong. And Mah
>Jong is similar to poker.
Similar to Rummy perhaps, but not really poker. Mah Jong is all about
trying to "meld" your "cards" and go out, whereupon you get paid
depending on the value of the combinations you made. Poker also involves
combinations of cards and gambling, true, but the approach to both
cardplay and betting is very different.
>It occurs to me that there might be some people
>who automatically equate Mah Jong with the stacking game that's popular
>on computers.
Quite likely - just about every computer "Mah Jong" game I've seen has
been the silly stacking thing :-(
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Jesse J. Steinfort
I was wondering if anyone knew the rules (or where I could get them) to
a domino game called "42". I hear that it is a game like hearts with
tricks to be won.
If anyone knows where I could get any other domino games that would be
great too. I just started playing dominos the first time since being
a kid (for points! never knew about points!) hehe It has been a lot
of fun and I want to know about some more versions of the game!
One last question that I have been asking around for. Does anyone know
what the little brass rivit in the face of some dominoes is for?
Thanks for any info!!!
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Gabriel Velasco
: In article <3o6k27$1d...@bigblue.oit.unc.edu>, Mike...@launchpad.unc.edu
: (Michael Fitz) wrote:
: > So the point is, how much slack do you give, and to whom? And how does
: > one not come off looking like a hypocrite by giving slack to one group and
: > not another? (I'm assuming here that it's very difficult to amend a
: > charter one it has been voted on and the group created)
Yes. That's a good question. The game "Wizard" has bin brought up a
few times both as a separate thread and because of it's similarity to
"Oh Hell." The "Wizard" deck is a regular card deck with 8 extra
cards. So, does that mean we should not talk about Wizard because it
doesn't STRICTLY use a standard deck of cards? The game "Set" has also
been discussed at great length and that doesn't seem to bother anyone.
Also, there are many games that don't use a regular deck of cards, but
are clearly derived from existing card games. I don't think anyone
here would be bothered by talking about those.
: I think the answer is pretty simple, myself - MtG has *six* newsgroups of
: its own, but there is nowhere else in the net hierarchy that is
: appropriate for discussion of Mille Bornes, dominoes, or Mah Jongg.
Exactly. There is no need for trading card traffic on this group when
they have six newsgroups of their own. What it comes down to is that
many of us are not interested in the trading aspect of those games even
though they technically are card games.
: If any
: of you have ever looked at "rec.games.misc" you'll notice that 99% of that
: group's traffic is devoted to *computer* games.
Yup.
: I doubt anyone would
: consider dominoes or Mah Jongg "board games", either.
Although, there was some small amount of card game traffic there. They
don't mind if you post about card games there, but the focus of that
group is generally strategic simulations. Chess, Go, and Backgammon
each have their own newsgroups.
: If not here, then,
: where else?? And besides, the gentleman who wrote the charter for r.g.p-c
: has already said he doesn't mind.
He probably feels exactly the same way we do. We're more interested in
card games that don't focus on the trading aspect. I hesitate to say
"that focus on strategy" because although those are the games I find
more interesting, there are many games worthy of discussion that are
based much more on luck than Magic and others like it. In fact, I find
the play in Magic interesting, but the idea of devoting so much time
and money to develop a good deck really annoys me.
: I suspect the creation of a FAQ sheet
: could be used to clear up any perceived ambiguities in the charter. Of
: course, the first FAQ to be answered should be "Why isn't anyone here
: talking about MAGIC?!" ;-)
Another thing to consider is that although the group does have a
charter and most people eventually learn to post on-topic articles,
unmoderated newsgroups really have a life of their own. Without a
moderator, the only thing to prevent people from posting "Magic"
articles will be the flames they get in response. So, ultimately the
thing that will determine what is appropriate is what we're willing to
put up with. I suspect that most of us are interested in things like
Set, Mahjong, Wizard, Rook, Pit, Phase 10, Not Necessarily Rummy,
Dominoes, Mille Bourne, Nuclear War, etc, etc, etc. which are not
played with regular cards, but have much of the appeal of regular card
games. Some of us might even be interested in a discussing a game like
Peg Poker here which is played with (very special) dice (heaven
forbid!), but has some of the qualities of Poker. (I think. I've
never actually played it, but it seems to be popular with card players
here.)
Maybe we don't need a new charter, just a new name:
rec.games.playing-cards.not-magic.
Mark Jones
In article <3om9dj$b...@deadmin.ucsd.edu>, gvel...@ucsd.edu (Gabriel Velasco) writes:
|> Doug Yanega (dya...@denr1.igis.uiuc.edu) wrote:
|> : In article <3o6k27$1d...@bigblue.oit.unc.edu>, Mike...@launchpad.unc.edu
|> : (Michael Fitz) wrote:
|>
|> : > So the point is, how much slack do you give, and to whom? And how does
|> : > one not come off looking like a hypocrite by giving slack to one group and
|> : > not another? (I'm assuming here that it's very difficult to amend a
|> : > charter one it has been voted on and the group created)
|>
|> Yes. That's a good question. The game "Wizard" has bin brought up a
|> few times both as a separate thread and because of it's similarity to
|> "Oh Hell." The "Wizard" deck is a regular card deck with 8 extra
|> cards. So, does that mean we should not talk about Wizard because it
|> doesn't STRICTLY use a standard deck of cards? The game "Set" has also
|> been discussed at great length and that doesn't seem to bother anyone.
OK, tell me about Wizard. I've neither played it nor
heard of it (as a card game).
*Mark
Jesse J. Steinfort
David Dailey
: I take it no one knows any domino games? :)
Yup. Forty-Two. Domino trick-taking game.
I learned it a couple years ago while living in Texas (in trading for
teaching pinochle) and would love to pick it up again. Hey,
"u.washington.edu"-- toss me a line and let's see if we can get enough
folks together to try it out!
David Dailey
Seattle, WA
Brendan E. Molloy
playing cards. A Chinese set is not quite the same as a western set since
some of the dominos are duplicated.
The game consistes of collecting sets of various kinds and is very similar
to the game played with Chinese money cards. A Chinese money deck consists
of three suits: coins; strings of coins; and thousands of coins. Both
western playing cards and Chinese money cards seem to have a common
origin.
There is no doubt that Chinese money cards are playing cards. Since
Chinese dominos are found in playing card form and the game is similar
then I would contend that Chinese dominos should be considered as playing
cards (or very closely related).
Another game derived from Chinese money cards is Mahjong. This game is
more complex but of the same type as above. I have several different
playing card versions of Mahjong- so I would include this game too.
Playing card collectors should be able to obtain all of the above from
their local Chinatown supermarket or bookshop.
Brendan
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Karen Joanne Simes
>I grew up playing Forty-Two with my family. I agree it is a fun game.
Ksimes from New Mexico
Kit McCormick
: Yup. Forty-Two. Domino trick-taking game.
: I learned it a couple years ago while living in Texas (in trading for
: David Dailey
: Seattle, WA
I learned 42 when I was about 8 years old (I am a native Texan). But alas,
all I can find to play around here is pinochle, hearts, spades, etc. If ever
your in Atlanta and wish to play, look me up (I'm in the phone book).
Kit McCormick
David Dailey
: tricks to be won.
I'll be posting my recollection of the rules as I learned them in the
very near future (I've committed myself to posting them sometime today).
I'll also e-mail you a copy personally.
David
Kit McCormick
: I was wondering if anyone knew the rules (or where I could get them) to
: a domino game called "42". I hear that it is a game like hearts with
: tricks to be won.
It has been a long time since I have been home (Texas), so my memory is
rusty:
42 is played with a double-six set of dominoes. You usually play with
2 teams of 2 players each.
The dominoes are shuffled and "dealt" (each gets own). Each player gets 7.
Each player bids for the privelege of naming trump, starting with the player
on the dealer's immediate left.
Bidding begins at 30, and proceeds in increments of at least 1.
Bidding only goes 1 round.
A hand is worth 42 points total:
3|2 = 5 pts
6|4 = 10 pts
5|5 = 10 pts
4|1 = 5 pts
5|0 = 5 pts
plus 1 pt per trick.
As you can see, only the dominoes which add up to a multiple of 5 are worth
anything.
The double is the highest dominoe in any suit.
The person who takes the bid plays the first dominoe.
Play goes clock-wise.
A dominoe led is suited by its highest value (eg the 2|3 is a "3" when
led).
All players must follow suit. There is no forced cover or trumping
(you can slough).
A trick is taken by the highest dominoe. Tricks are kept face-up on the table
in the order in which they were taken.
If you fail to make your bid, you are set. If you make your bid, your
score is incremented by the points you won in the hand. You must take
the bid or set your opponent to score. I believe we played to 500 pts.
I do not remember how you score a set. I think you get your opponents'
bid.
Finally, some twists:
You can bid 42-high or 42-low, which means you intend to either take all
the tricks (42-high) or lose all tricks (42-low).
If you go low, your partner turns their hand face down on the table.
You can also double-up on a 42 bid by bidding 84 high or low. HOwever,
you only double if somebody else already bid 42. It does not matter if the
previous bid is high or low; once somebody has bid 42, you can increment
the highest bid by 42 points. The highest theoretical bid is 168.
Please follow-up with correction or additions; I want to teach some of my
pinochle friends this game!
Kit McCormick
David Dailey
: Jesse J. Steinfort (je...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
: : Ah, I was hoping someone somewhere in USENET would talk about dominoes!
: : I was wondering if anyone knew the rules (or where I could get them) to
: : a domino game called "42". I hear that it is a game like hearts with
: : tricks to be won.
[[Kit's 42 rules follow]]:
: Please follow-up with correction or additions; I want to teach some of my
: pinochle friends this game!
: Kit McCormick
I also posted a set of these rules a couple days ago; available by e-mail
to anyone interested. They parallel Kit's quite nicely, although I
didn't include mention of the 42-low (also know as "nello" or "nullo")
type of bid.
David
Frederick Dubberley
<Pine.SUN.3.91.950512172543.14603E-100000@dante> Distribution:
I have a regular 42 game going on Thursday nights in Davis, California
(next door to Sacramento). Everyone is welcome - email me for details.
aaron