royal flush rules
Q-DATA-BoxMaster
>As far as i know, a royal flush can be attained with ANY suit, but in the
>case of a tie, there is a set ranking of the suits. I don't know what the
>order is but there is one suit that outranks the others in the case of a
>tie. I've never gotten a royal flush much less seen 2 at once so i've never
>really cared about the order but perhaps someone else knows.
>All i know is in Sheepshead the order is Clubs,Spades,Hearts,Diamonds. :)
>--Mike
>
This is also being discussed on rec.games.trivia. Hopefully it won't
last as long here as it did there. There is NO ranking of suits in
poker UNLESS it's some sort of house rules. There is NO standard.
You mention the ranking as above. Many people would mention the
standard in bridge: Spades, Hearts, Diamonds, Clubs, in descending
order.
Always nice and easy to remember: alphabetical.
BoxMaster
Ed Sayre
: Recently a few friends and I were playing cards and it just happened that
: two of them had "royal flushes" at the same time. One said that a royal
: flush can only ba attained with hearts, while the other said it can be
: any suit. I would appreciate it if anyone can clear this up for us. Thanks
: Steve
The hearts thing might be a house/tourney rule. I dunno, I'm
pretty sure an AKQJ10 of any one suit qualifies, although you can always
name a tie-breaker suit--normally, we just deal a quick sudden-death card
(high one wins).
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Adam R. Wood
: two of them had "royal flushes" at the same time. One said that a royal
: flush can only ba attained with hearts, while the other said it can be
: any suit. I would appreciate it if anyone can clear this up for us. Thanks
There is no suit ranking in poker. A royal flush can occur in any suit. In
the (unlikely unless there are wild cards) event that two people have royal
flushes, they split the pot between them, with an odd unit left for the next
pot.
Adam R. Wood
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Bob Evans
Can I guess what suit he had a royal flush in? <gr>
All a royal flush is is an ace-high straight flush. (Well, maybe
"all" isn't the best word; you don't see them all that often, to
put it mildly.)
Suits don't count in poker. Poker isn't bridge, and clubs are
just as good as hearts or spades.
BTW, either you were playing with a Pinochle deck or the dealer was
a con artist.
----- Bob Evans
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Elsie Lee
>As far as i know, a royal flush can be attained with ANY suit, but in the
>case of a tie, there is a set ranking of the suits. I don't know what the
>order is but there is one suit that outranks the others in the case of a
>tie. I've never gotten a royal flush much less seen 2 at once so i've never
>really cared about the order but perhaps someone else knows.
>All i know is in Sheepshead the order is Clubs,Spades,Hearts,Diamonds. :)
>--Mike
>
Last time I checked, for poker the suits are ranked Spades, Hearts,
Clubs, Diamonds.
Elsie
Paul Hankin
Jeff Goldsmith <je...@gg.caltech.edu> wrote:
>bo...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Michael James Boehm) writes:
>
>>As far as i know, a royal flush can be attained with ANY suit, but in the
>
>
>>case of a tie, there is a set ranking of the suits. I don't know what the
>
> --Jeff
No, they do tie if they are of the same suit. I know you meant this as a
joke, but with enough wild cards you CAN get two royal flushes in the same
suit.
- Paul Hankin (pd...@cus.cam.ac.uk)
stephen mast
> In article <3mutg9$4...@uwm.edu> bo...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Michael James Boehm) writes:
> >As far as i know, a royal flush can be attained with ANY suit, but in the
> >tie. I've never gotten a royal flush much less seen 2 at once so i've never
> >really cared about the order but perhaps someone else knows.
> >All i know is in Sheepshead the order is Clubs,Spades,Hearts,Diamonds. :)
> >--Mike
> >
>
> Last time I checked, for poker the suits are ranked Spades, Hearts,
> Clubs, Diamonds.
>
> Elsie
>
pot. The only differentation is by number not by suit.
Stephen Mast
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: Recently a few friends and I were playing cards and it just happened that
: two of them had "royal flushes" at the same time. One said that a royal
: flush can only ba attained with hearts, while the other said it can be
: any suit. I would appreciate it if anyone can clear this up for us. Thanks
A royal flush may be of any suit. In the excruciatingly rare case of
more than one flush, I believe the suits have an order of precedence, but
I don't remember it. It might actually be a tie.
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Mess with Texas
(Elsie Lee) wrote:
> Last time I checked, for poker the suits are ranked Spades, Hearts,
> Clubs, Diamonds.
>
.. don't know where you checked, because there *are* no suits rank in poker...
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Ed Sayre <ejs...@u.cc.utah.edu> wrote:
>Stephen Yeazel (syea...@news.calvin.edu) wrote:
>: Recently a few friends and I were playing cards and it just happened that
>: two of them had "royal flushes" at the same time. One said that a royal
>: flush can only ba attained with hearts, while the other said it can be
>: any suit. I would appreciate it if anyone can clear this up for us. Thanks
>: Steve
>
>pretty sure an AKQJ10 of any one suit qualifies, although you can always
>name a tie-breaker suit--normally, we just deal a quick sudden-death card
>(high one wins).
Certainly you can have a royal flush in any suit. Ties are broken by
the usual pecking order of suits, namely alphabetical - spades beats
hearts beats diamonds beats clubs.
Joe
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Keith Buell
jl...@agate.cs.Virginia.EDU (Joseph L. Ganley) writes:
> Certainly you can have a royal flush in any suit. Ties are broken by
> the usual pecking order of suits, namely alphabetical - spades beats
> hearts beats diamonds beats clubs.
What game are you talking about? In poker, all suits count equally and
the two with royals should split the pot.
Keith Buell
Stephen Yeazel
as split as the two guys with the royal hands. BTW, we were playing with
2 wilds so it wasnt that unlikly to obtain a royal flush. Maybe the dorm
room we always play in has magical powers, but I have witnessed many
royal flushes there...both by myself and the other guys. Maybe we oughta
take out luck to Vegas :) Thanks again.
Steve
Andrew Laurence
>Stephen Yeazel (syea...@news.calvin.edu) wrote:
>: Recently a few friends and I were playing cards and it just happened that
>: two of them had "royal flushes" at the same time. One said that a royal
>: flush can only ba attained with hearts, while the other said it can be
>: any suit. I would appreciate it if anyone can clear this up for us. Thanks
>: Steve
> The hearts thing might be a house/tourney rule. I dunno, I'm
>pretty sure an AKQJ10 of any one suit qualifies, although you can always
>name a tie-breaker suit--normally, we just deal a quick sudden-death card
>(high one wins).
Come on! What are the odds? My guess would be that the suits rank as in
bridge: from highest to lowest, clubs, diamonds, hearts, spades.
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Kent Parks
: Stephen Yeazel (syea...@news.calvin.edu) wrote:
: : Recently a few friends and I were playing cards and it just happened that
: : two of them had "royal flushes" at the same time. One said that a royal
: : flush can only ba attained with hearts, while the other said it can be
: : any suit. I would appreciate it if anyone can clear this up for us. Thanks
: : Steve
No, a royal flush can be any suit! That's pretty rare that two would
occur in the same hand, but they could split the pot or have a
tiebreaker round--perhaps 'showdown' (all cards dealt face down and
each player turns up cards until s/he can beat the other)...but, I think
that's 'malarkey' about hearts only! I bet the one who said that had
hearts, didn't he? :-)
Kent Parks
Chapel Hill, NC
Kent Parks
>: Come on! What are the odds? My guess would be that the suits rank as in
>: bridge: from highest to lowest, clubs, diamonds, hearts, spades.
Actually, you have them backwards: in bridge (and most 'suit-ranking'
games, clubs are LOWEST, on up to spades. In poker, it is not usual to
have any ranking of suits, although some people DO use it if the hands
are identical in every way, otherwise. Another 'tiebreaker' might be, if
wild cards were used, to grant the win to who ever had the most 'natural'
hand (least number of wild cards).
Kent Parks
Martin A. Mazur
laur...@netcom.com (Andrew Laurence) wrote:
>ejs...@u.cc.utah.edu (Ed Sayre) writes:
>
>>Stephen Yeazel (syea...@news.calvin.edu) wrote:
>>: Recently a few friends and I were playing cards and it just happened that
>>: two of them had "royal flushes" at the same time. One said that a royal
>>: flush can only ba attained with hearts, while the other said it can be
>>: any suit. I would appreciate it if anyone can clear this up for us.
Thanks
>>: Steve
>
>>pretty sure an AKQJ10 of any one suit qualifies, although you can always
>>name a tie-breaker suit--normally, we just deal a quick sudden-death card
>>(high one wins).
>
>bridge: from highest to lowest, clubs, diamonds, hearts, spades.
I can't believe this thread has gone on so long! Stop guessing!!! Don't any of
you idiots have access to a library? Hell, half of you are college students!
Don't they teach you how to use a library before you get there? Or is it too
far accross campus? Do you know where it is? They probably have a cheap Hoyle
at the campus bookstore. After all, most college bookstores these days have
all of the following: (1) Text books for last and next semester's (but not
THIS semester's) courses; (2) Stuffed team mascots, sweatshirts, mugs,
and other assorted souvenirs; (3) Humor and novelty books, including HOYLE!
Cripe, let's fill this group with the rules of some obscure games, like Malay
Yam Torture, or Inquisition, or Jamaican Kaluki, but GO LOOK UP THE #@%$-IN'
RULES OF POKER!
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patrick joseph mcdonough
: No, a royal flush can be any suit! That's pretty rare that two would
with wilds, it is possible. In that case, we usually go to the hadn with
the most naturals. OOther than that, we proceed spades-clubs
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troy trimble
>bo...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Michael James Boehm) writes:
>
>>As far as i know, a royal flush can be attained with ANY suit, but in the
>
>
>>case of a tie, there is a set ranking of the suits. I don't know what the
>
> --Jeff
If you're playing with a single deck, there is no way for there to be more
than one royal flush in the same suit. A royal flush is 10, Jack, Queen,
King, Ace of any one suit.
Later,
TT
troy trimble
>>No. Two royals tie. Unless they are in the same suit...:)
>> --Jeff
>
>If you're playing with a single deck, there is no way for there to be more
>than one royal flush in the same suit. A royal flush is 10, Jack, Queen,
>King, Ace of any one suit.
I forgot about the wild cards. If there's enough of them out there, you
could get two royal flushes in the same suit.
Donald Tsang
Martin A. Mazur <m...@arlvax.arl.psu.edu> wrote:
>I can't believe this thread has gone on so long! Stop guessing!!! Don't any of
>you idiots have access to a library? Hell, half of you are college students!
>They probably have a cheap Hoyle at the campus bookstore.
Hoyle is by far one of the *worst* books for "rules of Poker".
"Scarne on Cards" is somewhat better, but still somewhat flawed. For a
beginner, I'd recommend it, with caveats that some of the assumptions
John Scarne made when he wrote the book just aren't true now, 30-some
years later.
This is the _wrong newsgroup_ for discussing Poker, by the way. That
traffic belongs on rec.gambling (though it could be argued that these
newbie questions are better answered here than in those cold halls...)
Donald
Anjeanette Roberts
issue correctly. The highest card-most natural hand (fewest wild cards)
wins in the case of two royal flushes. e.g. A,K,w,w,10 would beat a
w,K,Q,J,w but a w,K,Q,J,10 would beat them both. As far as I know
official rules there is no suit ranking in poker, but our HOUSE rules
follow spades beats hearts beats diamonds beats clubs ONLY when there are
an equal number and rank of the natural cards. (So really the suit order
doesn't come up that often.)
AJ
Adam R. Wood
: issue correctly. The highest card-most natural hand (fewest wild cards)
: wins in the case of two royal flushes. e.g. A,K,w,w,10 would beat a
This is a house rule as well. Wild cards have no less value than natural
ones - at least, according to Scarne/"Hoyle".
just me
: Ed Sayre (ejs...@u.cc.utah.edu) wrote:
: : Stephen Yeazel (syea...@news.calvin.edu) wrote:
: : : Recently a few friends and I were playing cards and it just happened that
: : : two of them had "royal flushes" at the same time. One said that a royal
: : : flush can only ba attained with hearts, while the other said it can be
: : : any suit. I would appreciate it if anyone can clear this up for us. Thanks
: : : Steve
: No, a royal flush can be any suit! That's pretty rare that two would
: occur in the same hand, but they could split the pot or have a
: tiebreaker round--perhaps 'showdown' (all cards dealt face down and
: each player turns up cards until s/he can beat the other)...but, I think
: that's 'malarkey' about hearts only! I bet the one who said that had
: hearts, didn't he? :-)
: Kent Parks
: Chapel Hill, NC
this is true - royal flushes can be in any suit - but there IS a suit rank...
i believe it is ordered as Spades, Diamonds, Hearts, Clubs... but you'd have
to check the rule books... that's what i remember...
so if there are two royal flushes (which the odds of happening are about
several million against...), there is a SUIT winner...
look it up...
ken
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> this is true - royal flushes can be in any suit - but there IS a suit rank...
> i believe it is ordered as Spades, Diamonds, Hearts, Clubs... but you'd have
> to check the rule books... that's what i remember...
>
> so if there are two royal flushes (which the odds of happening are about
> several million against...), there is a SUIT winner...
>
> look it up...
>
> ken
Didn't have to look it up, knew it already. Suits don't (do not) count in
poker. I can't say it any simpler than that. Now, if your poker group
wants to make a "house" rule that counts the suits, they certainly can, but
it is not in the offical poker rules of Hoyle, Scarne, or any other
respected poker authority. If you think about it, the rank of poker hands
are correlated with the odds of those hands occuring. A royal flush in
Spades occurs with equal probability as a royal flush in Hearts, Diamonds,
or Clubs. So why would one suit be ranked higher? Also, another poster
stated that a royal flush with one wild card was ranked higher than a royal
flush with two wild cards. Again this is a house rule, not an official
poker rule.
If you really can't live with the occurence of two royal flushes splitting
the pot and you insist on ranking suits, the generally accepted suit rank
is Spades, Hearts, Diamonds, Clubs (reverse alphabetical).
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just me
: Didn't have to look it up, knew it already. Suits don't (do not) count in
: poker. I can't say it any simpler than that. Now, if your poker group
: wants to make a "house" rule that counts the suits, they certainly can, but
: it is not in the offical poker rules of Hoyle, Scarne, or any other
: respected poker authority. If you think about it, the rank of poker hands
: are correlated with the odds of those hands occuring. A royal flush in
: Spades occurs with equal probability as a royal flush in Hearts, Diamonds,
: or Clubs. So why would one suit be ranked higher?
just because? as a matter of fact, i've taken a few probablility classes
and know everything you just mentioned... quite understandable... perhaps
i had *thought* someone just happened to have a card preference when
*possibly* making this *official* rule... my error...
: Also, another poster
: stated that a royal flush with one wild card was ranked higher than a royal
: flush with two wild cards. Again this is a house rule, not an official
: poker rule.
i generally don't play with wilds; rather childish for me, but that's just
my own view... sorry to make you type all that up... :) happy dealing!
michael kelly
are not as exotic as "royal flushes" (i.e. two pair) no one ever starts wondering
which of the suits is higher ranked.
(example, two payers both have AA557 -The suits have rank idea would be
pretty silly here)
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Kent Parks (pa...@email.unc.edu) wrote:
: No, a royal flush can be any suit! That's pretty rare that two would
: occur in the same hand, but they could split the pot or have a
As a regular player, this has never happened to me, although in a game
with wilds, it is possible. In that case, we usually go to the hadn with
the most naturals. OOther than that, we proceed spades-clubs
Are you talking Poker here? According to a book I just read on the
history of card games by (I think) David Parlett, royal flushes in
different suits are equal value:
(a) Suits have no relative value in Poker
(b) It's undesirable to have one single possible hand that is absolutely
unbeatable, as that gives an unethical betting advantage to someone
holding that hand. With four equal royal flushes, it's possible that
your opponent will be able to match your hand and then you split the
pot.
Bear in mind I'm only repeating what Parlett says for (b)---I'm not
sure, myself, that it's very convincing since if you hold a royal flush
the betting advantage is darn close to absolute even if it's not
absolutely absolute :-).
Remember the general principle by the way: The hand with the smaller
probability of occurring is the higher-valued hand. Since a royal flush
in clubs has exactly the same probability as a royal flush in spades,
one should not rank higher than the other.
If you add wild cards you change the probabilities, so the relative
values of certain hands change---for example if you add a single wild
Joker to the deck then the highest hand is five Aces (higher than any
royal flush) because there is only one possible way to get that hand.
Mike Downes
m...@math.ams.org